Patrons cite religious freedom, First Amendment at Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day

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  • Mister J SLC, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    per Mike Richards (8/1 5:15 p.m)

    So? Freedom tastes like chicken?

    If I want substandard poultry I go to KFC.

    The aforementioned establishment no longer offers Potato Salad as a side. That, if anything, is worthy of a protest.

    per Rifleman (8:02 a.m. Aug. 2, 2012)

    "The liberals would like to tinker with the 1st Amendment like Chicago does with the 2nd Amendment. Isn't that the city where Obama got his education."

    Obama is Ivy league educated just like Mitt, Clinton, & the Bushes.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    As I said elsewhere... "Who really cares about the protest or the owners cause? The food isn't that good and that is what matters."

    re: Screwdriver 9:05 a.m. Aug. 2, 2012

    Thats funny! But, would it you like it a family values combo meal...loaded w/ trans fats, sugar, cholesterol?

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    Sorry that first sentence should read, "So by George using his free speech to protest what Cathy said he is anti free speech?" yes I do see the irony of the next sentence. sometimes my brain likes to get laughs at my expense.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    @ute alumni

    So by George using his free speech to protest what Cahty said makes he is anti free speech? how does that even begin to make sense? Georges protest in no way would interfere with Cathy's ability to continue to speak out and your claims otherwise are nothing but a sad attempt to deflect counter arguments against what you know is an untenable position.

  • Mr.Glass Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    What if a CEO of a corporation said he does not believe black and white people should marry each other? Would you still say the mayors were attacking the CEO's first amendment rights?

    I think it's worth mentioning that the definition of traditional marriage changes over the time. It was not long ago, for example, that traditional marriage was defined as marriage between a man and woman of the same race. It used to be the case that traditional marriage defined women as property, and of course traditional marriage used to permit one man marrying more than one woman.

    At any rate, we are not a theocracy. If your religion tells you that marriage is only between a man and woman, that's is your right to believe it, but it is not your right to impose your beliefs on others who believe same sex marriage should take place.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    No one's freedom of religion or speech was violated. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism. People chose not to buy their food because of what they said. People chose to disagree publicly with their founder which they are also free to do.

    No one prevented you from buying your sandwich. ChikfilA made lots of money. Good for them.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    hustle to the kiss in. it is obvious that you side with anti free speech.

  • mcdugall Layton, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    @ute alumni

    Brookline, MA where Barney Frank lives has no Mayor. Mayor Menino is the Mayor of Boston, MA.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 2, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    We have the most generous government in history, and now every group of people are trying to find entitlements, by playing the bigot card.

    This is all about qualifying for some kind of handout, not the unfairness of marriage.

    Wish I'm wrong, but we're transforming into a nation of beggars, and whiners. Just immature, and pathetic.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    @L white

    your right the article is about chick fil a and Mike attempted to falsely tie Obama to the controversy, kind of the definition of bearing false witness.

    Cathy was attacked by two mayors, hardly the same as "our government" Do you have and evidence to support your assertions that Obama had anything to do with the mayors comments or are you also going to bear false witness? Making false and unsupported accusations falls well outside Christian values that you claim to be supporting.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Aug. 2, 2012 6:14 p.m.

    @l whit
    @L White
    your right this article is about the two mayor inappropriate use of their postiton to speak out
    against chick fil Obama. However, President Obama and Senator Reid had nothing to do with this incident. If you, j and mike bring them into the conversation in what is clearly an attempt to link them to this situation then other also have the right to respond to those statements including pointing out that you maybe bearing false witness.

    Let me be clear, I absolutely agree that these two mayors where wrong to have acted the way they did. I also think if you look back at this and other threads on chck fil a you will plainly see that no one is defending what these two mayors did, they clearly where out of bounds.If you look outside the DN you will also see the ACLU came to chickfils defense.

    As a side note claiming that free speech is absolute is a bit of an extreme statement. People do not have the right to use free speech to yell fire in a crowded theater or threaten to murder or harm others for instance.

  • Leesha Kearns, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    If it is a meaningless fight that is going nowhere, as you suggest, then it shouldn't matter where you eat, and what statement you might be making by eating there.
    To me, Chick-Fil-a rocks!

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    Mike, nobody has denied Cathy anything nor censored him. When a permit is actually denied then you can make that argument. Try to not false witness.

    Mayors can have all the opinions they want, they can even say it out loud.

    Again, when they actually deny Chick-fil-a a permit, they will loose in court withing a few days because nobody backs them in doing it.

