Utah Sen. Mike Lee attaches D.C. abortion amendment

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Lost in DC,

    Nice try. Even if it were true that attaching amendments that have nothing to do with a bill has been since the beginning of our nation doesn't make it right. Run your own bill. Obamcare went through both houses on its own merits there was an up or down vote on the both floors, it was not attached to a defense appropriations bill, it was its own legislation. You may not like that it passed and specifically on a partisan vote, but that seems to be the way the congress currently functions, and no its not right.

    Interesting that when a discussion comes up about a republican and something they have done on this board, nobody can defend it on it merits, they can only tell you that President Obama has done something worse. I would think that a party so principled as the republicans could do better than Mr. Obama did this so this isn't bad, or we have always done it this way.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:49 a.m.

    Fred and one old man
    if you oppose the method in which lee is trying to get the legislation through you must be LIVID about how Obamacare was passed. Lee is doing has been done since the beginning of the nation. Geez, every bill BO proposes, whether it's defense appropriation or renaming a post office, has a tax hike attached to it. Obamacare was passed in a most unusual manner, using the revenue reconcilliation process reserved for tax and revenus bills on a bill they assured us was not a tax hike.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    @ Rifleman and VST: From the article, "The legislation is based on the disputed claim that fetuses can feel pain after 20 weeks' gestation and is a top priority of anti-abortion groups."

    "Disputed claim" means a claim that is not verified - a claim which is not proven.

    Reading comprehension is your friend.

    Rifleman: Nice red-herring bringing in the death penalty - but how about addressing the actual issues I raised?

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    one old man is right. I to am opposed to abortion and I would applaud Mr. Lee if would run a bill of his own dealing with abortion. Attaching this amendment to a bill that has nothing to do with abortion is one of the reasons the United States congress cannot get anything done. It nothing more than a stunt or a tactic to defeat the bill he attached this to through the back door.

    How about our congressmen start trying to solve Americas problems and quit playing political games.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    Re: Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    "There is no valid scientific proof that at 20 weeks the brain is developed enough for pain to be felt."

    Your typical liberal will agonize over the minimal discomfort a condemned man may, or may not, feel during a lethal injection but are so blazay over the pain a 24 week old viable unborn child definitely feels when his (or her) life is terminated.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    While I oppose abortion in other than cases in which the mother's life is in danger, this kind of tactic is simply not right.

    Using amendments attached to completely non-related bills is something that should be outlawed.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    @ Rifleman: Interesting - nothing in your list addresses brain development, especially the part of the brain required to feel pain.

    There is no valid scientific proof that at 20 weeks the brain is developed enough for pain to be felt.

    Now, let's talk about someone who can feel pain: the mother.

    Less than 2% of abortions occur after 20 weeks. These are pregnancies that are wanted. This is a woman who has picked out a name for her baby, started buying clothes for the baby, has dreams and hopes for the future with this baby.

    And then, she finds out that there is a problem. Abortions after 20 weeks are usually necessary abortions - there is a problem with the pregnancy that causes a threat to the woman, or she finds out that her baby has birth defects that make his or her survival outside the womb very painful or very short-term or both.

    Let's talk about the pain of these mothers who are faced with making those decisions. Decisions that you, me, and Mike Lee have no business interfering in.

    Let's talk about the fact that Mike Lee's bill makes no allowance for any of that.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    At 20 weeks the baby is as follows:

    Baby now weighes about 11 ounces and is roughly 7 inches long.
    Baby is 17cm long crown to rump, and weighs about 310 grams.
    The baby can hear and recognize the mother's voice.
    The mother will probably start feeling the first fetal movements.
    The toenails and fingernails are growing.
    The growth of hair on the rest of the body has started.
    The skin is getting thicker.
    The heart can now be heard with a stethoscope.

    The good news for those who support abortions is that the baby is still not viable for another 3 weeks. Couldn't they at least give the baby drugs to ease the pain when they terminate it's life?