Oh and "proud" ute, Mangum and Hill are freshman, brand new to the
program, of course neither has thrown a pass, what a weird assertion by you.
Lark and Munns, both top 20 recruits, are the backups. That is what happens when
you are a school that signs high school all american, top 20 qb recruits just
about every year. You see with the qb position only one guy plays most of the
time. It's kind of like other schools that are noted for signing top talent
at certain positions, a recruit that would be starting at most places never does
at a top school, that is how it is at BYU with qbs. Kids that would start at the
majority of the schools in the nation, like...say...utah for example, are just
backups at BYU because BYU has so many of them. It is a very nice reality. utah
"fans" wouldn't understand.LOL!
Uteology"BTW isn't your 5 star, highly touted, #1 QB now a
"backup" in Kansas?"Nope, not even close... he's a
benchwarmer sitting out a mandatory transfer year.
@proud ute"Give me the experience, grit and class of Jon Hays
anyday."Yea, right. LOL!
@utahcountyute and uteologyThe fact that Heaps, the #1 qb recruit in
the nation, couldn't beat out one of BYU's other recruits, and the
fact heaps transferred and BYU STILL has 4 top 30 qb recruits, including the #2
qb recruit in the nation, on their roster, are just more evidence of how far
beyond utah BYU is in qb recruiting. Oh by the way, BYU's last
2 starting qb's that have run out of eligibility are either now in the NFL,
or else made an NFL roster and started NFL games. Sounds like the NFL does want
them uteology, how embarrassing for you to assert something false about
something so widely known.LOL!
James Lark - top 15 in the nation qb recruitJason Munns - top 20 in the
nation qb recruitTanner Mangum - #2 in the nation qb recruitTaysom
Hill - top 30 in the nation qb recruitWhat the troll did not say
about the cougar clipboard corp: This group has a TOTAL of 9 pass
attempts. Pretty weak prep job there Coach. Mangum won't throw a
pass for 3 years, better not count those chickens yet. Last #2 was a
absymal failure. Was it him or was he mismanaged? Give me the
experience, grit and class of Jon Hays anyday.
@DuckyYes you have highly touted QB's that no one wants,
specially the NFL.The question is why can't your highly touted
QB's beat out a QB that would be a 3rd string QB at Utah State this year if
he had stayed?BTW isn't your 5 star, highly touted, #1 QB now a
"backup" in Kansas?
DuckyYou can keep all your "highly touted" qb recruits. You
didn't mention your most "highly touted" in the last decade though.
I wonder why? Oh that's right he's now the back up at Kansas.
(laughing on the ground)I like our chances this year with Jordan,
Hays and Wilson. Either way, the cougs won't get past the 50.Go
@u90The point, and it is an accurate one, is that utah still does
not have anywhere near the stable of highly touted qb recruits BYU has, it
isn't even close. utah has exactly one top 20 qb recruit on its team while
every qb on BYU's roster (Kuresa is an athlete that has been moved to wr)
is a top 30 recruit including one that is the #2 ranked recruit in the entire
nation. The only exception to that is Nelson who owns just about every qb record
in the Utah high school record books.Now utah "fans" have
tried to claim in this very forum that utah has surpassed BYU at that position
in recruits and tlaent, that is just plain false. utah has very little history
of either recruiting, or developing, top qb's. It is not a destination for
qb's and one off season in which they picked up one decent qb recruit
hasn't changed that reality. While wilson was a borderline top 20 recruit
Mangum was the #2 recruit in the country. Outside of that utah got a walkon and
an unranked qb recruit in hansen. Obviously problem solved. LOL!