    Why don't you join liberals in supporting Muslim Mosques getting thier permits? No, I don't agree with a lot of Muslim stances on things - but that's no reason to deny them equal rights.

    I don't agree with the mega-church down the street. Did I seek to deny them a building permit? No.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    Mr. George,

    The article is about Chick-fil-A and free speech, not about posters or the way that they choose to worship.

    Mr. Cathy was attacked by our government and threatened by Rahm Emanuel, who is Mr. Obama's former Chief of Staff. You can bet that a Chicago Politician would talk to the Chicago Politician sitting in the White House before broadcast his hatred of free speech to the nation.

    And, look at the remarks by Mr. Reid who told us that Mr. Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years. Is that not an attack on Mr. Romney? Reid demands that Romney bow down before him and prove that he paid taxes. Isn't Mr. Reid using the power of his Senate position against the private citizen who will be sitting in the White House after November's election?

    That's what this attack on Mr. Cathy is all about. Those attacks from people who hold offices in government are using the authority of their office to intimidate, to harass, to threaten anyone who does not fall into line behind them.

    This is a black or white issue. Free speech is an absolute.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Aug. 2, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    @j thomas

    Actually Mike I think it is pretty clear that you have attempted to bring in outside arguments to try to justify your false witness against Obama rather then admit he had nothing to do with chick fil a. As to not allowing someone to respond trying to play the victim when no one has told you that you do not have the right to respond is a poor counterargument meant to deflect criticism.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Aug. 2, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    @Mike Richards

    My I suggest humility instead of false pride and more false witness. Maybe it is best to turn your gaze inward and then to God.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 4:21 p.m.


    Are you claiming that when someone is accused of "bearing false witness", that he cannot respond? Are you claiming that Obama does not use the same tactics as those three mayors? Are you claiming that unless Obama specifically said something publicly about Mr. Cathy that nothing else that Obama has said or written or signed that limits the freedom to speak out against the government should be used as a source to substantiate a claim that Obama has and does suppress free speech?

    Isn't this what this whole argument is about? Isn't the right of every citizen in this country to be free to express his views on ANY subject without fear of government sanctions or threats the root of this discussion?

    My. Cathy stated his personal opinion on marriage. Three mayors used the power of their offices to censor him and to threaten him.

    Pretending that Obama does not use those same tactics when you can EASILY find proof that he does IS germane to this topic.

    Government is PROHIBITED from doing what it is doing. Some people think that Mr. Cathy should only say things that please them. They don't understand America.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    @mike richards

    From reading your post I would think it is safe to assume that the reason the DN denied your comment was because it was off topic. What do any of your claims have to do with this incident with chick fil a?

    To claim Obama approved because he did not say anything would mean that any public official that did not make a public pronouncement against these two mayors also approved of it and as far as I know few if any public office holders did. Are you really saying most if not all republican office holders agreed with these two mayors actions?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 3:26 p.m.


    You're going to have to do your own homework about Obama. The Deseret News denied my comment about Obama's usurpation of free speech. I did not use a URL. I cited the date of the Executive Order and I used direct attribution of the quotes. Whatever rule I broke is unclear, but the information you want is easily found.

    You should also read the Senate bill where Hatch gave the President power to lock anyone up for any length of time without giving them access to an attorney or ever taking them to trial. Obama signed that bill. Article 1, Section 9 only extends that power "in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion".

    Mr. Cathy used his free speech rights. Government officials used their offices to squelch him. They used non-existent authority to intimidate and to threaten. Rahn Emanuel was both student and teacher to Obama. Both he and Obama fully believe in "Chicago style" politics - no matter what they say. Emanuel proved it in his speech against Mr. Cathy.

    Obama approved it by remaining silent.

  • milhouse Atlanta, GA
    Aug. 2, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    Now I feel that I cannot eat at Chick-fil-A, or avoid doing so, without making a political statement. Can't a man get a chicken sandwich without taking sides in a meaningless mudfight?

    I say meaningless because CfA isn't actually discriminating against employees or customers, and because no city would be able to succeed in preventing the entry of CfA while simultaneously permitting KFC, McD's or any other purveyor of greasy food. No one is going to succeed in taking away CfA's "right" to say whatever they want, even if they are hateful/bigoted. If they start firing gay employees or refusing to serve gay customers, then we have a legal problem. Until then, those who disagree can eat elsewhere. I can't believe this had a shelf life of more than twenty minutes.

    But living in Atlanta, I can no longer just go eat. If I eat at CfA, I will be making a statement that I'm not comfortable making. If I go somewhere else, same story. Maybe I'll lose a couple of pounds through eating at home.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 2:42 p.m.


