John Florez: Are we losing our moral sense?

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  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 12, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    You mean we had a moral sense once?

    When was that?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 11:15 p.m.

    The Maverick brought out some good points. I will add this caveat. With our young people, which many conservative bloggers regularly rail on for a variety of reasons, might have the best moral compass of any generation. They are much more tolerant and accepting of others than past generations. Most would never consider doing any of those things The Real Maverick talked about. Instead of looking at any generation, but with this generation in particular, as a generation that has lost moral focus, it might be one of the rare generations, maybe the only generation, that actually has one.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 6:32 p.m.

    @J. Thompson -- Where in the world did you ever get the idea that the Catholic church has to pay for abortions? They don't. And they don't have to pay for contraceptives either. IF they operate a business that employs people, they have to provide insurance that pays for contraception. If the church itself employs people it does not have to provide that insurance coverage. Also, I pray and my family prays, but I'm perfectly fine with the fact that they do not have school sponsored prayer. For those who are in the majority religion it works just fine. But what if you lived in the south where your religion was a minority. What if in their prayer some child prayed that all the non-Christian Mormons would convert to the truth? Would you like it then? I prefer each family to teach prayer themselves and not have the schools teach my kids how to pray. And thankfully, no one can stop my kids from praying in school whenever they want to -- silently and personally.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    Did we ever even have a moral sense?

    Even before we became a country we tarred and feathers folks who didn't agree with us. How moral is that?

    Shortly after our country was founded we still continued this practice. We even ran the Mormons out of the country. Assassinated their leader. Tarred and feathered and stole their property.

    We enslaved millions of blacks.

    After that we basically enslaved children and immigrants. If anyone wants to read about Ellis Island you'll read a countless amount of abuses and how women were taken advantage of in order to be allowed into the country.

    If anyone wants to read saddening stories, just read about the Asians who were treated as dogs working on railroads.

    This past century saw the killing off of millions.

    Today, we see folks attacking gays, blacks, Mexicans, religious leaders, etc.

    We clearly didn't have a sense of morality 200 years ago. And we clearly don't have one now.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 4:10 p.m.

    How would people excuse the ban on prayer in school, or the high school student body president whose diploma was "detained" by a former Bingham High School Principle because he prayed at his graduation?

    Somehow, the protestation that government has done no wrong falls on deaf ears when we look at the facts. Government took God out of schools and now government demands that the Catholic Church pay for abortions. It's not a passive thing. Forcing a church to pay for something that they believe is a mortal sin shows that the government has not only stepped all over religion, but that it sees itself as an entity far superior to God.

    Those same people who tell us that God is dead, now tell us that killing the unborn is a "right" that the Catholic Church must pay for.

    How did government become so depraved?

    Governor Romney knows that government has no legal authority to feed the poor or to care for the needy. He knows that that job is to be left to the people and to the churches - that they no longer attend.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    @Mike Richards, the government has never told me not to work and not to believe in God. I've worked since I was 15 years old and I believe in God. I've never had any government official tell me I couldn't. I have met people who get government assistance in my volunteer church work and I've never observed them to be lazy or trying to take something from me, a "rich" person. They are people doing the best they can, usually with limited education and resources. We can look at the poor among us as needy parasites, trying to take all they can get from us OR we can look at them as children of God who need assistance from those of us to whom much has been given.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 11, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Mr. Florez, good question.

    A group of Catholic nuns who launched the Nuns On A Bus tour to shed light on the effects the House Republican budget would have on the poor challenged Mitt Romney to join them for a day to learn about the plight of the poor. In a letter to Romney they stated:

    "We are deeply troubled by your campaign’s recent advertisements and statements about welfare, which we believe demonize the families we serve and reflect a woeful lack of knowledge about the challenges faced by tens of millions of Americans. By accepting our invitation, we hope that you will have the opportunity to see firsthand the struggles of those in need and have the compassion to desist your campaign’s harsh attacks.

    We are all God’s children and equal in God’s eyes. Efforts to divide us by class or score political points at the expense of the most vulnerable of our brothers and sisters reveal the worst side of our country’s politics. Please accept our invitation to witness and to serve."

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Mr. Florez seems to have forgotten that government was instituted to help us be self-reliant by protecting us from other nations - not from ourselves. Since FDR, government has told people to NOT work, to NOT believe in the God who charged us to keep his commandments. Since 1973, the Government has told us that women can destroy that precious life within them if they choose. On August 1st of this year, Obama required CATHOLIC charities to perform abortions and to provide contraceptives.

    50,000,000 babies have been aborted. Does that sound "caring"? Does that sound "compassionate"? Is that something that the Catholic Church and the LDS Church teaches us to do?

    It has been BECAUSE of government that we have lost our nation's morals. It is because of government that mothers can destroy the life within. It is because of government that churches are being forced to provide abortions and contraceptives as part of the government required health-plan.

    Government entices us to be lazy, to life off the dole, to expect some "rich guy" to pay for our mistakes. Christ did not teach those principles. It is not His plan.