Cougars1 said:"I need to recant and offer an apology to Night
Owl. After rereading his post I definitely overreacted. Night Owl is one of the
few Utah fans who always adds intelligent comments on these boards and it seems
I just misunderstood. Sorry."Confirmed.Peace.
No Conf.,I will assume you posted before reading my last post. I
agree 100%. You have my apologies.
Looks to me like you are reading into things a little to much Cougars1.There are those on your side that say the very same things about Utah. Are you
interested in calling them out?I went back and read the
investigating/sanction related posts. People can't just pick & choose.
Football & basketball are under the same athletic department umbrella with
all the other sports in every school. Its kind of silly for someone to get all
bent out of shape when it was pointed out that a volleyball team was sanctioned
and the school penalized. When in fact that is true. Especially when its more
than likely that BYU football supports most of the other athletic programs
financially anyway. So you see they are tied together in a way. Yet there are
those that run around with an "our football program is more pure than
yours" mentality.Football is not the only thing that exists in
this world. Go ahead and call out someone over the use of the word
"pride". But your "waste of energy" and "hateful"
comments are in the same boat.
I need to recant and offer an apology to Night Owl. After rereading his post I
definitely overreacted. Night Owl is one of the few Utah fans who always adds
intelligent comments on these boards and it seems I just misunderstood. Sorry.
"Way to go! BYU athletics is/was not pure after all. Take the blinders off.
They have already and can fall from grace just like any other program in the
country. Get over it."wacpaddled and no conf.,That
is what night owl said. It sounds more like a wish than a statement. And for you
to talk about pride is just rich. All we hear from Utah fans on BYU articles is
how much better Utah is and how BYU is irrelevant and blah blah blah. No
team's fanbase has shown more pride and arrogance in the last year than
Utah's. The proof is in the dozens of posts on BYU articles by Utah fans.
Or, I should say most Utah fans. There are a few who know how to keep the banter
civil; unlike some who can't seem to get over the same tired old drivel
they love to post ad naseum. Funny how you can dish it out, but you can't
Cougars1Bluffdale, UTNight Owl,It seems you are spending
much of your time and energy waiting and hoping for the demise of BYU sports.
What a waste of energy. That is what I call pure hatred. Word of advice, lose it
before it eats you alive.>>>Someone here has
issues. Very interesting accusation from a fellow BYU fan.Can you prove
this by citing references were Owl said that specifically?Besides I
don't understand why someone would post what you did in the first place.
Perhaps you should stick with one avatar Cougars1. I imagine multiple fake
identities are hard to manage. Its a waste of energy to think your program
is perfect. Drop the pride routine already.
Night Owl,It seems you are spending much of your time and energy
waiting and hoping for the demise of BYU sports. What a waste of energy. That is
what I call pure hatred. Word of advice, lose it before it eats you alive.
Here here duckhunter
BYU will play Wisconsin on NOVEMBER 9th 2013. So much for the
"can't" schedule anyone good in November utah "fan" lies.
truecoug1 said:"@NightOwlAmerica "BYU was investigated and
penalized for men's volleyball recruiting violations in 2008." Yes they were, but we were talking about BASKETBALL and FOOTBALL. BYU
isn't perfect, but according CBS Sports they are now the only school to win
a national championship in football that has never had their football program
investigated or sanctioned by the NCAA.I know that's hard for
you to swallow, but those are the facts. So again, I don't know why you had
such a beef with Solomon Levi's comments since they were spot on.Go Cougars!"Yes, go back and read Solomon Levi's
comments, since they left out information.Way to go! BYU athletics is/was
not pure after all. Take the blinders off. They have already and can fall from
grace just like any other program in the country. Get over it.
@NightOwlAmerica "BYU was investigated and penalized for men's
volleyball recruiting violations in 2008." Yes they were, but
we were talking about BASKETBALL and FOOTBALL. BYU isn't perfect, but
according CBS Sports they are now the only school to win a national championship
in football that has never had their football program investigated or sanctioned
by the NCAA.I know that's hard for you to swallow, but those
are the facts. So again, I don't know why you had such a beef with Solomon
Levi's comments since they were spot on.Go Cougars!
"Utah-Hawaii AlumDallas, TXThe Big 12 has never considered BYu,
never will. The cultures are way too opposite."I think you mean
the Pac 12. The Big 12 definitely considered BYU (well documented too) but, it
seems some combination of media rights / Sunday play changed their course.That said, being a church school which will not play on Sunday, I do not
see BYU ever being in a power conference save it be a football only membership
if it becomes apparent they are unable to crack a the playoff as an independent
with an undefeated or one loss record against a tough schedule.
The Big 12 has never considered BYu, never will. The cultures are way too
17-14 Hurts Don't It?Springville, UTUHAPriceless
was witnessing the whining, wailing, and crocodile tears of the fans that had
their Disneyland side trip cancelled last fall...... by a 10 loss
team that hadn't won a road game in 4 yrs. Those Buffs were
sure some happy football boys! Another 'delicious'
nationally televised embarrassing Ute moment in recent history.________________I totally agree. That 54-10 choke job was
embarrassing for the Utes! I think they expected a better game from the kitty
cats.And you are 6-9 all time against San Jose St.And you are
3-8-1 all time against Colorado.
"Props to BYU for putting together a strong Indy schedule for 2013.
Regardless of the significant improvements they're making, I still think it
would be a lot more fun to see them in the Big12 but their commitment to BYU-TV
is probably the wedge that prevents an invitation (the BIG12 would probably make
concessions on the Sunday play issue).Wouldn't it be more fun
if there was a conference championship to play for every year.... even if there
were a couple of early season losses?"I agree but, even coming
from a BYU fan, it's apparent that the only conferences that can stomach
BYU are ones where BYU will be the biggest financial draw. BYU would be a nice
addition to any conference but, doesn't equate to adding another USC or
Texas to any conference. Hopefully they can put it together on the field and
take advantage of what should be an improved system for determining a champion
UHAPriceless was witnessing the whining, wailing, and crocodile
tears of the fans that had their Disneyland side trip cancelled last fall...... by a 10 loss team that hadn't won a road game in 4 yrs. Those Buffs were sure some happy football boys! Another
'delicious' nationally televised embarrassing Ute moment in recent
U-H,First of all, I do not deal in what ifs or mights. Based on what
you say in that regard Utah could lose all of its PAC games for the next several
years as their recruiting classes don't even come close to the majority of
PAC schools, and Whit could leave next year for more money. We all know that
what you say about BYU is nothing more than a personal pipe dream so we will
just be happy to wait and see how the games play out.
@ Cougars1,I think BYu's 2013 schedule is very cool and tough.
However, they could lose every game. BYu loses 29 seniors and Van Noy/Hoffman
will declare early for the NFL draft for sure. Also, Bronco might not come back
for the last year on his contract? Who knows? But, I know this....... BYu's
recruits in the last few years are not impressive. The 2013 BYu defense will be
brand new and a new QB to boot. What, after two to five of the first BYu games
watching getting blown out........and you think ESPN will broadcast any other
home games? Not a chance!
Utah-Hawaii AlumNo fans have EVER exited a stadium faster than Utah
fans during TCU's 7-47 annihilation of the Top 5-ranked "national
championship contender" Utes with ESPN College Game Day there to witness the
carnage... Utah fans exiting the stadium during 3-10 Colorado's domination
of Utah last season would be a close second.
U-H,Priceless was watching Utah get shut out 27-0 by one of the
worst teams UNLV ever put on the field; or watching the Buffs break the nations
longest losing streak on the road at rice-krispies stadium. PRICELESS!
The thing that I've enjoyed so much about ESPN's "awesome"
coverage of BYu football, is seeing Y fans exiting LES early in the 3rd quarter
when they play "OK" teams, in the last five years, is because they got
You are correct Cougars1 about the national title part.MUSSing with
U, I don't think it would be a good idea to stir up a Florida St. poster.
It could invite others to join and create problems here. You guys cornered the
market on t-shirt slogans.truecoug1. BYU was investigated and
penalized for men's volleyball recruiting violations in 2008. Other schools
have been investigated but not penalized. There are also some MAC schools with
very good track records. Look them up. BYU is not the only school with a near
Seminolebob"Looks like some BYU fans like anti BCS can't
handle the fact that Utah fans are talking about the Noles playing for the
title, not BYU."BYU fans couldn't care less about the
BYU-haters coming to a defense of a Florida State fan talking about playing for
a NC - all BYU fans are doing is pointing out the continued hypocrisy of the
kids on the hill.Good luck with your... mission... quest ...
thing.You should print T'shirts. It'll keep your Florida
and Miami rivals entertained.
@NightOwlAmericaHow was Solomon Levi's comment misleading? He
said: "BYU is now the ONLY major college never to have had its football or
basketball programs investigated/sanctioned by the NCAA."So his
point was BYU has "never been INVESTIGATED/sanctioned by the NCAA'.
All of the schools you brought up were all INVESTIGATED by the NCAA for
infractions.Not sure where your beef was with SL's comment.@UHA "BYu football is last century's' aberration."The abundance of your comments on BYU boards says otherwise.Go Cougars!
U-H,You care or you wouldn't even bother to give it a second
thought. Let alone post endlessly on this story about Wisconsin scheduling a
home and home with BYU, which discounts that BYU is or was a aberration,son.
Utah does have a sweet deal in the PAC. Being jealous of that will get BYU
nowhere, so they decided to make their own sweet deal with ESPN and by the looks
of future schedules, several good programs.Night Owl,You are
correct. I think what Solomon Levi forgot to add to his comment was National
Championship. BYU is the only school to have won a National Championship in
football and not have NCAA sanctions against the program.
Utah-Hawaii AlumNothing compares to a woodshed beating by a 10-loss
team...and Utah has earned that humiliating distinction TWICE in the
last five seasons.-----------NightOwlAmerica"investigated/sanctioned" = investigated or sanctioned or bothFeel free to extend and revise your remarks accordingly.
BYU got busted by the NCAA recently.........volleyball.
@ Cougars1,Who cares?........FSU killed them, like any other decent
team does. Utah is in the 12 PAC son, and your sad school was NEVA considered by
any decent BCS conference. Utah has a SWEET schedule for many years to come. BYu
football is last century's' aberration.
Solomon Levi said:"btw,BYU is now the ONLY major
college never to have had its football or basketball programs
investigated/sanctioned by the NCAA."Not true and your comment
is misleading. There are schools that were investigated but never sanctioned.
And other schools were investigated, dished out their own punishment and were
never sanctioned by the NCAA.Air Force, Stanford, Boston
College.....there are 13 more.
Utah-Hawaii,At least BYU played Florida State in a home and home.
Not only has Utah never played Florida State, they have been taken to the wood
shed by California, UW, Arizona St., USC, and Colorado. Since 2006 we can put
TCU, Notre Dame, BSU, Oregon, BYU, Air Force, Oregon State, UNLV, New Mexico,
Wyoming, and UCLA on that list. Wow, UNLV, New Mexico and Wyoming? That's
BYu football is the SOLE reason that the BCS even exists. What happened in 1984
was the 3rd most egregious occurrence in the history of sports, according to a
ESPN "Outside the lines" presentation that aired 3 years ago. That kind
of catastrophe will never happen again.