    I think maybe you need to reread my post I did not use the term "wing nut" but thanks. Intentionally misrepresenting what other say and do seems be becoming a habit for some on these threads.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    You can get a pro-free-speech sandwich anywhere. I doubt that conservatives are really thinking of that when they drive 45 min and wait in line for 2 hours.

    It's what Chick-fil-a is saying that they like isn't it.

    So it's not a free speech sandwich is it?

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    GLAAD Kiss-in-Day at Chick-fil-a??? Not in the store, dudes. It's their property and if they want to kick you to the curb, that's their right. Your right is to shop there or not, not disturb this business and disturb the people choosing to eat there.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    @mike richards
    @mike Richards So what exactly do you hope to accomplish by falsely lumping Obama in with the mayors? Do you really think such false assertions paint your arguments in a more positive light? The mayors where wrong to attempt to use their office the way they did but it does not justify you bearing false witness against Obama.

  • Leesha Kearns, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    We do most definitely do support traditional marriage. But my family's interest in eating at Chick-fil-a was mostly in support of the right of a person or business to express their opinion, and the right to have government not involved in that. Government as overstepped it's boundaries so much, in so many places, it's hard to know what to do, except get out and vote conservative in November. It was nice to go to Chick-fil-a yesterday to support this, and see so many others doing the same. The lines were very long. All were polite, all were patient.
    It makes me smile when I see some posts, I am thinking mainly of some from the Washington Post, but has been turned up here as well, that have turned this into an argument bashing people for eating fast food. Oh wait. Now I remember. Liberals are the ones who were limiting the soda intake in New York.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    The good people of America quietly gathered in Chick-fil-A restaurants all over America to show Mr. Cathy that they support his right to speak freely about his personal beliefs without government officials threatening him or his business ventures.

    The good people of America silently sent a message to Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Edwin M. Lee, and Thomas Menino that they would NOT allow them or any other official to misuse the authority of government office.

    The good people of America showed dignity as they silently protested the "change" that has come on America.

    Yesterday, a lot of people woke up to the need to take a stand. They chose to support a fellow America who spoke his mind. By doing that, they completely rejected the message coming from the Left.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    Its warms my heart to see the far right finally come together with the ACLU on a cause.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    @RanchHand "at the same time you go out of your way to DENY FREEDOM TO GLBT COUPLES."

    Not true. They have the same freedoms I have. All of us have freedom of speech. None of us are sanctioned by the state to enter into non-traditional marriages.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Uhhhh, I had chicken yesterday. Anybody know where I can get an anti-gay-rights hamburger?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    So conservatives are BUYcotting Chick-fil-a. Brilliant. Eat a stick of butter too.

    Meanwhile democrats are telling Cathy to, "shut up and sing" while burning chicken sandwiches in the parking lot.

    No, that was the Dixie Chicks being boycotted and intimidated by conservatives.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    "It's really amazing that all of you conservatives will jump out of your way to spend a few dollars to support YOUR own freedom ...."

    The 1st Amendment protects YOUR right to free speech EQUALLY with everybody else's. What you observed yesterday was support for that right, and disgust with those who would trample with your right to free speech.

    The liberals would like to tinker with the 1st Amendment like Chicago does with the 2nd Amendment. Isn't that the city where Obama got his education.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    America rose up "en masse" to support our right to speak without the government threatening us. Anyone who drove past a Chick-fil-A restaurant could clearly see entire families standing together, quietly, spending an hour or more waiting to be served as they showed Mr. Cathy that they supported HIS RIGHT TO SPEAK.

    Those of us who are fed up with government will not forget in November what the extreme left told America, i.e. to shut up or face government sanctions for speaking.

    Each day that passes brings more clarity to Obama's "change" agenda. He's told us that he will cripple our economy by taking away all incentive to be successful, i.e. tax the rich.

    He has told us that somebody else was responsible for our success, but he refused to take responsibility for all the businesses that failed who had all of those "advantages".

    He supports same-sex sex in defiance to the Defense of Marriage Act.

    We have a clear choice in this year's election.

    Wednesday was an excellent barometer of how Americans will vote, they will vote for FREEDOM from Obama's "change".

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:39 a.m.

    Children acting like little children on both sides.
    So if this was the owner of R.J. Reynolds espousing his dislike of gays.
    I guess you guys would all start smokin'... genius.
    King's court is dead on, Utah uses the same moral mentality to deny businesses the right to operate all the time.

