George F. Will: In the company of Madison: Protecting the Constitution

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  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    To procuradorfiscal 8:30 a.m. Aug. 3, 2012

    I'm curious. The Ninth Amendment to the US Constitution states that there are rights, not enumerated in the Contitution, which are protected by the Constitution (quoting the Ninth Amendment -- "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."). What do you think they are?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Re: "Can you please get it through your head that people are politically liberal because they >LOVE< the constitution?"


    It's just disingenuous liberal hype, to suggest that the "government is responsible for enforcing _all_ of the Bill of Rights," then use liberal code for abortion as one of those important rights.

    As anyone who has ever read the Constitution can attest, it contains no stated or implied right to abortion. Corrupt liberal judges just dreamed it up.

    First, they dreamed up a concept of "substantive due process" under 14th Amendment [not part of the Bill of Rights, BTW]. Then they dreamed up a "right of privacy" under that dreamed up concept. Finally, they dreamed up a "penumbra" of that dreamed-up privacy right, under which they "discovered" an hitherto hidden right to abortion.

    Ingenious, but disingenuous.

    Liberals know Americans don't support their deranged socialist agenda, so they dreamed up a phony Constitution that can be bent, on demand, to permit rule of men, not of law.

    That's the one they love.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    To "Blue" you are wrong on every point that you have made.

    The GOP is trying to prevent voter fraud. I pointed out a couple of days ago that in Colorado there were 5000 votes cast by illegal immigrants. In various other states there are many cases of voting fraud going on. Why is it that the DNC wants to maintain laws that allow voter fraud to be so easy?

    You are wrong again on the bill of rights. The liberals want to bill of rights to say what you can do, not what the government can't to. Remember the liberal Judge who told Egypt to look at the South Africa constitution for inspiration. The South Africa constitution states what people can do, not what the government can't do.

    If liberals wanted to protect and apply the rights consistently, why have they set up so many different classes of people? They treat blacks one way, hispanics another, women another, the rich another, gays get special treatment.

    As for womens rights to control her own body. That is a lie. Ask women in NY if they can buy a 64 oz drink, saturated fat, and salty foods.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    procuradorfiscal: "Spoken like a true Constitution-hating liberal."

    Can you please get it through your head that people are politically liberal because they >LOVE< the constitution?

    You need to understand that there are plenty of intelligent, constitutionally literate Americans who look at the GOP's blatant attempts to repress voters, force fundamentalist religion into our science classrooms, deny women control over their own bodies, exploit public resources for personal profit and create sub-classes of citizenship based on sexual orientation and say, "That's unconstitutional."

    It is precisely because I have carefully studied and revere the constitution that speak up and point out that conservative ideology is throwing acid on the Bill of Rights.

    And JThompson - yes, I am a citizen protected by the Bill of Rights, just like you. The difference is I expect those protections to apply to all of us, equally and consistently. Nowhere have I ever said the government distributes rights.

    The government is responsible for enforcing _all_ of the Bill of Rights - including those aspects, like a woman's right to control her own body, that conservatives don't like.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 2:04 p.m.


    Step back and think what you're saying. You seem to forget that YOU are one of the people who is protected by the Constitution. You pretend that somehow the government has gained the right to distribute RIGHTS to the people. Who gave them that authority? I didn't. You didn't. Not one citizen in America gave them that authority. We have a binding contract that protects OUR interests from the government - and from those citizens who know so little about the Constitution and its origin that they suppose that they can get "favors" from the government.

    We, the People, hold all power. We hold all rights. We hold all authority.

    Obama is authorized to do ONLY what we have told him he can do in that contract.

    Congress is authorized to do ONLY what we have told it to do in that contract.

    The Court is obligated to rule on the Constitutionality of any law based ONLY on that contract and not by another court's "precedent".

    When citizens abandon their responsibility to personally protect the Constitution, they have become pawns of the government to be used and abused by those in power.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    Re: "Feel better now? Your rants . . . does [sic] not offer . . . effective response to the many challenges this nation faces."

    Spoken like a true Constitution-hating liberal.

    And, yes, I do feel better.

    The Nation WAS saved in 1912 from liberals like Blue, plaintively demanding "solutions," to imaginary problems to justify scrapping the Constitution, returning America to the rule of men, not law.

    Today's primary challenge is leftist reactionaries, bent on returning America to pre-George III liberalism, where every decision -- what we study and believe, where we live and work, what we consume, how much income is too much -- is made for us by our liberal "betters."

    Reality today? Women, who want to, prevent or terminate pregnancies; Deficits are spending, not revenue issues; Sick kids are treated; Jobs destroyed by deranged liberal spending, are created by conservative fiscal responsibility; Infrastructure is best planned, built, and paid for by users, not federal bureaucrats; and Tax cuts are always good.