FSU is totally stacked this year, DANGEROUS to the max.......I believe they will
win it all this year. I don't personally like FSU, but I certainly respect
them. Goooooooo Utes!
@ Seminolebob,FSU absolutely crucified BYU twice a few years ago.
What decent team doesn't pound BYu in the the 21st century? TCU just
creamed BYu the last four years they played. They all do.........even USU and
Air Force has curb-stomped lowly BYu in recent years.
It's doubtful that any program will be rushing out to schedule Penn State
anytime soon, but Hawaii could be a candidate, since they're dealing with
scandals of their own.btw,BYU is now the ONLY major
college never to have had its football or basketball programs
investigated/sanctioned by the NCAA.
Looks like some BYU fans like anti BCS can't handle the fact that Utah fans
are talking about the Noles playing for the title, not BYU.A BYU fan
brought up glory days first. Practice reading comprehension skills, go back and
look it up.Get over yourselves already.
BYU vs Penn State should be played every year on Halloween. Get busy Holmoe and
get it scheduled!!!!
EPIC FAIL in logic NightOwl!Florida State's glory days have
nothing whatsoever to do with BYU's glory days.It's
laughable the double-standard Utah fans have - willing to grant a preseason
national championship pass to Florida State, but so quick to taunt any other
program that has the audacity to suggest that winning a national championship
might be one of their goals as well.Jealous U indeed.
upinthenightYes, BYU fans have always known that the Seminoles are
in the ACC, another power conference.The only ones whining about it
are the kids on the hill.BYU fans recognized as soon as the
four-team playoff was announced that the days of the PAC 12 being automatically
included in any "championship series" were numbered. The ONLY ones not
recognizing the existence of FIVE major conference were the kids on the hill who
assumed that winning the PAC 12 championship game was an automatic ticket into
the playoffs.Reality is finally taking hold on the hill, and
it's becoming apparent that the PAC 12 could be left on the outside looking
in at the playoffs as often as not. Five power conference champions,
plus a possible independent and/or team from another conference (Big East, MWC,
Conference USA), plus a 2nd place team from the SEC or Big 12, could easily
create a log jam of too many teams, for too few spaces.That's
why Scott pushed for a plus-one or conference champions only playoff, but he was
overruled by the true powers of college football, the SEC and the Big 12.Move along please.
SportsFan why are you hijacking what others are saying here?What is there
to switch positions about? Across the country the ACC is recognized as a power
conference. Not just by Utah fans.If you have not figured out by
now, Florida St. is in the ACC. And BYU is an independent. Neither BYU or Utah is being considered as contenders for the national title
this season. Florida State is. Stop crying and move along please.
WACPaddled"Well the ACC is still considered a power
conference."It's laughable how quickly Utah fans switch
positions. When the four-team playoff was announced a couple of weeks ago, Utah
fans assumed that the PAC 12, being one of the "big 4" conferences,
would always be one of the conferences represented.Now, Utah fans
are acknowledging a 5th power conference, that could make the PAC 12 irrelevant
in 2012, before the season even starts.btw WACdudeUtah
was owned by the WAC - 200-208-4 (49%); two championships.BYU owned
the WAC - 288-147-4 (66%); NINETEEN championships; 24-13 versus Utah.
TheSportsAuthorityArlington, VA"Florida St. is a preseason
favorite to win the national title."Imagine that, a non-big-four
team picked to play for the national title...With the SEC always a
lock to being the other conference in the "bcs" championship, the season
is already over for the PAC 12/B1G; why even bother playing?________________________Well the ACC is still considered a power
conference. Sooner or later Florida St. will join the Big 12 anyway.Teams
in the SEC still have to win in order to play for the title.
Again, a BYU football article has inspired Utah fans to beat their chests and
proclaim superiority. Since Utah has decided that BYU is just too tough an
opponent to schedule every year and that the PAC has determined that Colorado
will be their new rival, Ute fans should play "my dad can whip your dad"
with the Buffs. Personally, I prefer the independent schedule with a wide
variety of opponents such as Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Boise
State and Utah State as well as many other nationally ranked opponents to
playing Washington State, Arizona State, Oregon State, California and other
mediocre PAC teams every year. The post BCS era will see SOS as being more
important than conference affiliation. Congratulations to Tom Holmoe for putting
together a great BYU football schedule.
A preseason favorite to win the title....and you guys make fun of BYU fans for
preseason(fill in the blank). Actually, though I may be a die hard
Cougar fan, I have always like Florida State. I hope they do win the National
Title this year. Go Noles!!
"Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title."Imagine that, a non-big-four team picked to play for the national
title...With the SEC always a lock to being the other conference in
the "bcs" championship, the season is already over for the PAC 12/B1G;
why even bother playing?
Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title.
BlueCoug said:"Phoenix who cares?.......From 1987 to
2000, the Seminoles had 14 straight 10+ win seasons. Since then,
only two.Your glory days are fading."LOL!EPIC
FAIL BlueCoug.BYUs glory days faded a long time ago.Many
sports writers and analysts have picked Florida State to play for, if not win
the national title this year.You do realize that right?LOL!
Phoenix who cares?You do!...or you wouldn't be
trying to pretend that BYU's THREE Top 15 Finishes in the last six years
are "mediocre" in comparison to Florida State's ZERO Top 15
Finishes in the same time period.You can post wherever you want to,
it's a free country; that doesn't mean that it isn't lame for a
Seminole fan to be hanging out on a BYU-Utah blog.You can talk all
you want to about Florida State's only goal being winning a national
championship, but the truth is, you laid an egg in your final game in 2000, the
only half-decent chance you've had this century.From 1987 to
2000, the Seminoles had 14 straight 10+ win seasons. Since then,
only two.Your glory days are fading.
Phoenix who cares?I don't care if BYU was number on then. Your
mediocre rankings does not change the fact that you are winless against Florida
Sate. But if that makes you feel good, go ahead and keep posting lame stats. Is
that all BYU fans like yourself are proud of? Is there nothing more in cougar
land to go after? What about settling for nothing less than a national title in
2012? We don't care about mid to late top 25 rankings, we want to be number
one.BTW. I can post here if I want. There are no rules that I know
of that says a Seminole fan can't post here. And you are not the only
cougar fan to say something. So why do cougar fans feel the need to try and run
posters out of here and act like they own this place?Go Seminoles!
Snack, You seem to have missed my whole point. I am fine with
conjecture; just don't use it to prove a point and call it fact. To say
".Switch the two-schedules, and each team would've had the other's
final-record." and then cal it a "blantant fact" is just not true.
It's conjecture, and a bad one at that, especially when you consider Hawaii
killed Colorado and by the time they played UCLA they didn't appear to be
any better. Your comment is spot on. Very well stated.
Cougars1Utah was clearly the better team in September, but the
Hays-led Utah team that took the field against Colorado in late November would
have lost to the Riley-led BYU team that only lost at #14/#13 TCU(11-2), 38-28
in late October.Conjecture, yes, but we see it all the time in
basketball, where a team wins by 20 in the first meeting, and then loses by 20
to the same team in the rematch.Case in point:Nov 11,
2011 - LSU 6 at Alabama 9Jan 9, 2012 - LSU 21 vs Alabama 0 in the NC
gameOct 15, 2001 - Colorado 41 at Texas 7Dec 1, 2001 -
Colorado 37 vs Texas 39 in the Big 12 Championship gameThe only
reason we don't see this as often in college football is because we seldom
have rematches.One game does not a season make, nor does a single
head-to-head match prove, conclusively, which team is better.
One more thing. BYU did in fact have a weak schedule last year; something they
won't have to worry about in 2013, and your statements were far from SPOT
ON.They were nothing more than CONJECTURE.
"Was Utah the better of the two teams last year? Easily, I was at the game
and I will give Utah full credit for an absolute butt kicking. But don't
fall into the trap that so many Utah fans do and use that to come to the
conclusion that BYU was just"just barely mediocre".AZUTE,That is in a comment posted by me yesterday at 3:16 P.M.. Clearly I have no
problem with the outcome of the BYU/Utah game last year. Your two statements are
still nothing more than conjecture. I posted the FACTS about Colorado's
schedule so that you could see how ridiculous your statement was. In fact BYU
destroyed a Hawaii team that clearly handed the Buffs a pretty lopsided loss. I
am sorry, but it appears that you may be in some sort of denial yourself to be
throwing out such conjectures without any facts at all. Oh, other than the fact
that BYU got killed by Utah. As I stated before, I was there, Utah was the
Uteology@Uteanymous"No it's not since the
criteria is different: BYU was only ranked in the coaches pull[sic] because #6
USC was ineligible."lol, at the absurd and inconsistent
arguments Utah fans come up with.We all know that Utah fans would
still be beating their chests about winning the PAC 12 South, IF the Utes
hadn't imploded against lowly Colorado, even though Utah would only have
won the division because #6 USC WAS INELIGIBLE.The reason ESPN says
"Colorado and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the Pac-12 last
season" is because ESPN uses the AP poll results, NOT the Coaches poll.Teams on probation are INELIGIBLE to be included in the Coaches Poll, so
BYU was indeed a Top 25 team according to the Coaches, and just barely outside
the Top 25, according to the Sportswriters.Either way you slice it,
BYU finished SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Utah in both polls, which agreed that
Utah wasn't good enough to be worthy of even a single vote.
AZUTE1"what's never, ever acknowledged by the BYU-fanbase,
was the fact CU's Strength-Of-Schedule..."Laughing
uncontrollably at your spin. #107 Colorado's(3-10) SOS was
ranked 21st.#91 Kansas's(2-10) SOS was ranked 1st.As you can see, SOS was a factor in Kansas (with a worse record), finishing
well ahead of Colorado.What the Utah-fanbase refuses to accept is
that SOS is ALREADY calculated into the final rankings for #34 BYU(10-3) with a
SOS of 90th, and #39 Utah(8-5) with a SOS of 49th.It's
laughable that Utah fans keep desperately insisting that the poll voters were
soooo astute when they ranked Utah in the Top 5 in 2004 and 2008, yet sooooo
clueless when then ranked BYU #1 in 1984 and #25 in 2011.If #39 Utah
had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost at #17 Texas, at #20
TCU, and vs. #35 Tulsa - 10-3.If #34 BYU had played Utah's
schedule, the Cougars would have lost at #12 USC, to #39 Utah, at #38
California, and to Oregon (in the PAC 12 Championship game) - 10-4.
Cougars1--You still haven't recovered from the yesterday, have you?
