Dick Harmon: Jimmer Fredette unable to win over team, critics so far

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  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    July 23, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    "Jimmer can and should play the point, however he needs to pattern his game after pass first point guards like Nash & Stockton."

    Question for U 90: have you ever actually played any organized sport at any level? You don't just up and abandon your strengths and try to become something you never have been. It don't work, bro. All players are well-served to refine and modify their games to fit the team they're on and to lengthen their careers, but to go from Alpha Dog Scorer to Maestro Distributor has never, ever happened in the history of pro basketball. It's not all one or the other, but Stock and Nash are wired to be PG's. It's instinctual as much as it is skill.

    Jimmer? Wired to put ball in hoop. Can he pass? Sure, but he's a born scorer. Can't hammer a square into a round hole.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    July 22, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    @Poyman: I would not brag that much about Bradley. But what about Quinney,Congdon, and Merlin Olsen? Oh wait he was and Aggie..How about Bogut?? Ist pick bust that can't stay healthy for even a partial season??

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    July 22, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    One thing for sure he makes more money than all you bad mouthers.. Not many players can be golden in just one year. Give the kid a chance..

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 21, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    I appreciate Chris B's posts............sorry if "reality" bugs Y fans. It is what it is folks!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum
    Dallas, TX
    9:15 a.m. July 20, 2012

    You need to read your post again and shake yourself.

    Way out of line with that one.

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    July 20, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    I'm betting on Jimmer. Like Linsanity, he just needs a chance with players that will play with him.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 20, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Another tidbit.............All the LDS folks that have a crush on Fredette constantly emailed, sent letters to Kings' management complaining and threatening boycott when Fredette lost his playing time last season due to his poor play. When are you people gonna learn how to keep your traps shut? Everyone is constantly annoyed by your immature behavior, bizarre blind claims and needless venom.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 20, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    James Taft Fredette is in no way NBA material. He shoots 37%................that is not going to cut the mustard when "shooting" is his ONLY asset. He plays ZERO defense, too slow, no transition game whatsoever, can't rebound, post-up, or penetrate the paint. He will be gone to eastern Europe very soon. I say he he is waived by SAC at fall camp and NO NBA team will pick him up. He is just another Adam Morrison is all.

  • adelman provo, UT
    July 20, 2012 12:40 a.m.


    Austin Collie, Really?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 19, 2012 6:55 p.m.

    Jimmer is a one-trick pony, but its a pretty good trick. He needs to get into a system that knows how to use his talents, and has a coaching staff that can improve his versatility. I don't see that happening in Sacramento. He was brought in to sell tickets, but that only works if he wins games. I don't think he's coming to the Jazz anytime soon, but I would think that New York could definitely use him coming off the bench.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Jimmer will figure it out and will eventually be a solid NBA player. Lillard will be better though. Lillard is the better defender and has a skill set that is closer to what works best in the NBA.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    I did wonder if Jimmer had the speed and quickness to be a starter in the NBA. He certainly does not have the size. So he would need the speed and quickness. I think his future in the NBA will be as a 6th or 7th man. Nothing to sneeze at, as the NBA has had some hall of fame players that did not start. Hopefully he will find the right team to use him like that, which I don't think is Sacremento. Yes, bring him back to Utah. Put him in a Jazz uniform.

  • Shanon P. BLANDING, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    Ldsfan... you are right. There will be a place for Jimmer somewhere and possibly in the NBA. However, the Jimmer fans on this thread are simply out of touch with reality. He is simply not going to be an above-average NBA basketball player... EVER. No matter what team or system he finds himself in. Genetics have a lot more to do with it than what team he is on.

    I love sports and I love to witness the passion, and sometimes complete idiocy, that fans have for their teams and players because I'm one of them! Jimmer and Tebow have been two of my favorite case studies. Haters love to hate and lovers hold on to every single thread of possible validation. To the analytical observers who are void of emotion, they are both below average players in leagues that require above average skill and athleticism to be great.

    The Jimmer we knew and loved at BYU will NEVER be that Jimmer again...

  • Ldsfan South Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Not worried about this kid. If you can play ball, there is a place to play. No shame in playing overseas.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 19, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    This is more of a Sacramento issue than a Jimmer issue.