    Where were you Guys while...
    A federal judge agreed on Wednesday that Muslims in Tennessee who have been trying for months to get a permit to use their new mosque should be allowed to worship there in time for Ramadan, which begins on Thursday.
    For two years, construction of the 12,000-square-foot center has been a heated issue in Murfreesboro, a city of 110,000 people about 30 miles from Nashville, raising concerns about anti-Muslim sentiment.

    Talk about 1st amendment, rights.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    It's really amazing that all of you conservatives will jump out of your way to spend a few dollars to support YOUR own freedom, and at the same time you go out of your way to DENY FREEDOM TO GLBT COUPLES.

    And you don't even recognize the hypocrisy.

    Jesus was more harsh about hypocrisy than just about any other sin.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 6:08 a.m.

    Re: Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    "Today's supporters overreacted."

    You can't overreact to an attack on our 1st Amendment right to free speech? What today's supporters did was to explain the 1st Amendment to the thought police.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    People like the mayor of Boston overreacted.
    Today's supporters overreacted.
    Tomorrow, all will be quiet again.
    Gotta love the Amercian attention span and "Outrage for a day".

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Aug. 1, 2012 8:34 p.m.

    I got my Chick Fil-A today, and it was very good. The nearest one was a 45 minute drive but the experience of entering the most packed, busy fast food joint I've ever been in (lines snaking out the door, and the drivethrough line was so long it was causing traffic jams) made my day. Let free speech and freedom of religion reign!

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    It is interesting that the first amendment is being used here as a defense on this matter because it can be flipped around as well. I agree that local governments shouldn't ban restaurants just because of the beliefs of the owner no matter the moral nature, but in reality this happens in Utah fairly often. Businesses are often driven to close their doors or locate to certain sections of cities. Hookah bars, smoke shops, pubs, tattoo shops, sexual-oriented business, etc are often discriminated against and like Chick-fil-A, cite their first amendment rights to operate where they please. Now I disagree with the values espoused by the owners of sexual oriented businesses, pubs, hookah bars, and even gas stations that sell alcohol, but I do understand that they do have a right to operate, even if it is in an industrial part of town, but the same could be said for Chick-fil-A. While they do have a right to operate their business, the community also has a right to relegate it to a part of town where espoused values contrary to the community can be kept out of sight.

  • Be Practical Sandy, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    For elected government officials to think that they have a right to deny a company the opportunity of doing business within their jurisdictions when the company and it's president have done nothing illegal other than to express support for traditional marriage is truly scary. I think they should all be kicked out of office for attempting to enforce their unconstitutional discrimination. This isn't Nazi Germany.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Re: Ridgely Magna, UT
    "So if this protest was purely about protecting the Freedom of Religious Speech ...."

    The 1st Amendment doesn't specify "freedom of religious speech". It just prohibits a public official in Chicago from denying a building permit because he/she disagrees with the opinion of a business owner.

    Fortunately the majority of Utahns agree with the opinion of the Chick-fil-A owner.

    By-the-way, traditional marriages can be performed by any judge, and don't have to be linked with any religion.

  • Ridgely Magna, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    So if this protest was purely about protecting the Freedom of Religious Speech and not just anti-gay bias, does that mean you will all support the Repeal of Utah's Amendment Three which would finally allow Utah's gay and lesbian couples to have Civil Unions instead of religious "Marriage"?

    If not..why not?

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    Aug. 1, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    The fact that Mr Cathy's comments have turned into this media firestorm speaks volumes about how far this country has deteriorated in the past 40 years. How quickly the so-called champions of love, tolerance, and kumbaya will turn on someone that dares to express a different view than their own! And let's examine the "horrible" things said by Mr. Cathy
    1) We support the family (Holy crap! How dare he!)
    2) We believe in the biblical view of the family (Again...who is this monster?)
    3) We give thanks we're still married to our first wife (clearly offensive to potential 2nd & 3rd wives everywhere)
    Hopefully the cows will soon be posting a new message, "Eat mor libruls"

    So glad people are supporting Chick-fil-A in droves. Go Chick-fil-A!!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    My wife and I are enjoying a delicious meal at Chick-fil-A. The restaurant is incredibly busy. Free speech was worth the wait.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 5:06 p.m.

    chicago values?
    barney frank's mayor?
    dc mayor? ....... really. looks like the boycott really caught on.
    can't wait for their friday "kiss in"

  • jpjazz Sandy, UT
    Aug. 1, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    While not a regular Chick-fil-A customer, I made my visit today. Enjoyed the Chargrilled Chicken, very tasty. Plan to try a Peach Miilkshake tomorrow!