It's OK, I understand.My facts included the head-to-head result
between UTAH and byu last year and the legitimacy of the final margin....It also
included the fact that CU's Strength-Of-Schedule was BRUTAL, whereas
byu's was WEAK, as was Hawaii's....WSU also played UO on the road more
competitively than most, trailing only 15-10 at halftime while losing by just
15....Your point in mentioning them? Clearly irrelevant and not even remotely
countering my post.You can spin to your heart's delight, but
you'll never, ever be able to get around the fact UTAH destroyed byu
head-to-head on their homefield and you'll never, ever be able to get
around the fact byu's schedule last year was blatantly-weak....And my
statements regarding switching schedules and the East Coast voters were
SPOT-ON.Reality is BRUTAL for byu fans, I know.
@UteanymousNo it's not since the criteria is different:BYU was only ranked in the coaches pull because #6 USC was ineligible.
See the difference?Actually, we don't take credit
for pounding a top 25 team last year, even ESPN agrees:"Message
received. Since 2008, the Pac-12 is 17-31 (.354) against top-25 competition
outside of the conference. Here's the team-by-team...*Colorado
and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the Pac-12 last season, so
their figures aren't included." -- By Kevin Gemmell | ESPN
".Switch the two-schedules, and each team would've had the other's
final-record."I hate to break it to you AZUTE, but that is not a
"blantant-fact"(?). That is pure conjecture on your part. The only
factual part of that statement is that it was made by another Utah fan who likes
to spew conjectures and try to pass them of as fact.Here are some
facts for you. Colorado got blown out by Hawaii,(yes, the same Hawaii that BYU
handled easily) they got beat at home by Washington State, and the week before
they played Utah they got absolutely hammered by UCLA. Face it, no matter how
you want to spin it, they were a bad team. The rest of your
statement(about the East Coast voters) is conjecture as well. I doubt you know
what kind of knowledge each one of them had about BYU's season.
Bottomline--4 of byu's 7 TOs last year were directly forced by UTAH....Not
to mention UTAH had 2 TOs of their own....The 44-point final-margin was anything
but a fluke....UTAH and byu both finished the year winning 5 of 6, w/UTAH
beating 5 BCS schools and byu beating 5 non-BCS schools, including the following
national-powerhouses:Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii
and Tulsa--BRUTAL.As disappointing and flukish as losing to CU was,
what's never, ever acknowledged by the byu-fanbase, was the fact CU's
Strength-Of-Schedule was among the nation's toughest, while byu's was
among the nation's weakest....Switch the two-schedules, and each team
would've had the other's final-record.I marvel at how byu
fans see their team beat-up on patsies in racking-up their wins and then claim
superiority and attempt to sweep under the carpet these blantant-facts....The
East Coast voters obviously voted purely on byu's record....Had they
actually reviewed their "body-of-work", they would've been laughing
uncontrollably and not even remotely considered registering even one, single
UteologyYour spin is hillarious.There are only two
end-of-season, final polls, that are considered Final Top 25 rankings - the AP
Poll and the Coaches Poll.BYU 2011 - #25 Coaches, #26 APUtah
2010 - unranked Coaches, #23 APPittsburgh 2004 - unranked Coaches, #25
APIt's laughable how Utah fans will take credit for being a Top
25 team in 2010, and for beating a Top 25 team in 2004, but then pretend that
the exact same criteria doesn't apply to BYU. The shear hypocrisy is
@Ute EnviousMr. Giggles here are three polls that disagree with the
you: AP, Harris, and BCSThree out of the four polls say that the
2011 BYU team with a SOS #90 was not a top 25 team.ASU (6-7) was 5-1
at the start of the season beating Missouri (8-5), #6 USC (10-2), and Utah
(8-5). They were playing great, ranked #18.Compared that to
BYU's biggest win Tulsa (8-5) and you'll see the difference in playing
a WAC-lite and a real schedule. Whose to say ASU wouldn't have beat CFU,
USU, SJS, Idaho State, NMS, Idaho at home like BYU.
Hey Seminolebob. Stop your hyperbole. Yes, we remember BYU gave the game away to
Utah in September. BYU would have crushed the team that Utah put on the field
against Colorado. The final results speak for themselvesBYU(10-3),
#25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 SagarinUtah(8-5), not a single vote in
either poll, #39 SagarinThe BEST team Utah beat was BYU.The WORST team BYU lost to was Utah.------------btw,
BYU may be 0-4 versus Florida State during the last 20 years (BYU had mediocre
teams in three of the four seasons), but during the last 6 years, BYU has
finished in the Top 25 FIVE times; the Seminoles only three times.2006BYU #16/#15FSU unranked2007BYU #14/#14FSU unranked2008BYU #25/#21FSU #21/#232009BYU #12/#12FSU unranked2010BYU unrankedFSU #17/#162011BYU ur/#25FSU #23/#23One
game does not a season make. Have a problem with those modern era stats?Go Cougars!----------btwWhat is a
Florida State fan doing hanging out on a BYU/Utah blog anyway?Can't handle the smack from the Miami and Florida fans?
Hey LonestarRunner. Stop crying. BYU did not have the talent to beat Utah last
year remember? Y'all lost on ESPN in front of a national audience. You
can't beat them so why complain about the Ute's not playing you? Its
funny looking at BYU fans thinking they are the only ones entitled to post
stats, no matter how far back they go. And I think you are 0-4 all time against
us. Have a problem with that modern era stat?Go Seminoles!
Chris B: "Does BYU really want to be scheduling difficult teams like Utah,
Boise, Notre Dame, and Wisconsin anyways? Two reasons I see not:""1) Your record against teams within winning records over the past 2
years: 0-8." Tulsa(8-5) 24-21, Utah State(7-6) 27-24,
Washington(7-6) 23-17, and San Diego State(9-4) 24-21 all had winning record.
Looks like someone could use a little refresher on those old counting skills."2) You lose one game and your season is over. Contrary, last year
in a very medicore season with a 3rd string QB we were one fieldgoal away from a
BCS conference championship."BYU and Utah are rarily going to be
a serious contenders for a national championship, but calling a season
"over" because you didn't make the four-team playoff is ludicrous.
Despite your crimson-glasses shaded view of the landscape, Utah wasn't even
close to actually winning a "bcs" conference championship. Even if the
Utes had pulled off a win against Colorado, the Utes would have been destroyed
by Oregon. Utah was just as close to losing to WSU and finishing 3-6 in
NightOwlAmerica"Why does a BYU fan resort to making false
statements like this?Please show me and everyone else here where I said
anything about Michigan."You whine about being misquoted, yet
you're amazingly inconsistent in your criticism of BYU.-----------------Pac-12, Big Ten call off scheduling alliance’NightOwlAmerica12:44 p.m. July 13, 2012"Its ok BYU
fans.This in no way will affect the Cougars scheduling alliance with WAC
teams.BYU needs to keep up its legacy of bottom feeding on cellar
dwellers!"---------------BYU, Wisconsin have finalized
home-and-home seriesNightOwlAmerica10:08 p.m. July 20, 2012"You brag about scheduling tough teams like Wisconsin, but lack the
players to beat better teams like that."---------------Whining about BYU scheduling weak WAC opponents, then criticizing BYU for
scheduling Wisconsin, simply proves that BYU-obsessed haters will resort to
picking any nit they can conceive.You may not have mentioned
Michigan, but you also didn't say a word about Utah scheduling an OOC
opponent that might be too good for Utah's talent level. If Utah can't
beat Colorado, the Utes obviously don't have the talent to beat Michigan.
Utah-Hawaii AlumEvery team has to reload from time to time, but your
"concerns" about the strength of the last couple of BYU recruiting
classes are meaningless. If you follow BYU football at all, which you obviously
do since you're obsessed with BYU, you know that because of missions,
greyshirts, and redshirts, players from a single recruiting class are usually
spread out over 7 or 8 years, and sizes of recruiting classes vary greatly
depending on the number of available scholarships. Most of the players recruited
in 2011 and 2012 won't even be in the two-deep starting rotation until 2014
and beyond.Your prediction of BYU getting "slaughtered by most
everyone" except NMSU (which isn't even on the schedule) is laughable.
You don't have even the slightest idea how good BYU will be in 2013.
BYu is in big trouble in 2013. They lose 29 seniors after this year and if Van
Noy and Hoffman play well they will declare for the NFL draft for sure.
BYu's recruiting the last 2 years and this years class rank in the bottom
half in the country. BYu will be lucky to win against NMSU at home next
year..........they'll get slaughtered by most everyone else.
mussingaround said:"You brag about scheduling tough teams like
Michigan, but lack the players to beat better teams like that... see Colorado
and ASU."Why does a BYU fan resort to making false statements
like this?Please show me and everyone else here where I said anything
about Michigan.And since you brought it up, or are carrying it on.
BYU has a losing record to both Colorado & ASU. What is your point?
upinthenightYou brag about scheduling tough teams like Michigan, but
lack the players to beat better teams like that... see Colorado and ASU.crowntown1Utah is biting off more than they can chew...
which is precisely why the Utes were forced to bail on BYU in 2014 and 2015.
Byu is biting off more than they can chew.
Times sure have changed in Provo.Since L. Edwards retired. Football has
become a feel good program. You brag about scheduling tough teams like
Wisconsin, but lack the players to beat better teams like that. Has been said
before. You could schedule all the best, but if you do not win it does not
matter.BYUbees like being in a "feel good about ourselves
comfort zone." Rather than expect to win like in times past.Interesting to read what Badger fans are saying online. Seems Wisconsin has
been criticized for having a weak non conference schedule the past few years.
Some think BYU is ok but not a significant step up.
Snack PAC, I'm still laughing!"btw, BYU is UNDEFEATED
against the SLC YMCA; Utah is only 1-6 versus the Village People."17-14 has got to be a close second.
motorbike"It's very convenient for your argument that BYU
has not yet scheduled their final two opponents."Convenience has
nothing to do with the argument. The comparison is what it is based on the
currently available information.Utah fans have been getting ahead of
themselves since the Utes were invited to the PAC, expecting to be one of the
big boys in the "conference of champions".How'd that
work out your first year?8th in football with a losing 4-5
conference record and a humiliating loss to 10-loss Colorado11th in
basketball with only 3 conference winslast or next to last in every other
men's sportBottom line:BYU went ahead and scheduled
Wisconsin for 2013, even though the Cougars were already scheduled to play
Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Boise State, AND Utah.Utah ran away
from BYU in 2014 because Hill didn't think the Utes were good enough to
play Michigan and BYU in the same season.
