Charles Krauthammer: Obama's view of business compounds a fallacy

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  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Krauthammer did his readers a great disservice by typesetting the Obama quote with an em dash, suggesting that the the subsequent clause was logically related to the preceding one, rather than an ellipsis to indicate elided text. Punctuation makes a difference. It's unfortunate that the DesNews did not correct the error, especially after Saturday's editorial decrying just such misleading editing.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    July 24, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    @HVH - After reading posts from people like you and most others, it's quite apparent that if Krauthammer set aside 90% of his intellect, he would still leave you weeping for rational comebacks in a battle of wits. I don't know if it's even possible for most commenters here to come more than half armed in such a battle.

    Guess what KJB1 - the Walton family and Steve Jobs spent millions if not billions of their money to pay people to stock shelves and build computers! Funding those operations is part of how a resourceful person "builds a business." How does that obligate them to pay more taxes?

    Guess what Real Maverick, louie, and alt134 - successful people, just like you and me, pay property taxes, usage fees, 43 cents per gallon of gas, etc., to pay for schools, firemen, and infrastructure. Successful companies with buildings pay for utility hookups, easements, usually significant property taxes, various fees, etc. Why are they obligated to pay more taxes, especially when the government wastes so much?

    Shallow arguments all, HVH, and your great zinger that Krauthammer has no logic does not exactly raise the intellectual batting average of your team.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 24, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    iron&clay said:
    "congratulations to Deseret News for printing this article.
    Deseret News with this article has shown it's ability to think free and outside of the agenda of the centralized control by the left wing money machine of elite tax free foundations."

    Printing a propaganda piece by a conservative pundit is Free thinking? Outside of the Left, but well within the far right political machine for elite millionaires to pay little or no taxes.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 24, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    I think Ayn Rand wrote a book about this.
    Yes it was called "The virtue of selfishness"

    DSB said
    Wow - if only Krauthammer could mingle with the intellectual and economic giants of this comment thread, surely he would see the error of his logic.

    Nope, because logic isn't involved in what charles says, much like those who support his opinion, that men like Mit did it all by themselves and exist in a vacuum, if only that were true.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    July 24, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Ayn Rand was a deeply disturbed person that thought selfishness was a virtue and that money is the only barometer by which we should be measured. She was smart enough to argue her case and convince those that would be easily convinced of that which they want to hear: Seflishness is good.

    If you read her books you will see exactly the entire Republican platform on everything. But Rand was really a plagerizer most poor qualities of human nature.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    July 24, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    congratulations to Deseret News for printing this article.

    Deseret News with this article has shown it's ability to think free and outside of the agenda of the centralized control by the left wing money machine of elite tax free foundations.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    July 23, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    Wow - if only Krauthammer could mingle with the intellectual and economic giants of this comment thread, surely he would see the error of his logic.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    July 23, 2012 6:29 p.m.


    "Where would we all be without individuals who dared to dream?"

    And where would those individuals be without the people who do the legwork necessary to make those dreams come true? Does the Walton family stock its' own shelves? Did Steve Jobs build every single computer he sold with his own hands?

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    I think Ayn Rand wrote a book about this. Seems like she had seen the danger of this type of logic and where it leads.

    Men are only equal under the law! Men are absolutely not equal.

    We all have benefited from the men who have created, invented, and worked hard.

    Where would we all be without individuals who dared to dream?

    If having some roads and internet and a park bench was all it took to develop new technology or unique ideas and methods then we would all be brilliant.

    America needs to remain free! Get a President in the White House who supports freedom! Please!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    Romney himself said businesses are helped by things like roads and education. I wonder when the editorial going after him will be written by Krauthammer.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    Deuce: "We need someone who understands the economy and how things work."

    The economy works for different people in different ways. If you're fabulously wealthy, the economy and US tax policy are very, very good to you. Yes, I believe Mitt Romney understand the economy enjoyed by multi-millionaires very well. He plays it like a violin.

    But if you're talking about the economy experienced by the middle class, not so much. Every budget and tax idea that Romney has said he endorses has the effect of transferring resources away from the middle class and towards corporations.

    So who is likely to best protect the interests of the middle class? It's _not_ Mitt Romney, that's for sure and for certain.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    July 23, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    To: The Real Maverick, Orem, UT: First, it seems that you have bought into all of the media hype. Second, it seems that you are more interested in a hand-out rather than a hand-up. It is precisely this type of thinking that puts the US in such a problem. I want someone in office that can make the tough decisions and make the cuts where needed and make the investment where warranted. In the eyes of the rest of the world, the USA is perceived as in decline. It is time we take a hard look at where we are and where we want to go. Pres. Obama does not give you that view. We need someone who understands the economy and how things work.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    July 23, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    I actually agree with what he has to say. Successful people aren't successful simply by their own doing. I don't buy the argument that the poor are poor because they are lazy and the rich are rich because of their own hard work. Sure that is part of it, but I don't think it's as simple as that.

    We've all had help along the way, hard work and intelligence alone don't directly equate to success. There is a bit of luck, and often times a lot of help along the way, teachers, parents, mentors, communities, and gasp, even governments.

    Sometimes our society simply values certain skills and personalities better than others. Warren Buffet said that if he was born in Brazil he would probably be poor, he just happened to be born in a country that valued his specific skills and abilities and was set up to allow him to succeed.