    As in 1912, the real crisis is liberals creating crises to justify their cynical, political hustle.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    To "Moderate" you have that backwards. The European Union sacrificed the strength of the individual nations to give power to the EU. Just look at Ireland. Much of the financial problems stem from the EU controlling monetary policies. Had they been able to control it themselves, they would have been able to raise interest rates and could have prevented their problems

    The thing that you and your ilk fail to recognize is the simple fact that it was the lack of the massive government control that helped the US build up and become a strong nation. For the first 150 year the US had a relatively weak central government, and they prospered. Since then, we have had more power given to the central government, and things are getting worse, not better.

    Just look at Europe, their collectivism has connected them together in such a way that if one falls, it pulls all of them down at the same time. In the US, we used to be set up in such a way that one could fall, and the others would remain standing while lifting up the fallen.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    JThompson: "Today they mock Mr. Will. Today they mock the People."

    No, Mr. Thompson, we are, with substantial justification, mocking self-righteous and willfully ignorant blowhards who think that screaming about "elitists" constitutes meaningful dialog, and that evidence-based realities that contradict personal beliefs can be treated as though they don't exist.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    How little respect the left shows to the people of America. They forget that the PEOPLE wrote the Constitution. They forget that the Constitution limits government and that government cannot limit people. The forget that the PEOPLE told all three branches of government, the President, Congress and the Court, that the Constitution was the Supreme Law of the Land and that neither the President, nor Congress, nor the Court could legislate, enforce or rule that any law could exceeded the limits prescribed by the People.

    They use the argument that Presidents, Congresses and Courts have freely violated the Constitution in the past; therefore, they tell us, the Constitution is irrelevant.

    They learned in Texas that the Constitution is NOT irrelevant. They learned yesterday, all across America in Chick-fil-A restaurants, that the Constitution is NOT irrelevant. They will learn for themselves in November that the PEOPLE will no longer permit them to ignore the Constitution.

    Today they mock Mr. Will. Today they mock the People. In November, when the PEOPLE fire the President and liberal members of Congress, they will realize just how far they have drifted from Constitutional principles.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 11:43 a.m.


    Wow that was quite a rant. Feel better now?

    When you catch your breath maybe you could explain how attempting to push America back to the 19th century is good for our country?

    Why the Tea Party fixation on denying women the right to determine whether or not they get pregnant?

    If the Tea Party is so concerned with the deficit, why do their spending priorities include tax cuts for millionaires that, according to the Congressional Budget Office, would instead balloon the deficit?

    What's the Tea Party plan for dealing with families with sick children being denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions?

    What's the Tea Party's jobs plan?

    What's the Tea Party's infrastructure plan?

    If tax cuts are good for the economy, then why was the economy thriving with much higher Reagan-era taxes, but tanking under the Bush tax cuts?

    Your rants against "leftists" does not offer any useful insights to what you think would be an effective response to the many challenges this nation faces.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    It's a rarity that any nation retains its conservative heritage over any extended period of time. History has shown us that, without exception, democratic nations tend to expand the power of their national government as they age. The US is no exception, and is in fact a shining example of that phenomenon. The transition from the Articles of Confederation to the US Constitution was part of that trend. Today, the Constitution is a very different document from what it was originally in spirit if not in word.

    For that reason, I consider the Constitution to be a relic that has little relevance to our lives today. The collusion of courts, legislatures and executive offices have rendered it to be nothing more than something to refer to when it suits politicians' purposes and to ignore when it doesn't. Discussions like this are just so much wasted energy.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    Re: "Tea Partiers . . . are blind to the fact that rigid, strident ideologues make terrible legislators."

    By "rigid, strident, ideologue," liberals mean, of course, someone who understands and plays by the rules that made the United States great.

    They appear to prefer a new, untouchable American nobility, composed of corrupt elitists whose highest moral imperative is their next re-election bid.

    It's "rigid, strident, ideologues" -- like George Washington, who refused royal powers because he actually believed in the Constitution -- that have a chance to save our Nation.

    NOT a leftist amen-chorus of snide, sophomoric, true believers, beholden, because of trade-union, academic, or other selfish rice-bowel issues, to a rigid and destructive anti-American orthodoxy.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    The Tea Partiers seem set on establishing strong individual states at the expense of the nation. What does that remind me of? Oh yes. The European Union. How is that working out?

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Emajor, it's not just you.

    Will has tilted so far to the right in the last five years that he's pretty much fallen down.

    Tea Partiers chase their tails (spinning ever-tighter and faster to the right, of course) so enthusiastically that while they celebrate their successes with candidates like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee they are blind to the fact that rigid, strident ideologues make terrible legislators.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    These tea party guys want to defend the Constitution as interpreted by them, not as interpreted by the courts which were set up to do just that under the Constitution. Ironic, and huh?

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 5:58 a.m.

    Is it just me, or has George Will veered far to the right in the last few years? I used to read his column sporadically, it was a balanced and well written advocacy of moderate conservatism. But lately he is coming off as a disgruntled and dyspeptic sore loser. He is still well read and knowledgeable, but I can't shake the feeling that now he is being very selective in his arguments, using only facts that support his thesis while intentionally ignoring those that do not.