Uteology"BYU wasn't a top 25 team in the nation last
year..."lol, the Coaches Poll says otherwiseFive Top
25 finishes in the last six years is proof enough of how meaningless your
BYU-hating spin is. As usual, you're blind to the other side of the
win-loss equation, LOSSES.The reason BYU is a perennial Top 25
finisher, and Utah rarily finishes in the Top 25, is, unlike Utah, BYU seldom
loses to bad teams.Bronco has only lost to THREE teams with losing
records, NONE at home:2005 at SDSU(5-7)2007 at UCLA(6-7)2010
at Utah State(4-8)Kyle has lost to SIX teams with losing records,
including THREE at home; and TWO 10-loss teams:2005 SDSU(5-7)2005 at
No Carolina(5-6)2006 at New Mexico(6-7)2007 at UNLV(2-10)2011
Arizona State(6-7)2011 Colorado(3-10)You can whine all you
want to about wins against ranked and "bcs", but the overall rankings
speak for themselves:Bronco - FIVE Top 25 Finishes, including THREE
Top 15 FinishesKyle - only three Top 25 Finishes, and only one Top 15
WACpaddledBYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado; (including a win
in the Freedom Bowl)Utah is 24-31-3 (including a loss in 2011)BYU is 7-20 all time against Arizona St; (including wins in 1997 and 1998)Utah is 6-17 (including a loss in 2011)How can this be?--------Now that the Utes are bottom-dwellers in the PAC, expect
those all-time records against PAC 12 opponents to steadily worsen.
Marked it Down"Even without the final two or three pieces of the
puzzle, BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013 (based on records and
Sagarin rankings from 2011)""Overall Average
Ranking/RecordBYU #43 9-5 (FIVE Top 25; 0 Bottom 100; two opponents with
losing records)Utah #57 7-6 (three Top 25; TWO Bottom 100; SIX opponents
with losing records)"____________It's very convenient
for your argument that BYU has not yet scheduled their final two opponents. If
they're as weak as Idaho State and New Mexico State then BYU will have a
weaker SOS than Utah based on last years rankings. If they're better than
that, say the same level as a Weber State and Colorado, which are on Utah's
schedule, then Utah and BYU would end up with an identical SOS ranking based on
last years numbers ... which is silly anyway.Way to get ahead of
yourself ... and way to copy someone else's earlier comment that was
already exposed as a weak and misguided attempt to con readers into thinking BYU
has a superior schedule to Utah in 2013 when it most likely won't be.Try again.
WACpaddledBYU is 24-7 all time versus Air Force; Utah is
13-14.BYU is 27-7-1 all time versus San Diego State;Utah is
17-12.BYU is 20-8 all time versus Hawaii;Utah is 15-12.BYU is 3-3 all time versus Oregon;Utah is 8-18.BYU is
5-5 all time versus Oregon State;Utah is 6-9-1.BYU is 2-1 all
time versus Washington State.Utah is 6-5.BYU is 2-1 all time
versus Texas.Utah is 0-1.BYU is 2-0 all time versus
Oklahoma.Utah is 0-1.How can this be?
@Marked it DownEven without the final two or three pieces of the puzzle,
BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013 (based on records and Sagarin
rankings from 2011)... Facts are facts, dispite your frantic attempt to ignore
the facts.---------Using 2011 rankings and ignoring 3
TBA teams for BYU for 2013 SOS is based on fact it's a meaningless opinion.
The fact is playing @USC, @Oregon, @Stanford is a brutal schedule
since most likely two of those teams will be in the top 10. If you disagree
show me a similar road schedule, as of today not even Alabama's road
schedule comes close (neutral VTech, @Auburn, @MS, @Ole Miss).@deductive BYU wasn't a top 25 team in the nation last
year... see USC for details.Like I said, before and after Edwards
BYU hasn't beaten anyone...Top 3 wins after Edwards:2009
#18 Utah 10-32006 #22 TCU 11-22009 Oklahoma 8-5So if
Kyle at 17-10 vs BCS teams is irrelevant then what is Bronco at 10-11?
WACpaddledUtah is 0-7 versus Washington, including a loss in 2011BYU is 4-4 versus Washington, including a win 2010How can
this be?---------------btw,Utah was OWNED by
the WAC - 200-208-4(49%) - TWO WAC championshipsBYU OWNED the WAC -
288-147-4(66%) - NINETEEN WAC championships (including 10 in a row)head-to-headBYU 24Utah 13
Marked it DownPark City, UTMLH"Snack PAC - Give it a
rest, who looks up records from 1968, 1974 against San Jose State and then
compares scores."Tell your buddy WACpaddled, to GIVE IT A
REST... he's the one who's been posting the BYU-San Jose State series
record ad nauseiu.The truth is, Utah and BYU are both 6-1 versus San
Jose State since the WAC was created, and Utah's loss to San Jose State was
more recent.__________________________________BYU is
3-8-1 all time against Colorado!BYU is 7-20 all time against Arizona
St!How can this be?
DnquixoteThe bottom line here is that now that BYU has silenced all
of the SOS whining from the kids on the hill, the BYU-haters are desperately
hoping that BYU will get crushed next season or the whiners will have NOTHING to
Uteology"Stronger SOS in 2013?"Stronger SOS in
2013!Even without the final two or three pieces of the puzzle, BYU
2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013 (based on records and Sagarin
rankings from 2011)Overall Average Ranking/RecordBYU #43 9-5
(FIVE Top 25; 0 Bottom 100; two opponents with losing records)Utah #57 7-6
(three Top 25; TWO Bottom 100; SIX opponents with losing records)BYU
2013#8 Wisconsin 11-3#9 Boise State 12-1#15 Houston 13-1#17 Texas 8-5#26 Notre Dame 8-5#39 Utah 8-5#56 Georgia Tech
8-5#80 Utah State 7-6#83 Washington State 4-8#97 Hawaii 6-7---------Utah 2013#5 Oregon 12-2#7 Stanford 11-2#12 USC 10-2#34 Brigham Young 10-3#41 Arizona State 6-7#44
Washington 7-6#64 Arizona 4-8#66 UCLA 6-8#80 Utah State 7-6#87 Oregon State 3-9#107 Colorado 3-10#136 Weber State 5-6Facts are facts, dispite your frantic attempt to ignore the facts.
MLH"Snack PAC - Give it a rest, who looks up records from 1968,
1974 against San Jose State and then compares scores."Tell your
buddy WACpaddled, to GIVE IT A REST... he's the one who's been posting
the BYU-San Jose State series record ad nauseiu.The truth is, Utah
and BYU are both 6-1 versus San Jose State since the WAC was created, and
Utah's loss to San Jose State was more recent.
UteologyNice try, but how many wins has Utah EVER had over one of
the elite teams: Notre Dame, Miami, Florida State, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Texas,
Oklahoma, USC, Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State.Utah has rarily
even played any of those teams, let alone beaten them.Kyle is 17-10
versus mostly non-elite, mid- to bottom-tier "bcs" teams.Against elite, ranked "bcs" teams, Utah has one win, PERIOD!It's hillarious how Utah fans beat their chests about occassionally
beating ranked teams, but then pretend the being ranked is meaningless. Total
hypocrisy!Which is more important, beating a ranked team, or BEING a
To continue, one game does not a season make. If we followed that criteria, Utah
would be less than mediocre because of the loss to Colorado; but we know that is
far from the truth. I think Utah actually had a fairly successful season in its
inaugural PAC12 season. Something to build on. I also think that BYU had a
fairly successful season; nothing more. I am under no allusions as to how good
BYU really is, but it seems that there are a fair amount of delusional Utah fans
pertaining to their perspective on BYU sports. Particularly football.
"[Continued]--Make no mistake about it, it was anything but UTAH's
biggest win of the year, but most certainly was their easiest....You byu people
want to act as if byu was anything more than just barely mediocre last year as a
coping-mechanism....You're cleary traumatized by what took place last
September in Provo, I know, w/no remedy in sight, other than to tell yourselves
and anybody else who'll listen to you, lies and distorted-versions of the
truth....Spin never produces its intended result, in the end, never."Don't make it into something more than it is AZUTE. According to
the top 25 and the Sagarin ratings it was the highest ranked team your Utes beat
last year. Like it or not, those are the facts. Was Utah the better of the two
teams last year? Easily, I was at the game and I will give Utah full credit for
an absolute butt kicking. But don't fall into the trap that so many Utah
fans do and use that to come to the conclusion that BYU was just"just barely
@AZUTE "You byu people want to act as if byu was anything more than just
barely mediocre last year as a coping-mechanism."We're not
acting...coaches around the country voted BYU as the 25th best team in the
nation. AP writers voted BYU as being just outside of the top 25 at #26. Jeff
Sagarin had BYU as the 34th best team in the country.Interestingly
enough, Utah wasn't to be found in either of the first two polls and was 5
spots behind BYU in the Sagarin.So according to all of these
different people, BYU was the second-best team Utah faced in 2011 and therefore
the best team that Utah beat.But hey, you're entitled to your
opinion.Congrats on the 54-10...it was by far your easiest win. I
can't think of another team that gave U 7 TO's and let U score 28 pts
on 6 yds of total offense.However, MY coping mechanism is
recognizing that nobody cares about Utah outside of SLC, U have to get a
contract with KJZZ just to air your games, and U run your football facilities
out of a trailer park.
Good luck, Cougars. You'll have to play extremely well to beat the
Wisc > Mich...maybe we should drop Utah from the schedule in 2013, you know,
just to be fair to the players and the program? As long as truly
"elite" teams like Wisconsen are negotiating home and home series, U
have no place to even assume that you should be a contender for a 2 for 1.
[Continued]--Make no mistake about it, it was anything but UTAH's biggest
win of the year, but most certainly was their easiest....You byu people want to
act as if byu was anything more than just barely mediocre last year as a
coping-mechanism....You're cleary traumatized by what took place last
September in Provo, I know, w/no remedy in sight, other than to tell yourselves
and anybody else who'll listen to you, lies and distorted-versions of the
truth....Spin never produces its intended result, in the end, never.
You are all lame as you bash each other. Utah does indeed have a very good
program. I admit it why can't the rest of my fellow Cougars. If they
didn't they would not have won so many Bowl games, got into the Pac 12 and
played us really even over the last 20 years.Utes - stop being so
silly in suggesting BYU does not have an equal program. We do. BYU has had
many successes, a National Title, big wins and there is no doubt BYU remains a
Top 25 team on average over the years. We are pulling off Independence in a way
that very few could. It is impressive if you really consider what they have
done in Provo. Not perfect but impressive. These are both very good
programs. That's why we had a rivalry. Because of the equality of the
teams. So all of you - get over yourselves. The State should be
proud of both its teams and when the day comes, the teams will battle it out on
the field and we can cheer our teams and when its over move on. Bragging rights
for a year to the winner. Period.
MLHSALT LAKE CITY, UTSnack PACGive it a rest, who looks
up records from 1968, 1974 against San Jose State and then compares scores.------Fellow BYU fans.
NORCALUTE, Give it a rest. That is nothing more than a pipe dream for the
haters with no factual basis whatsoever.
".Heck, byu's SOS last year was, literally, more than twice
UTAH's....I just got finished providing you people w/a perfect illustration
of how light-weight byu's schedule has always been over the years by
clearly pointing-out that their '84 team played, literally, the third
easiest SOS, nationally.""And we all s/h a good enough
memory to recall OU's pathetic performance in '09, when they took
'til the end of the year to show-up....Only the Miami game is one to hang
your collective-hat on, and that is just one, single game played 22 years ago
which has zero-bearing on what's taking place nowadays."AZUTE,In those two statements you discounted big wins over BCS teams by
BYU and pumped up your PAC schedule. Thanks for making my point. You also
brought up the Utah win over BYU which I never even alluded to. End of year
Sagarin ratings which take into account the strength of teams played as well as
win/loss margins ranks BYU higher than Utah, despite the Utah win over BYU which
turned out to be their biggest win of the year.