mussingaroundThe numbers are completely dominating in BYU's
favor ALL TIME when you consider overall accomplishments on a national scale -
National Championships, Heisman Trophies, Top 25 Finishes, National Individual
Awards, and National College Football Hall of Fame players.Utah has
NOTHING but a bunch of leather era conference championships in conferences the
vast majority of fans have never even heard of and a couple of recent
"perfect storm" breakthroughs.-----------U 90Name ONE Utah accomplishment on a national scale prior to 1962, the year
BYU and Utah helped create the WAC.*crickets*
U 90Pre-WAC - Utah owned BYUWAC/MWC/PAC/Ind - BYU has owned
ULast 6 YearsTop 25 FinishesBYU 5Utah 3Conference ChampionshipsBYU 2Utah 1Head-to-headBYU 3Utah 3OverallBYU 60-18Utah 58-20---------------Last 40 YearsTop 25 FinishesBYU
18Utah 6Conference ChampionshipsBYU 22Utah 5Head-to-headBYU 26Utah 14OverallBYU
349-148-3 (70%)Utah 264-202-3 (57%)---------------Last 50 YearsTop 25 FinishesBYU 18Utah 7Conference ChampionshipsBYU 23Utah 6Head-to-headBYU 29Utah 21OverallBYU 394-204-4 (66%)Utah
313-255-4 (55%)The L6, L40, L50 BYU has owned U.Try to
True Blue, I guess I didn't know that you consider the Latest
20 years, L15, L10, L5 and last year the "leather helmet" era. Try to
Uteology"The incoming 2012 class is Utah's highest ranked
class at Utah. That would explain why Utah now has depth at QB and RB."As usual, you bury your head in stars and completely ignore reality.Utah's top two QB's for 2012 are the SAME as they were for
2011:An injury-prone starter and backup D-II transfer who LOST to
10-loss Colorado.And that doesn't even consider the fact that
the Utes are replacing Chow with BJ, a newbie OC with only a couple of years of
U 90NOBODY except the hill trolls cares about your leather helmet
era head-to-head "domination", because Utah did absolutely NOTHING on a
national scale.BYU has dominated U since Utah's first
appearance in the Top 25.
phoenixGilbert, AZNice sugar-coating Dirk, but what exactly
has changed from last season???-------------The incoming
2012 class is Utah's highest ranked class at Utah. That would explain why
Utah now has depth at QB and RB.From what I read, not including
comments from Utah haters, all indications are Utah is better today than Season
U 90,But BYU's QBs ARE REALLY prolific! Look at the Utah high
school record books, and you will not see Wynn, Hays, Wilson or Schulz anywhere
in there! Yet, it's full of Nelson, Lark and Kuresa! See?! See?!
TrueBlue,Yet Utah STILL owns BYU head to head all time, L10, L5. L1.
For every point you make there is a counter point. So it's a ridiculous
exercise to go back and forth.Again, if you go back and read this
thread the general theme is.... BYU Fan hating on Utah QBs. And my point is
that your own QBs are really not that prolific so why all the hate?
U 90Unfortunately for U, BYU doesn't have to slice and dice
rankings to prove anything to U. The record speaks for itself!Alltime Top 25 FinishesBYU 18Utah 7AP/Coaches1964 Utah UR/141977 BYU 20/161979 BYU
13/121980 BYU 12/121981 BYU 13/111983 BYU 7/71984 BYU
1/1 National Champions1985 BYU 16/171989 BYU 22/181990 BYU
22/171991 BYU 23/231994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/81996 BYU 5/52001 BYU 25/242003 Utah 21/212004 Utah 4/52006 BYU 16/152007 BYU 14/152008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/42009 BYU 12/12, Utah
18/182010 Utah UR/232011 BYU UR/25
@SportsFanAll great points but you forgot one more. Bronco, and BYU,
has more total wins than kyle, and utah as well.LOL!
SportsFan,Anyone can carefully select a statistic and a slice in
time to prove whatever point they want. Watch I can do that too:During the Bronco/Kyle eraTop 2 FinishesBYU 0Utah 1Trips to BCS bowlsBYU 0Utah 1Head to HeadBYU 3Utah 46-6 SeasonsBYU 1Utah 0Bowl WinsBYU 5Utah 6Losses to Utah StateBYU 1Utah 0How about responding to the theme of my posts instead of
getting off point, that is.... BYU's current stable of QBs are no better
than Utahs. So why are all the Y fans hating on Ute QBs? Please don't
tell me Riley Nelson is the next world beater.... like Y fans told us Jake Heaps
Jenny8320 of 36 = 90%Must be the "new" math they
teach on the hill.It's laughable that Utah fans spend so much
time comparing slight differences in BYU and Utah recruiting classes and then
extrapolating that into vast "Utah superiority," yet those same fans
delusionally claim that Utah actually has a chance of challenging USC for the
PAC South.--------------------------U 90BYU
is not only the "better QB program", BYU is also the "better
football program".During the Bronco/Kyle eraTop 25
FinishesBYU 5Utah 3Top 15 FinishesBYU 3Utah
1If you're drinking the red koolaid that one game a season
makes, then, the worst team in the PAC 12, Colorado(3-10), was BETTER than U
Funny how 90% of those posting on this article are byu fans..You guys are truly
Fastcheck "with they lose to BYU" Ok first of all Utah beat BYU by 44
points in Provo last year. Secondly, this year they are playing in Salt Lake
City.. & If you go on Rivals you will see that Utah is ranked 28th in
recruiting for the 2012 class and BYU is ranked at # 61...So why would you be so
royal blue, Utah is no QB factory (neither is BYU anymore). Y fans who mock
Utah's QBs are simply casting stones from their own glass houses.