    So really I don't completely agree with Obama, it has a lot to do with the individual, but I hate the typical Republican attitude that it's 100% your own power and smarts and work that makes you succeed.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 23, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    If I needed help with my business I would NOT call Romney. Read the history of KB toys. Romney likes to help by taking control of your company, loading it with debt, robbing your employee's pensions and forcing it to buy his company's stock.

    Romney is not the helper you think is his.

  • KnitWitt Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 12:33 a.m.

    If President Obama really cares for people, why has he not met with his jobs council for more than 6 months - when unemployment is so high? And why are some folks so worried about Mr. Romney banking some of his "own earned income" offshore and these same folks being so completely supportive of the millions of tax payer dollars that President Obama is investing off shore - and for what?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 22, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    "If you had a business that was in trouble, who would you want to help you? Pres. Obama or Mitt Romey? "

    You're right, the answer is obvious, Obama! He actually cares for the people. Which is why he has kept us out of new wars, wants to maintain our tax levels, and passed health care reform.

    Romney? He would quickly eat up my business, lay me off, and outsource the company I built to East Asia. Then he would send the money to one of his offshore accounts and brag about how he enjoys firing people. And then he'd call me lazy, uneducated, and blame me for being poor.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    No one on the left seems to complain about the press quoting Romney out of context with the NAACP or credit card machine in Pennsylvania among many others. Selective indignation is alive and well on the "more subtle, analytical, nuanced and intelligent left." Misquoting or out-of-context works if it meets your needs, otherwise claim the moral high ground.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 22, 2012 6:34 p.m.

    RE: Shaun

    Then do not really know who Obama is.

    Obama's grandparents were communist.

    Obama's parents were communist.

    Obama's mentors was radical communist, Fran Marshall Davis was such radical communist the FBI had him on security watch list.

    Obama got phrases like "fundamental transformation", and "clinging to guns and bibles" from Frank,

    he took his slogan "Forward" from Frank. "forward" being a well known communist slogan.

    It's unfortunate the media didn't do it's proper job and tell us who Obama really is.

    Now you may begin to understand Obama;s love for an all-controlling all-powerful big central government that micromanages our lives and our businesses and takes care you from cradle to grave.

    He believes in Big Brother that watches you and takes care you make all things possible. and eschews individual responsibility and success for a societal based view.

    All this is quite counter to what our founding fathers envisioned and established.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    July 22, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    I have one question for all of you. If you had a business that was in trouble, who would you want to help you? Pres. Obama or Mitt Romey? The answer is quite easy and this is the same issue our country is fighting. On purely an objective level, Romney would be your choice as he has proven time and again that he can deliver. Unfortunately, Pres. Obama has not delivered on his promises and he is not the person who can create change. His slogan of "Forward" is very hard to understand given his track record. Ask yourself, do you really want to move forward with Pres. Obama and where we are at as a country now?

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    July 22, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    CK didn't take anything out of context. He may be guilty of trying to divine what Obama actually meant, but he certainly goes out of his way in this piece to NOT take it out of context. For someone who is supposed to be "the smartest person in the room", Obama sure says some stupid things when he's off the teleprompter. The scary thing is I think our president really believes this stuff, he just wishes he had cloaked in more elegant rhetoric.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 22, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    As noted in an earlier post, we just read an article yesterday about the problems caused by things being taken out of context. The quote from a speech by the President is a fine example.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 22, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    The Krafty Hammer got this wrong. Obama did not emphasize the infrastructure as the basis of business success any more than the inspiration one gets from another person or a teacher. For that matter obama could have added; school loans, public eduction, small business loans many of which are tax payer funded.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 22, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    "Limited government so conceived has two indispensable advantages. It avoids inexorable European-style national insolvency."--Odd that the most socialized European countries are the most solvent and stable. Also, the U.S. has absolutely nothing like a European welfare state and we still won't after Obamacare is fully implemented.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 22, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that [i.e the roads, bridges, and unbelievable American system.] Somebody else made that happen."

    That is the actual quote, and nothing could be closer to the truth. We all help each other out. EVERYONE who is successful has been helped by and will help others.

    That was the whole point of this speech. It wasn't to discourage anyone, but to motivate us to use teamwork. Together we can accomplish anything.

    The mere fact that repubs are taking just a piece or two of this quote, twisting and perverting it, and trying to score political points off of it shows how truly desperate they are. Then again, I'm not surprised. Charles has proven to be completely unreliable and biased. He wrote that we had a responsibility to attack Iraq and now this. Take his writings with a grano de sal...

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2012 5:58 a.m.

    Didn't the Deseret News editors just publish _yesterday_ an editorial denouncing exactly the kind of misrepresentation of reality that Mr. Krauthammer is (once again) engaging in?

    Krauthammer's hyper-partisan funhouse mirror distortions of reality are as predictable as they are wrong.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 22, 2012 2:45 a.m.

    I have only heard of Obama's comment in the news and I haven't heard his full speech but I do not take the conservative view that Obama is some kind of evil socialist communist that is out to destroy America.

    I think his point was that our government system is what makes businesses and the wealth possible. It is vital to invest infrastructure, education, etc so businesses can thrive.