NIce work Tom Holmoe. BYU plays a major university rather than East High on the
Snack PACGive it a rest, who looks up records from 1968, 1974
against San Jose State and then compares scores.
Good for the cougs for now, their last hurrah...I still stick with the
sports-world prediction..that the coug football progam will be gone by 2018 and
the Utes will represent Utah, etc...it's inevitable folks...read the
writing on the wall.
I'm a Ute fan, but I think this is pretty cool. We'll be having both
Michigan and Wisconsin coming to the State, maybe even the same year. Add in
Notre Dame, USC, and others coming on a regular basis and you've got to
love it. Next trick is to win those games!
@PacExcept for #3 10-2 Miami BYU beat great traditions NOT great
teams.For comparison, in 2008 Utah beat #6 Bama 12-2 and #7 TCU
The bottom line here is that BYU will get crushed next season and that is that.
But would you rather play awesome teams and get crushed or play terrible teams
to keep your precious 10 win season streak? BYU has said all along they planned
on playing a tough schedule, and honestly I doubted it until now. Just
can't wait to hear how Stanford, Oregon, and USC are terrible teams when
BYU drops to 7-6.
Stronger SOS in 2013?BYU 2013:HOME: Boise, Utah, Texas, GTech,
TBD, TBD, TBDROAD: Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Houston, Utah State, HawaiiUtah 2013:HOME: USU, Weber, ASU, Colorado, OSU, UCLA,
WashingtonROAD: USC, Oregon, Stanford, BYU, Arizona@PAC man:
"Unlike Utah, BYU is accustomed to playing the big boys, and
WINNING."Edwards YES, everyone after him NO.Since
1996 BYU has beat only 2 final ranked teams (#21 TCU and #18 Utah). Not a
single win over a BCS final ranked team. Bronco is 10-11 vs BCS teams (Kyle
It appears that the best thing that has happened to both BYU and Utah is the
announcement of the discontinued rivalry. Now their energy and focus can get
back to football and the rich traditions that both schools enjoy, without the
senseless diatribe associated with a beleaguered and tiresome tradition. Lets
post the rivalry to our collective memory and wistfully dream of renewing it in
a "one game, for all the marbles, on a neutral field" matchup in ... say
... 30 years. By then I will be old enough to know that something exciting is
taking place, but I will not remember the score or the unabashed post-game
buffoonery much past bedtime (which, by the way, will be at 7:30pm in 2042, just
after my sponge bath).
It does not matter what teams BYU schedules. If we don't win it means
nothing good. We will end up looking like a WAC team ourselves. Wait.........Just don't understand some of my fellow BYU fans. More excited to
play schools than actually consider winning the games.
@Cougars1....Nice try....I live by no double-standard as I nowhere above touted
UTAH's big wins over the years....If you're bothered so much, take it
up w/your fellow byu fans....And while you're at it, please feel free to
also respond directly to the facts I stated.Your mis-judgement of
UTAH's schedule/results last year is rooted in two things....First of all,
they destroyed byu, head-to-head, 54-10 on byu's homefield....Secondly,
PAC-12 teams, fom top-to-bottom, play a significantly tougher SOS than byu did
last year and any other year in their entire existence, for that matter....Heck,
byu's SOS last year was, literally, more than twice UTAH's....I just
got finished providing you people w/a perfect illustration of how light-weight
byu's schedule has always been over the years by clearly pointing-out that
their '84 team played, literally, the third easiest SOS, nationally.
AZUTE,You live by a double standard. You can't discount BYU
wins over teams from BCS conferences with WINNING records and claim Utah plays
tough teams week in and week out when Utah didn't even beat a PAC team with
a winning record last year. In fact, they lost to the PAC bottom feeder and
nearly lost(Wazzu) to one of the others.BYU just did what Utah fans
have been spouting they couldn't do.....put together a schedule as an
Independent that rivals any BCS team schedule with the exception of an SEC team.
For crying out loud, WACpaddled is going to have to change his name on these
boards now because it is no longer accurate. Talk about obsessed with a team
that Utah fans claim is a mid-major, independent team that is beneath them.
BTW, Wisconsin was brutally-horrendous back then.WISC '80
finished 4-7Texas '87 7-5, '88 4-7Miami '90 10-2PSU '92 7-5ND '94 6-5-1, '04 6-6And we all
s/h a good enough memory to recall OU's pathetic performance in '09,
when they took 'til the end of the year to show-up....Only the Miami game
is one to hang your collective-hat on, and that is just one, single game played
22 years ago which has zero-bearing on what's taking place nowadays.
We have not even played the 2012 schedule and are all exited about losing at
Wisconsin already? There is no way we are going to waltz in there and win. That
is a very tough play to play now.I think we should focus on teams we
are playing this season first.Move along fellow BYU fans.
WACPaddledThe fact still remains that the Village People own U:The Utes 1 SLC YMCA 6
PAC man said, "The last time BYU visited Camp Randall Stadium, in 1980, the
Cougars came away with a solid 28-3 win. Unlike Utah, BYU is accustomed to
playing the big boys, and WINNING. The Cougars have been doing that for decades.
See Texas 1987/1988; Miami 1990; Penn St 1992; Notre Dame 1994/2004; and
Oklahoma 2009."Do you not realize any UTE could've scripted
your response, beforehand, word-for-word? byu has never, ever played a week-in,
week-out type of schedule, ever....And you must go back, literally, decades to
find any "huge" win....And please, it doesn't lend to being
credible as a fan-base when one attempts to point to junk ND teams and an OU
team which hovered at around .500 all season long and finished the year
unranked....Almost comparable to PITT '84, which finished the year 3-7-1
while still barely losing to byu, and when byu, literally, finished the year
w/an SOS ranking of #96 out of 98 total teams ranked.
motorbike"I'd confidently wager that Utah will have a
stronger SOS than BYU in 2013 - BYU's greatest ever schedule. Now take a
peak at Utah's 2014 schedule!"I "peaked" at
BYU's 2013 and Utah's 2014 "greatest ever" schedules and
immediately noticed one glaring difference. Unlike the Utes in 2014,
BYU wasn't afraid to play their rival in 2013 because their schedule was
CougFaninTXFrisco, TXWACPaddingOurSchedule wrote: "BYU is 6-9
versus San Jose St."This is about the 10th time you've
posted this stat. Can you at least post stats that happened in my the last 50
years? We are talking about BYU not Brigham Young Academy. Get real.__________________Please explain how this is any different than
outrageous propaganda posted by BYU fans.I must have been mistaken.
Thought it was Brigham Young Academy that lost on national TV last season 54-10
at home.The fact still remains that San Jose St. owns you!
motorbike"Let's assume BYU will complete their 2013
schedule with two patsies (guaranteed they will)."Based on what,
your own desperate attempt to try to minimize what is turning out to be a top
flight schedule for BYU?Nice try, but BYU has no need to complete
their 2013 schedule with a couple of patsies. Unlike Utah, BYU isn't afraid
to play a full schedule of good teams AND instate rivals. The remaining teams
will probably be teams like Houston and Hawaii, not big name teams, but solid
their number of wins to drop precipitously, not just slightly....Only chance
going against a team like Wisconsin for a team like BYU, which naturally prefers
and is accustomed to playing a patsy-schedule in accumulating wins"Spoken like a true BYU hater. The last time BYU visited Camp
Randall Stadium, in 1980, the Cougars came away with a solid 28-3 win. Unlike
Utah, BYU is accustomed to playing the big boys, and WINNING. The Cougars have
been doing that for decades. See Texas 1987/1988; Miami 1990; Penn St 1992;
Notre Dame 1994/2004; and Oklahoma 2009.
WACPaddingOurSchedule wrote: "BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St."This is about the 10th time you've posted this stat. Can you at least
post stats that happened in my the last 50 years? We are talking about BYU not
Brigham Young Academy. Get real.
Howard S.Despite your desperate attempt to paint BYU's
scheduling success in a negative light, BYU has a CONTRACT with Notre Dame and
Wisconsin, which by definition is a MUTUAL AGREEMENT - neither side is dictating
anything. Unlike Utah, neither Wisconsin nor Notre Dame is scared to play BYU,
so neither will be running away from their agreement to come to Provo.
Howard S., great point....I was going to say the same....I honestly doubt this
fact has occurred to any byu fan, however.
As byu enhances their SOS [Note to Deseret News moderators, please note that
"SOS" is an acronym for "Strength-Of-Scheule"], expect their
number of wins to drop precipitously, not just slightly....Only chance going
against a team like Wisconsin for a team like byu, which naturally prefers and
is accustomed to playing a patsy-schedule in accumulating wins and then claiming
in unwarranted-fashion their "superiority", in not getting absolutely
crushed, but rather losing by a modestly more respectable-margin, is to catch
Wisconsin earlier in the season when they've had a tendency in years past
to play down to their competition.
@BlueCougYou took Utah and BYU opponents in 2013 and averaged their
final SOS rankings in 2011 giving utah's opponents an average SOS of 57 and
BYU's opponents an average of 43.SOS for 2013 is a silly game
to play but I'll play along. Let's assume BYU will
complete their 2013 schedule with two patsies (guaranteed they will). New Mexico
State and Idaho State were at 133 and 205 last year but let's give BYU the
benefit of the doubt and take the identical SOS rankings that you have for
Utah's lowest ranked opponents - Weber State and Colorado at 136 and 107.
Guess what we come up with? An identical opponents average SOS as Utah's
... 57Now consider the Pac 12 came off a down year, meaning the SOS
will likely be higher for Utah's 2013 opponents. Conversely BSU without
Moore will most assuredly take a step or two backward while Houston will
probably bounce back to mediocre at best.Bottom line, I'd
confidently wager that Utah will have a stronger SOS than BYU in 2013 -
BYU's greatest ever schedule. Now take a peak at Utah's 2014 schedule!
CougFaninTX"BYU's strength of schedule will easily eclipse
the Utes in 2013"I'm proud of BYU for putting together a
nice looking schedule for 2013 and can't wait to see what the results will
be. I have a feeling some coug fans will be humbled by what playing a real
schedule actually means in the end. Just wait til they end up 7-5 at best and
out of the polls while some WAC team slips in at #25 having played no one.Don't get ahead of yourself on the SOS thing ... with how Oregon,
Stanford and USC have been playing in recent years, those could all be top 10
teams Utah will play next season. You also need to take into account the games
BYU has yet to schedule, I'm pretty sure they'll be patsies which will
pull down their SOS. Utah will have one team on the schedule worse than BYU
(Weber State) with the rest arguably on par with BYU or better.Cougs
have a great schedule shaping up, it should be fun to watch ... but slow down a
little big guy.