Utah's QBs have been good enough to own BYU in recent years. If you want
the Y to be awarded "better QB school" you can have it. Most Utah fans
just want to win games and see the program make progress toward another big bowl
(i.e. Fiesta, Sugar). Christy B calls Ute fans "BYU-obsessed
kids on the hill" while 2/3 of the posts on this Utah thread are from BYU
fans. Who is obsessed Christy?
BigCougar: "The answer is a big fat zero."Fact checker:
Brett Ratliff = 1, not zero.
Jordan Wynn is the man. He tore BYU up in his 3 games. Lets look at the facts.
Wynn vs. BYU-He averaged under 200 yards in the 3 games.-3 TDs
and 4 INTs-Replaced by Terrance Cain during one game. -Bad call
(Knee down) or he is 1-2-When they lose to BYU he will be 2-2 (Max was
U 90Historically, here's what Doman/BJ have delivered on the QB
front:Doman has developed THREE NFL QBs, including himself.BJ has developed ZERO NFL QBs, including himself.
Great analysis BigCougar"We weren't real deep,"
Whittingham said. "That happens on occasion."Understatement
of the year by the "genius" coach:Translation:We
have an injury-prone starter coming off of major shoulder surgery, and our only
backups are a D-II transfer and two newbies who absolutely stunk it up in spring
ball.No wonder Chow RAN screaming from his alma mater after only one
season!If Wynn goes down, the Utes are right back in the same
situation they were a year ago, relying on a D-II QB who couldn't even beat
@gdog3finally"However, I believe Jordan Wynn could have a bounce back
year"I actually agree with you. I think Wynn is a gutsy player
and he showed it with all the hard work he put into the weight room in beefing
up to withstand the rigors of playing D-1 QB. He came to Utah as a skinny 160lb
QB and now is over 200lbs. It's not easy for skinny kids to put on weight
so it's a credit to him for the dedication and hard work.If he
can stay healthy he will be somewhere between an average to pretty good QB in
the Pac 12 and that's really all you need.@54-10"....
and still Wynn is 2-0 against the mighty Cougars"Fact Checker:
Wynn lost to BYU in 2009 (Doh!)@JustGordon"just another
example of how the Y has and continues to slip further and further behind the
U"Not even close. Since Whitt is the "genius" at
developing players for the NFL, how many QB's has he developed for the NFL
during his Head Coaching tenure? The answer is a big fat zero. Meanwhile Bronco
has sent 2. Again, Doh!
""We weren't real deep," Whittingham said. "That happens on
occasion."Whittingham explained that recruiting is very
circumstantial in a lot of ways — especially at quarterback, where a
variety of situations often come into play."Does he mean
situations like where the "genius" coach moves all of his QB depth to
other positions without a plan to adequately backfill the position for depth
knowing that you're going to be moving over to the "Conference of
Champions" which is also the "Conference of Quarterbacks" and QB is
the single most important position on the team?Yes those
"circumstances" happen occasionally, especially at a school where the
"genius" Coach apparently thinks DB/LB and WR are more important than QB
and he doesn't have a clue about the QB position because he's never
successfully developed a QB for the NFL.This could be a new bumper
sticker at the UofU:"University of Utah, where good QB's go
to become Linebackers or Wide Recievers"Btw, quick question, did
Chase Hansen get hurt before Whitt could move him to Linebacker or was it after?