On Thursday, the Wisconsin State Journal reported that the Cougars and Badgers
have finalized a home-and-home agreement, with BYU visiting Camp Randall Stadium
in Madison, Wis., in 2013.Tom Mulhern, who covers Wisconsin football
for the WSJ, tweeted the news via his Twitter account. Later, Mulhern reported,
"Based on open dates in the two schedules, the BYU game would likely be on
Sept. 14."---------Howard S.: "Home and Home?
Maybe... we'll see..."Utah-Hawaii Alum: "They(BYU
homers) leaked the Wisconsin game as a "home and home" to save
face"It's sad how often the BYU haters have to resort to
distorting the truth in order to help themselves sleep at night.
@DeepBlueBYU has one return game promised from Wisconsin and 2
return games promised from ND. None of the return games are
scheduled.BYU travels to Wisconsin and to ND twice before any return
game.If either Wisconsin or ND decide not to travel to Provo for the
return games BYU can do nothing about it except collect the buyout money.Bottom line is that Wisconsin and ND will dictate the terms of the
return games and BYU will helplessly and gratefully accept what they decide.Such is the power of BYU's independence.
WACPaddled"BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St."As BYU
Joe said, "many Utes seem to be intellectually dishonest in..." their
spin:BYU and Utah are both 6-1 versus the Spartans since the WAC was
created in 1962.BYU's last loss was 21-25 in 1968, the year
after BYU destroyed San Jose State 67-8.Utah's last loss was a
blowout at home, 6-24 in 1974, the year after Utah had barely beaten the
Spartans. 28-21 in San Jose.btw, BYU is UNDEFEATED against the SLC
YMCA; Utah is only 1-6 versus the Village People.
No Conference Championships for U"the PAC 12 has won more NCAA
titles in all sports than any other conference"Poor jealous Utah
fan; you don't even know which school you represent.Unfortunately for U, the closest you'll ever get to a PAC 12
championship, let alone, a national championship, is when you visit USC's
sports hall of fame every couple of years.
Here is a different look. If BYU had gone to the Pac - where would Utah be
right now? Anyone, Anyone. Exactl. Still in the Mountain West. I
am willing to give them tremendous credit for being in the Pac - a feat BYU
could not accomplish. Not because they lack the athletic skills but for other
reasons. I remain as always impressed that Utah is there.What is
tough is that many Utes seem to be intellectually dishonest in recognizing the
following:A. BYU really is managing to put together a very
impressive Indy schedule and making it work.B. Both programs really are
very close in football success over the last twenty years. C. As we no
longer are your rivals - why then do you spend so much time bad mouthing the
Cougars - get on over to the Colorado Chat boards and enjoy the witty banter
they offer up.Sadly you can't because you can't let go of
BYU. I can - So good luck in your adventures. Now scurry off to the
Golden Buff chat-room and give them a dose of Good Old Fashioned Ute wit. Let
me know how that turns out for you.
deductive reasoningArlington, VAmonkeyBYU is 1-0 versus
Wisconsin; 1-0 versus Michigan.Utah is 1-2 versus Wisconsin and 1-1
versus Michigan.You should worry a little more about how well the
kids on the hill are going to match up against the B1G, and a little less about
how the Cougars are going to match up.Utah didn't beat a single
PAC 12 team with a winning record in 2011._____________________BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St.You should worry a little more
about how well the kids in Provo are going to match up against them.
btw, monkey,The last time BYU visited Camp Randall Stadium, the
final wasBYU 28, Wisconsin 3Been there, done that.Interestingly, Utah doubled the number of points Wisconsin scored
against BYUUnfortunately for U, BYU also doubled the number of points BYU
scored against WisconsinBYU 56, Utah 6
I'm happy for the kitties down south. I'm also glad that Chris Hill
told Holmoe where the door is. Utah has the ball rolling nicely and that is what
CougFaninTXFrisco, TXThis is the confirmation I needed to know that
BYU is going to be able to make scheduing work as an Indy. This puts our
schedule on par with most schools in the Big10, Big12, and ACC and ahead of the
Big East and PAC12. SEC is still way ahead of everyone else.I
didn't realize until today that the PAC10 / 12 is the only AQ conference
not to win a NC in the BCS era. Interesting that they still use the moniker
"conference of champions."-----Get over it
fellow BYU fan. How many BCS era titles have we won? Its a fact the PAC 12
has won more NCAA titles in all sports than any other conference. The most
recent was Arizona winning the college world series. They are the
Conference of Champions.
monkeyBYU is 1-0 versus Wisconsin; 1-0 versus Michigan.Utah is 1-2 versus Wisconsin and 1-1 versus Michigan.You should
worry a little more about how well the kids on the hill are going to match up
against the B1G, and a little less about how the Cougars are going to match
up.Utah didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record
Howard S.Are you so insanely jealous of the obvious success that BYU
is having scheduling big name opponents, that you have to make stuff up just to
help you sleep at night?Relax, take deep breath, exhale slowly, and
then just accept reality.Texas, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, and Notre
Dame are only the next in a long line of great programs that have scheduled and
will continue to schedule visits to LES.I know, it takes a little
shine off of the first big program ever to independently schedule a visit to
RES, but you'll survive.
They(Byu homers) leaked the Wisconsin game as a "home and home" to save
face...............It smells like a one and done to me.
Byu just became the Idaho state of their own schedule. I bet Utah will
hang more points on byu then Wisconsin will.
CanyontrekerYou and all of the other "bcs" apologists need
to get over you clueles bcs biases.In most years, adding Air Force
to BYU's schedule would improve the schedule significantly more than adding
Duke or Indiana or any other "bcs" conference bottom dweller.
No return date!! Curious? Sounds more like a One and Done, to me.
This is the confirmation I needed to know that BYU is going to be able to make
scheduing work as an Indy. This puts our schedule on par with most schools in
the Big10, Big12, and ACC and ahead of the Big East and PAC12. SEC is still way
ahead of everyone else.I didn't realize until today that the
PAC10 / 12 is the only AQ conference not to win a NC in the BCS era.
Interesting that they still use the moniker "conference of champions."
Home and Home?Maybe... we'll see...As with many of
BYU's opponents, Wisconsin will decide if its a home/home or not.After BYU travels in 2013, Wisconsin will decide when and/or if they want to
return the game.If they choose not to return the game, they pay the
buyout and they've created a one and done.As is the case with
many of BYU's opponents Wisconsin will decide the scheduling terms and BYU
will helplessly take whatever they can get.
Another great team added to BYU's schedule - Tom Holmoe is delivering on
his promise to schedule big name opponents from throughout the country. 2013 is
just the beginning of the exciting future that lies ahead for BYU football.----------NightOwl"Your strength of schedule
means nothing if you don't win games.""WEAK = failing
to recognize you have not even played the 2013 schedule yet."Brilliant observations; how long did it take you to think up those valueable
nuggets of wisdom?
BlueCoug "BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013"I didn't bring up Utah's SOS 2013. I said BYU only needs one more
BCS team to have a BCS SOS based on week over week competition. Hopefully, we
will get another team. Based on your analysis though, it looks like we still
need two more BCS teams to be a BCS schedule. You can't compare
Utah's 12 game schedule to BYU's 10 game schedule and say Utah has
some losing teams. We don't know BYU's full schedule yet. As I said,
when BYU gets one or two more BCS teams it will have an SOS to rival any other
Congratulations to Tom Holmoe on another scheduling gem.When the
only nit our friends up north can find to pick is which B1G team is better, you
know that the kids on the hill are grasping at straws!WEAK = failing
to recognize that conference affiliation has absolutely NOTHING to do with how
good (or bad) an individual team is. The PAC 12 South was THE WEAKEST division
of any major football conference, especially when you consider that the only
really good team in the division was ineligible to win the division.Utah fans need to get over their double-standard of constantly making
predictions of their own, but then whining every time a BYU fan makes a
Mussing Around:It will be interesting to see how gored responds to
your post, after all it's his fan base that has proclaimed the cutoff for
recent and ancient history to be 2004.
Wallbanger said:"Bluecoug, Using 2011 stats to determine the
outcome of SOS in 2013? WOW!"If you have some more recent stats,
bring 'em on, otherwise quit whining.Bottom line, despite the
constant stream of hyperbole from the hill, there's absolutely no way for
jealous Utah fans to prove that BYU's 2013 schedule won't be stronger
than Utah's.However, as far as ELITE opponents (and there are
only about a dozen teams that fit that label),Texas and Notre Dame
strength of schedule means nothing if you don't win games."Neither does yours! Especially when you can't even beat the
worst team on your schedule.
Black Shirts said:"BYU's schedule will have a HIGHER SOS
than Utah in 2013. After all the talk about schedule the WEAK PAC12 doesn't
give the Ute's a HIGHER SOS. BYU has ND, Gtech, BSU, Texas, UWis, and
Houston already and six opens dates still to fill."WEAK =
failing to recognize you have not even played the 2013 schedule yet.
gored"Utah schedules Michigan, a Big 10 program with... yada
yada yada..." and BYU schedules Wisconsin, a B1G
program that has DOMINATED Michigans during the Bronco/Kyle era:2005-2011head-to-headWisconsin 4Michigan 2Wisconsin - TWO B1G Championships, SIX Top 25 Finishes, FIVE 10+ win
seasons2005 10-3 #15/#152006 12-1 #7/#52007 9-4 #24/#212008 7-6 unranked2009 10-3 #16/#162010 11-2 #7/#8 Big Ten
Co-Champions2011 11-3 #10/#11 Big Ten ChampionsMichigan - ZERO
B1G Championships (last in 2004), three Top 25 Finishes, TWO losing seasons2005 7-5 unranked2006 11-2 #8/#92007 9-4 #18/#192008 3-9
unranked2009 5-7 unranked2010 7-6 unranked2011 11-2 #12/#9btw, that 2008 Michigan team that Utah barely beat by 2 points in the
Big House, was THE WORST Michigan team since 1963, when the Wolverines finished
3-4-2, the last Michigan team to only win 3 games.Wisconsin >
Michigan since 2005
Hmm Utah doesn't want to play us for at least two years, well thats fine no
problem BYU has the likes of Boise State, Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Georgia
Tech, Nebraska, and West Virginia on their schedule all within the next 5 years.
So much for not being able to schedule anyone, major props to Tom Holmoe and BYU
for making it happen!
"Your strength of schedule means nothing if you don't win
games."As Utah so aptly demonstrated last year.......wait, their
SOS sucked last year...
CougFaninTX said:"Where are all the Ute trolls now who have
mocked the WAC schedule the past two years? BYU's strength of schedule will
easily eclipse the Utes in 2013. BYU's bowl alignment will also
improve significantly in 2013. I can't wait for that announcement. I'm
betting it will be the Holiday Bowl with the BIG12 losing their spot with only
10 teams and a new connection to the Champions Bowl.It's a
great time to be a Coug!"Double yawn.Your strength of
schedule means nothing if you don't win games.
BluecougUsing 2011 stats to determine the outcome of SOS in 2013?
WOW! I really needed a good laugh, thank you very much. One thing you left out
of your post was talk of a National Championship. That was too funny...keep up
the good work! Also, what are "the final two or three pieces of the
Cowboy Dude said:"Wisconsin! That's big. Bigger than Texas
and way bigger than Notre Dame."Based upon what?
GoRed:It is truly a sad thing if there are BYU fans that are trying
to downplay the UM tradition. Although I must admit I haven't seen it. I do
find it interesting that you bring up Wisconsin in the context of having a
second tier relationship to UM. Wisconsin has won the conference or
a share of it the last two years. The last time UM did it was '03. Almost
10 years ago.So you are basing your comments about the strength and
tradition Michigan has had in the past (winningest football program, myriad of
national awards and conference championships). If I were a Ute fan I'd be
exited as can be that the Wolverines are coming to RES.But I thought
Ute fans didn't like it when BYU fans brought up the past- yet here you are
proclaiming Michigan is superior to Wisconsin due to past achievements and not
recent ones.Are you different from other Ute fans, or just not get
cc'd on the memo?
Chris"You lose one game and your season is over."Unless you beat USC, highly unlikely, so is yours.
Cowboy Dude"the Cougs still need to fill one more BCS team &
one cupcake for a BCS SOS"lolEven without the final
two or three pieces of the puzzle, BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah
2013 (based on records and Sagarin rankings from 2011)Overall
Average Ranking/RecordBYU #43 9-5 (FIVE Top 25; 0 Bottom 100; two
opponents with losing records)Utah #57 7-6 (three Top 25; TWO Bottom 100;
SIX opponents with losing records)BYU 2013#8 Wisconsin 11-3#9 Boise State 12-1#15 Houston 13-1#17 Texas 8-5#26 Notre
Dame 8-5#39 Utah 8-5#56 Georgia Tech 8-5#80 Utah State 7-6#83 Washington State 4-8#97 Hawaii 6-7---------Utah
2013#5 Oregon 12-2#7 Stanford 11-2#12 USC 10-2#34
Brigham Young 10-3#41 Arizona State 6-7#44 Washington 7-6#64
Arizona 4-8#66 UCLA 6-8#80 Utah State 7-6#87 Oregon State
3-9#107 Colorado 3-10#136 Weber State 5-6
That sounds like a good schedule. The problem is that BYu is in rebuilding mode
next year........they could lose every one of those games. BYu's latest
classes of recruits are not very impressive. Get ready for no bowl game next
season Y fans.
Amazing how many Utes comment on BYU articles...But as long as you
are here, Hill may actually be right about easing up on the rivalry game. The
Utes have their hands full and the Cougs will too. It is a very mean world out
there and wasting our energy on each other is really pathetic. Sure we'll
get together once in a while... but let's face it, the college football
world is not friendly to rivals in our situation.
BYU's schedule will have a HIGHER SOS than Utah in 2013. After all the talk
about schedule the WEAK PAC12 doesn't give the Ute's a HIGHER SOS. BYU
has ND, Gtech, BSU, Texas, UWis, and Houston already and six opens dates still
Reminds me of the the advertising campaign for BYU Football of about ten years
"Might As Well Schedule the Forty-Niners."
Interesting time for my fellow BYU fans. It's fun to have a glossy 10-2
record, but it is boring beating up on Idaho, Wyoming, Oregon St. etc. Now that
we have an amazing slate in 2013, we'll see how fair weather BYU fans are
because we aren't going 10-2 in 2013. A 7-5 record may happen although
perhaps 8-3. For me, I'd rather go 7-5 against a bunch of good teams.
Recruits will look to see an impressive line up that will all be on national TV.
If we can keep the 2013 pattern going, independence will vault BYU recruiting
past anything they would have with the pathetic TV schedule the Utes are having
in an okay conference. Here's hoping we can be respectable against every
team and win more than 50%.
Teams scheduled to play in the state of utah in the coming years: Michigan, USC,
Cal, Boise St (3), Texas, Georgia Tech and Wisconsin. Pretty Cool. I think
Oregon, Stanford and Notre Dame aren't too far behind either. Ten years
ago, this would have been a pipe dream. It just goes to show that Utah, BYU and
hopefully Utah State are moving up the ladder in college football. The Utah
St.-Auburn game was awesome last year.........oh so close!
Until the official announcement comes... mum is the word.Until then
I'm not going to be 'uteish' and thump my chest and dance in the
street, etc. over a rumor like they did over their Big 10 'done' deal.
That had to bruise some 'big boy' conference egos.It would
be great... if it happens.
Chris B - "Let me rephrase. Against the best 8 teams byu has played the
past 2 years, the record against those 8 teams? 0-8."What's your point? Utah's record the past 2 years, against the best
teams U have played is also 0-8. Assuming Colorado is counted as one of the
best teams you've played. Lol.Where are all the Ute trolls now
who have mocked the WAC schedule the past two years? BYU's strength of
schedule will easily eclipse the Utes in 2013. BYU's bowl
alignment will also improve significantly in 2013. I can't wait for that
announcement. I'm betting it will be the Holiday Bowl with the BIG12
losing their spot with only 10 teams and a new connection to the Champions
Bowl.Many posters are concerned about a new QB in 2013, I have to
admit, I'm very concerned about the defense in 2013. There's a chance
we could lose the entire front 7 to either graduation or the NFL.It's a great time to be a Coug!
Wisconsin! That's big. Bigger than Texas and way bigger than Notre Dame.
With USU and Hawaii in 2013, the Cougs still need to fill one more BCS team
& one cupcake for a BCS SOS.
Once again more useless drivel from the trolls. I do applaud the Utah fans on
here who even though they don't like B.Y.U. they show their maturity by
Congratulating B.Y.U. on scheduling a quality opponent. Go Cougs!!
I applaud BYU for their 2013 schedule. What an opportunity to go out and earn
respect. It looks like 4-6 very solid teams are on the schedule. It reminds me
of how Notre Dame used to schedule. Side Note: what does this have
to do with Utah? They still play each other in 2013 & 2016. Utah has a tough
schedule in it's own right. I don't understand why certain individuals
use any BYU/Utah artice to blast Utah? Pretty pathetic. Stay on topic folks!
Nice schedule BYU!
christy b"...last year in a very medicore season with a 3rd
string QB we were one fieldgoal away from a BCS conference championship"LOL at how delusional Utah fans have becomeYou
were one missed FG (against WSU) away from finishing 3-6 in the conference and
another missed FG (against Ga Tech) from finishing 6-7 with a losing record
overall.The Utes were never even close to winning the conference
championship. Even if you'd gotten past Colorado to win the gift-wrapped
south, you would have been destroyed by Oregon in the conference championship
game.btw, if Whitless hadn't converted all his QB
recruits to other positions, the Utes wouldn't have had to replace
injure-prone Wynn with a D-II player.
Utah fan here. Kudos to BYU for putting together a strong 2013 football
schedule. I didn't think they were going to be able to pull off that kind
of a schedule. I still prefer cheering on my team in a conference, but good for
them they are obviously doing fine with their independence deal.
@ChrisB"I love the BCS, my BCS membership, BCS bowl games, BCS bowl
wins, and all things BCS!You can love it all you want.. you or your
utes will see it unless you pay to go watch. lol, chris just go, your utes are
scared to play the Y and the want to leave follow their example and do the same,
Congrats to BYU for landing this deal. Can we all agree that Utah is starting to
become one of the most prominent states for football in the nation?
Great pickup.2013:4 BCS teams @LES: Utah, Texas, GTech,
Boise3 BCS teams on the road: @ND, @Wisconsin, @WazzuWith the
current talent, last 2 seasons, BYU is 4-8 vs teams with winning records.Bronco's teams are 10-11 vs BCS teams.Unless BYU dominates
this year and goes into next season on a roll, I see a real tough 2013 season
(7-5 most likely).
Gotta give credit where credit is do! Good job Cougs on signing a home and home
series with Wisconsin. Two very good Big Ten teams for Utah and BYU to play home
and home in a couple years. Football in the state of Utah is going to be very
exciting in the coming years!
Time for Utah to get BYU to agree to those 2 for 1 deals (two games in SLC to 1
game in Provo) before BYU fills out its schedule. BYU better hurry and get Penn
State on the schedule before they drop football.
"Against the best 8 teams byu has played the past 2 years"Thanks for adding that qualifier in there. Let us know when you learn the
difference between a fact and an opinion.
Well yes..... One team playing the Blue n White won their division in 2011....
The team playing the Red n white didn't... Facts are just that simple...
And.... Stop talking history of the big 10 and the patsy-12 when you also ignore
that of BYU for in the end no history is as relevant as any other... So, either
make it all of same relevance or make it all of no relevance... Plain and
Two reactions: First - I congratulate the Y on a very good schedule in 2013.
Secondly, it was interesting to read such comments from Holme "I've got
to be careful as we look at (future schedules) that we don't overdo
it." And coach Bronco, "What, am I crazy!" Yet when Utah did not
schedule the Y in 2014 and 2015 because of the difficult schedule, Y fans, in
general, cried in unison, "The U is afraid to play us!" See any irony?
Oh brother people... WAKE UP! The finalized agreement has NOT I repeat N O T
been officially announced yet.... That is the only reason why the return date
has yet to be determined.... Also why even though we 'know' a game
will be in Madison next year but not it's date. Come on people LISTEN to
Hmmmm......wonder who posted that this was immenent earlier this week......
Who knows how well the Cougars will do with that schedule. I doubt anyone will
predict an undefeated season, but I would rather see them go 6-6 with that
schedule than 10-2 with last year's lineup. If they continue to schedule
that way they will grow to the level of competition and truly become a football
3grandslams" didn't BYU beat Michigan for the National
Championship? Oh, that's right they did. Hey Chris B. If you lose four
games and your still inches away from the Rose Bowl...Your conference
stinks!!!"I'm pretty sure byU did not play Michigan for the
NC. They were voted NC a month after the game in which they played a UofM team
that was "hovering" around .500. lolIf you call a game away
from playing Oregon in the Pac 12 Champ game "inches away from the Rose
Bowl", you really are in the clouds. I just love it when byU fans say that
the Pac 12 is a weak conference. Always get a good laugh.
And thus we see that Ute fans bang on the Cougs for scheduling easy opponents,
then Utah can't fit BYU into the schedule because of a Big 10/Pac 12
alliance (which has fallen apart), and now BYU has strengthened their schedule
Ute partisans are predicting gloom-and-doom. One thing is for sure: Utes and
their thought process will NEVER change, regardless of the circumstance. The
BCS could be virtually eliminated in deciding a national champion and the Utes
would still crow about being in a BCS conference. (Wait, that's just
happened.) I wish the Utes well in their Colorado home-and-home games. I
wonder if they'll manage to reach .500 in that series this year or if
they'll lay another fat goose egg again (costing them the perverbial Chris
B. PAC 12 Championship). What a weak-sister conference is the PAC 12 at
Great game for the cougs. One I will look forward to watching that one.