U 90Utah's QBs have historically delivered only SIX conference
championships in the last 60 years, only ONE conference championship during the
Bronco/Kyle era, which SHOULD be Utah's PRIMARY goal according to all of
the "conference of champions" chest beating we've heard from the
hill crowd since Utah got its golden ticket to the PAC.Despite all
of the talk, it's obvious that the primary goal for the Utes is, and always
will be, beating BYU. A losing 4-5 PAC record in 2011 is totally irrelevant to
the BYU-obsessed kids on the hill.
So much mud coming from the blue folks. Utah's QB's have historically
delivered 54-10, 7 of 10 and 2 undefeated BCS bowl seasons. Yet ducky, sammyg
and company are throwing stones from their glass houses. And then we
have Uteanymous, the BYU fan trolling a Utah article calling Ute fans
obsessed??? Duckhunter please sound your hypocrisy alarm.
@sammygYou are insulting the single greatest football mind ever to
exist, kyle whittingham. Shame on you.Of course a football mind that
great could immediately change utah's qb woes, how could anyone believe
otherwise? I mean look at all of the great qb's utah has had under
whittingham, there's.....well there's......well there isn't
anyone but that doesn't mean anything.Whittingham decided after
last year that utah would "have the best qb situation in the nation"
just like he proclaimed they had back in 2006 and he went out and got a walkon,
a guy unranked as a qb recruit and one actual qb recruit, to ad to the two
extremely mediocre qb's they already have. If that isn't fixing the
problem then I don't know what is.Seriously utah is now the
dominant school at that position in this state and probalby the pac12. Heck they
may even have, as whittingham has proclaimed before, "the best qb situation
in the entire nation". Don't doubt him, his qb track record
@gonefishnwynn certainly did not "light up" BYU. Any honest
evaluation of that game does not include wyn "lighting up" anything.
BYU's problems were not of wynn's making. Hilarious that you would try
to pretend that was it though, kind of insulting to the utah defense and john
white who actually were the ones that did the damage.
@JustGordon, you think independence was a mistake? It was one of only two
options they had. Would you have chosen to stay in the Mountain West? I think
Independence was a much better choice.@GoGetter, the PAC is the 4th
best conference right now. Be honest, Utah has a long way to go to be
"feared" in the PAC@Sammyg, Wynn had some nice throws that
the BYU DB's played poorly. He didn't tear BYU apart but he did a
nice job of taking advantage as they crumbled. Ute fans only have 5 more weeks
to rub it in. They're doing a good job so far of keeping it going.
54-IQGotta love complete and total obsession of the kids on the hill
with BYU - how Utah's QBs match up with teams in the PAC is totally
irrelevant; how Utah's QB match up with BYU is the ONLY thing that matters
to them.Of course, the glaring oversight in your analysis - Wynn
hasn't gone head-to-head with Riley..
gonfishn7 fumbles lit up the score board, Wynn had little to do with
it.The Ute QB situation is really little different than what it was
last year. Hays has some valuable experience and Wynn is returning again after
surgery. Wynn has gained a few pounds, so what. The barometric
pressure in RES will set new low records when the collective gasps and wonders
if he gets up unscathed. Terrible to put that much pressure on the O line and
everyone around him. Who will have time to execute the plays?Not an
ideal situation but if you want to call it a significant improvement by all
means go with it.It might take a season for the Ute staff to figure
out these QB things. Who would have thought that Whit and company could have
forgotten that a team needs a couple of QBs in the stable? No wonder
Chow left for Hawaii.
DuckhunterHighland, UT.... and still Wynn is 2-0 against the
mighty Cougars and last year they quit.But you wouldn't know
that seeing as you were in Tulsa.
Duckhunter"Wynn is stil Wynn" you are correct, he lit byu up last
year and is 2-1 soon to be 3-1 against BYU. You tout the qb's on the
y's roster but Who cares when you start Riley Nelson.
@justgordonIf we want to just go off of the one criteria every utah
"fan" claims to be more important than any other at judging talent to
decide which school has the corner on qb's then lets just examine what BYU
currently has on their roster.James Lark - top 15 in the nation qb
recruitJason Munns - top 20 in the nation qb recruitTanner Mangum -
#2 in the nation qb recruitTaysom Hill - top 30 in the nation qb
recruitOf course those don't include the actual sr starter
Riley Nelson who is vastly superior to any qb utah currently has and holds just
about every single hs qb record for the state of Utah.I love it when
utah "fans" just say stuff with no facts to back them up.LOL!