Guess we should cancel the Utah game for two years to accommodate Wisconsin...
whoops, wrong AD doing the scheduling.
@ m.g. scottsorry but the Azuza Pacific College schedule is full
they are playing the utes
What a great time for college football in UT! I am impressed with the upcoming
schedule for the Cougars. It's going to be exciting to watch both the UTES
and the Cougs. I do wish that the rivalry would continue, but what is done is
done. It will be exciting to watch the rivalry game this year and I can't
wait for September 15. I hope the Cougars the best, and that they can live up
to the hype of this schedule. Just like the UTES experienced last year,
it's tough to play high caliber teams week in and out. Good Luck, and GO
BYU will have their work cut out for them next year. I will be impressed if
they come away with 5 losses or less. Very tough opponents. Any zoobs want to
make a firm prediction of how you might fair?
Utah schedules Michigan, a Big 10 program with a history far superior to
Wisconsin's as far as Rose Bowl appearances, national championships, etc.,
and all BYU fans can do is try to cut down the Wolverines. Now, BYU schedules
Wisconsin, a team that is considered 2nd tier in relationship to Michigan, and
they're all beating their chests, boasting about what an important,
impressive Big 10 opponent they have scheduled.Such is life for a
fan living in Utah.
The return date for Wisconsin to visit Provo is TBD becasue....A: BYU
could finalize an invite to the Big 12B: Wisconsin wishes to negotiate a
"neutral site" game at Soldier Feild (Chigaco), Lucas Oil Stadium
(Indianapolis) or to be halfway fair, Invesco Field at Mile High
(Denver)...refuses to come to Provo in the end. C: BYU is forced to join
the "Big Least"D: BYU is forced to rejoin MWCE: BYU football
just goes away (dropped) so that poor team from Cache Valley can finally rebuild
it's fan base, and eliminating the TDS will only help Utah get a bigger fan
base :-) LOL! Ute Trolls select anything from B-E and true Cougar fans
Dear Chris B. The fact that you lost 4 games and were so close to the
championship games just shows you how mediocre the PAC-12 is. Yes, you ripped
BYU, (which was an anomaly. look that word up)but you basically stunk up the
rest of the season, and couldn't even get a win against the bottom dweller
Colorado. My how you look darkly through glasses. I hope this does not show
how logic is taught at Utah. One thing I hope you are never proud of
is the hate you spew against BYU. Because if you do, I feel sorry for you.
When I saw the headline I thought, Wisconsin State???? Never heard of them.
Where did BYU dig up this unknown school. Then when I saw it was the Badgers, I
realized my error. In truth since BYU is not part of a conference, they need to
schedule the toughest schedule they can to have any recognition or purpose in
college football. Much like Notre Dame does. So any Big 10 or 12 team, or any
Pac 12 team. Any team from a powerful conference like the SEC is what BYU
needs to look at. Hopefully they can get games like that. If not, I hear that
Azuza Pacific College has a good team.....
We will beat them both times and then they won't want to play us.
Hey Chris B:"Against the best 8 teams byu has played the past 2
years, the record against those 8 teams? 0-8."How have the Utes
done against the best 8 teams they played the last 2 year? 1-7. I also think one
of the 8 best teams BYU has played in the last 2 years was Tulsa, which makes
them 1-7In 2011 Utah lost to SC (by 9), WA (by 17), ASU (by 21) and
Cal (by 24). In 2010 they lost to TCU (by 40), Boise St (by 23), Notre Dame (by
25. The 4th best team they played in 2010 was either BYU, who they beat on
blocked chip shot FG or an OT win v. Pitt. Doesn't look like
the Utes do much better.
And for the record if we are comparing apples with apples of the two schools
last season Wisconsin was better than Michigan... All be it not by much, but
they were! One was 11-3 and ranked 10th and the other 11-2 and ranked 12th (AP
Poll). But, of what relevance will 2011 have in 2013?????
oops... I left the D out of badgers.... and I'm hoping that as little D as
showed up in 1980 shows up in 2013..... Looking forward to the OFFICIAL
announcement of the finalized series which will have dates and not be based on a
Just sayin'....It was the Y's toughest game that year. Again, similar
to the U last year.
Well, it's not quite Michigan and the Big House, but it's much better
than playing the WAC. That schedule in 2013 is looking solid. Of course, how
will BYU fans react to a 6-6 season? BYU fans on this site have said that
winning 10 games against the WAC is more impressive than winning 8 against the
Pac-12. Looking at BYU's recent record against ranked teams, BCS teams and
even just winning teams, they're staring 6 wins right in the face, unless
some of these teams are just bad. It will be interesting to see the
backtracking from Cougar fans when that day comes.
@All of you calling Michigan 6-6.Michigan was 10-2 and won the BCS
Sugar Bowl last year against Virginia Tech. I think you're all a year
behind the times.
To my fellow coug fans:This home and home with Wisconsin was in the
works before Utah decided to put the rivalry on hiatus. Vince Beigel even talked
about it during his recruitment which preceded Utah putting the rivalry on hold.
BYU would have still been trying to get Wisconsin scheduled even if the BYU-Utah
rivalry would have continued annually.
"Wasn't Michigan unranked and hovering around .500?"Yes
lanius - like utah last year. Unranked and hovering around .500.
@3grandslams"I can see why Utah is afraid to play BYU. Utah isn't
ready to hang with the big boys. "...you do realize Utah plays
USC Oregon and Stanford in 2013 right?
Very cool, sounds like it's going to be a pretty sweet schedule for BYU.
Here's to hoping that the rivalry game comes back as soon as possible to
make both teams schedules even better!! Good luck Cougars! Go Utes!
Wow. They did that without a conference?? I thought the program was dead and
nobody would play BYU anymore because there was only one team in the state that
was part of a major conference and that only THEY could play Big 10 (or is it
12) opponents now and blab blah blah....
@giantfan,Fine. Let me rephrase.Against the best 8 teams
byu has played the past 2 years, the record against those 8 teams?0-8.Not exactly a "question for perfection" by my standard
Props to BYU for putting together a strong Indy schedule for 2013. Regardless
of the significant improvements they're making, I still think it would be a
lot more fun to see them in the Big12 but their commitment to BYU-TV is probably
the wedge that prevents an invitation (the BIG12 would probably make concessions
on the Sunday play issue).Wouldn't it be more fun if there was
a conference championship to play for every year.... even if there were a couple
of early season losses?
@Chris B."1) Your record against teams within winning records over the
past 2 years: 0-8"That's false. They won a bowl game last
year against a team over .500.And uh... the final Sagarin rankings
last year using the rating method (the better one to use since it accounts for
scoring margins as well as win/loss) had BYU 34th and Utah 39th. The year before
Utah was 26th and BYU 45th. Another year prior had BYU 15th and Utah 24th. Then
of course in 2008 Utah's undefeated season had them ranked 5th while BYU
was ranked 32nd. In 2007 it was BYU 17th Utah 34th.So the 5 year
average has it at Utah: 25.6 BYU: 28.6 Two things from that: 1. Both
teams are more than qualified to be among the 60 or so BCS schools. 2. It's
a rather small difference and as a Ute myself it'd be silly to pretend
there's any real significant gap between the two programs.
Tom, I think the Michigan game was in 2008.
"We lose 4 games - are still just inches away from a BCS conference
championship game with Rose Bowl on the line."Not only does this
illustrate what a sad-sack conference the PAC was last year, it seems to imply
that had you made it to the game, there would have been a chance of winning.
There wouldn't have been. You would have been there only because USC was
on probation, and you would have gotten destroyed, just like UCLA did. This is
a terrible argument for why Utah is better. Hilarious.
Here's to our newest, best and only rival, our friend and partner in going
independent - Utah State. May we be in a position in the future to return the
favors. As the Aggies improve their program, and Utah shows their
colors, on the Cougars ever-improving schedule may there always be room for THE
(other) UNIVERSITY OF UTAH - Utah State! I even like your colors.
Wow, I really hope the reports of our current QB situation change. Our starting
QB is a senior and so is his backup. That means that whomever gets the nod as
the key slinger next year is going to get pounded. I REALLY hope our O-Line is
solid or we're in for a very long season. Love the idea of playing all
these storied and up-and-coming opponents. I just hope we do something more to
prepare for it.
"Disagree? Please provide evidence..."BYU beat Utah State
and Tulsa last year who both had winning records. In 2010 BYU beat Washington
and San Diego State. Not sure where you came up with 0-8. But by all means
don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Another Ute here, this is exciting news for the Y. Not only is it a top tier
game, but it is a top tier game in Nov. That 2013 schedule could tops the
nation in SOS. Though I wouldn't trade places with the Y for the world
that schedule could be exciting if BYU can match up.
Tom in CAI am pretty sure Michigan will be better than 6-6 this time
Ute trolls wake up and smell the coffee! The Deseret News has a staff member
once again guilty of citing an article that only cited a nameless source.... The
announcement hasn't been officially made as a visit to the uwbagers site
and byucougars site will both confirm.... Until it comes from Tom it isn't
official and I will bet you my entire week's salary that when it comes from
him we will have both the 2013 date and the visit to Provo date within that
short 30 minutes of talk.
Awesome schedule for year three! Great time to be a Cougar fan!! When teams like
Wisconsin start scheduling us, I can see why Utah is afraid to play BYU. Utah
isn't ready to hang with the big boys. They need some softies.Hey Tom is CA, didn't BYU beat Michigan for the National Championship?
Oh, that's right they did. Hey Chris B. If you lose four games and your
still inches away from the Rose Bowl...Your conference stinks!!!
Yeah, I remember that year. Wasn't Michigan unranked and hovering around
Utah cancels and runs scared so what does BYU do? They schedule Wisconsin. Huge
Congrats to BYU. Tough games for sure.
I remember a long time ago, Johnny Come Lately (aka Chris B), when we played
Michigan. Anyone else recall that year??
I'll be really disappointed in Holmoe and BYU if we simply sit by and
"wait" for Utah to determine when it is ok to continue the series. Utah
doesn't want to play us - then CANCEL the series. It is clear based on how
2013 is shaping up that BYU is not afraid of playing as many quality teams as
possible.Go away Utah.
Ute fan here. Credit where it's due: props to BYU on scheduling a solid
opponent. Here's hoping the scheduling keeps improving, as I'm sure it
See you later, Utah. I'll take the Badgers over the "cowardly" Utes
So your saying that Big 10 teams will even play BYU too, and Utah thought they
had the only home and home with a big 10 team in the state.
That 2013 schedule is shaping up to be awesome! It will be really interesting
with a new QB, too. That's why they went independent, though, for a chance
to prove that they could play with the big boys. Exposure is a double-edged
sword. Gotta win those games. It'll be a baptism by fire for whoever starts
at QB next year. Luckily, it looks like the D will be really good, and that