So what really makes this years qb situation for utah better? Is it that there
are more qb's? They are already down one as Hansen is done for the year.
hays is still hays. wynn is still wynn. Both of them were part of last years
abysmal situation. Now you would hope both would be one year better but
considering they really weren't any good to begin with they would have to
be massively better just to be ok.They have a couple of freshman,
one is a walk on which means no one thought he was scholarship worthy, the other
has some accolades but considering he is behind the 2 mediocre qb's from
last year it would appear he has a ways to go.The attempt to try and
make it appear that this means 'problem solved' for utah at the qb
position is laugh out loud hilarious. These guys never have known how to develop
qb's, just gettng a few more warm bodies on board sure doesn't change
that and definately doesn't make the position a strength.LOL!
It's gonna be a great season. GO UTES!! Time to make your presence not only
recognized, but feared in the PAC!
Whitt is trying to sell the QB corps, but nobody is buying it on their own.
Like others have mentioned, this year's group is really no better than the
situation last year. It is unlikely that Wynn will play much of the Pac-12
season. Once injured, chance for re-injury goes way up. I don't think they
story is going to be any different than last year's. About a third of the
way in, Hayes will pick up as QB and do his best to run the John White offense.
It just isn't going to fool anybody this year. I don't see the Utes
making it much further than .500 this year.
I remember sitting in the Coliseum and hearing numerous USC fans around me
commenting on what a terrific qb Jordan Wynn (sore arm and all) was. He matched
Matt Barkley series for series throughout that game. I personally think that
Whitt and many Ute fans are underplaying what could be an amazing final two
years from this guy. He was tough as nails his freshman season and destroyed BYU
on the road last year. He was fragile and because he was a gamer, went down. It
happens. This guy has two seasons, a ton of talent and running backs who know
how to pick up the blitz and bash into the line as well. He will be fine and
more. Perhaps much more.
Nice sugar-coating Dirk, but what exactly has changed from last season???Wynn is still an injury-prone starter.Hays is still a D-II
transfer who couldn't even beat Colorado.Hansen won't play
until 2015, and will probably be switched to defense when he does.Wilson is a Freshman with ZERO experience.Schulz is a
"developing" walk-on with ZERO experience.WHEN Wynn goes
down, which is practically a given, the Utes are left with Hays, who lost to
four of eight PAC opponents, and two newbies, with no experience.
nice tatts........such huge arms. wow
@BYU Alum Quarterback U is no longer Quarterback U...just another example of
how the Y has and continues to slip further and further behind the U.
Independence will be the single biggest mistake in Y Football in this century.
@Black&BlueYes breaking in two new tackles has me concerned.
However, I believe Jordan Wynn could have a bounce back year. His arm strength
has returned, which he hasn't had since his freshman season. As for his
pocket presence, I thought Wynn had some poise in the pocket before he started
getting hurt. If he can regain the confidence to stand in the pocket (big if)
then I really am optimistic. I also worry about growing pains with
Brian Johnson at OC. I like Brian and do think he will be a good OC. I just
don't know if it's this season.
QB is by far Utah's weakest position on the team. You have Wynn,
who crumbles in big game situations, extremely fragile, and has no pocket
presence or scrambling ability whatsoever. Hayes, who has a lot of heart, but
sub par talent as a Qb. And 3 completely inecperienced back-ups, one of which
might never actually even play Qb. Utah was ranked #99 last year in passing,
and I don't see that changing. With Utah breaking in both tackles, Wynn
will not make it through October. Luckily a strong RB corps and a tough defense
will spare you embarrassing blowouts.
They absolutely must improve on last year's 5 loss season. They should.
Schulz is from Wisconsin, not Michigan, Dirk.
From what I'm hearing from within the utes, Whitt is not revealing the
whole story...this is shaping up to be a great ute team and season, but like
usual the utes are waiting to prove it on the field.
Very excited to see improved play. This offense could be VERY good if we can
@ BYUalumNobody made you read it.....
@BYUalumRE: "Yawn........"_____Are you and
your favorite team STILL asleep? I'd have thought 54-10 would've woke
a few people up. It's all good, sweet dreams cougar fan ... sweet dreams.