  • russhoops OGDEN, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    After watching Sacrament play, it's all about ME. There were numerous times that Jimmer came down the floor and never touched the ball. The don't play team basketball in the NBA. It's all about ME. Hopefully Jimmer will be able to step up, get a little more playing time and receive the ball from his team-mates more often than he did his freshman year in the NBA. Chris B would have found fault in him if he had made the All-Star team and Baseball Dad, stick to baseball.

  • Baseball_dad Salina, KS
    July 19, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Jimmer will not last in the NBA, should not even be there in the first place. To slow, small and weak.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 19, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Hey Chris B... How is it that you always get to be the first one to make a comment? Do you work for the DN? Or is it that you just don't have a life outside of making insignificant cotributions on internet forums?

    Since you are ususally the first poster I usually end up reading your baloney and then wish that I hadn't... You have made some ridiculous comments in the past, but this one is one of your most ridiculous...

    Here are some names to think about...

    Jim McCahon, Marc Wilson, Gifford Nielson, and Steve Young, you know what these guys have in common besides being NFL stars and BYU grads? That's right, they were all NFL Team starting QBs at the same time... A first in the NFL...

    If you don't know who these guys are, maybe a trip to Canton, OH might help you...

    A couple of more names to think about... Austin Collie, the Denney brothers, Paul Howard, Vai Sikahema, Todd Christianson, and so on...

    Want to switch sports? Danny Ainge, Shawn Bradley, Fred Roberts, Greg Kite, Paul Ruffner, John Fairchild, Dick Nemilka, Kresimer Cosic? Need I go on?

  • Ethel Home Town USA, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Give the Jimmer a break. He is on a team that does not have the dynamics (or Coach) he had before. It is a new team, and they need to work together. The Kings are not the Cougars. Far from it. There is so much competition working against him than in his favor.

    It doesn't take much observation to recognize that. We ALL know Jimmer has what it takes. He will stand on his own merits. Maybe he needs a new team where he can be himself. ??

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:18 a.m.


    "Jimmer needs the minutes and the patience of others for success. When he gets the consecutive minutes he gets hot"

    I keep hearing Jimmer fans say this ... here's the problem with that:

    If you're the coach of an NBA team would you honestly let a guy go in and jack up 15 shots in the first half just to get him in his rhythm even though he only makes 3 to 5 of them? The team would be down 20 points real fast with the odds of a win stacked against them.

    Those that say Jimmer needs to be a shooting guard have it right. Think Hornecek in the Jazz's system. Jimmer's best chance to succeed would be in a system that runs through the low post options first with Jimmer looking for space when defenses cheat.

    The problem is his height will always be an issue in terms of playing the 2-guard spot in the NBA. But as long as Jimmer is expected to run an offense and create his own shot, he WILL fail. And no NBA coach can afford to patiently allow him to "heat up" on a nightly basis.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 19, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    Smart's history with young guards stink... Just ask Jeremy Linn... 2 years ago he was burried at the end of Smart's bench, last year he was staring for the NY Knicks and this year he is a 3 year $25M contract free agent heading to Houston...

    The Kings simply aren't the NBA Team best suited for Jimmer... IMHO, they have both the worst ownership and coaching in the League.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    Oh bull. He's one of the most talented players to come along in probably 40 years. You have to go back to Danny Ainge to find a player as talented.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Jimmer is a perfect off the bench zone breaker. Have him ride the pine until the opposition goes to a zone, bring him in to work the seams and hit the three. They go back to man to man, out comes Jimmer. Think a shorter, quicker version of Kyle Korver. ..

    By the way Harmon, what is a "back-step three" is that the same as a "step-back three" or is the back-step something new Jimmer invented?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Jimmer better return to having the swagger he used to have otherwise he will find him self without a team to play on. Jimmer can play - and play well in the NBA - but you only get so many chances to prove yourself.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    Chris B.

    I love your predictions...tell me, will the earth end on December 21st.

    I am hopelessly waiting your reply...I know its pure gold.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    July 19, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    Jimmer needs the minutes and the patience of others for success. When he gets the consecutive minutes he gets hot.

  • utahcougar provo, utah
    July 19, 2012 12:39 a.m.

    Given time and the right situation (not Sac) Jimmer will be fine...

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 18, 2012 11:58 p.m.

    Jimmer can and should play the point, however he needs to pattern his game after pass first point guards like Nash & Stockton. While he scored points in bucket loads at BYU he's not going to do that in the NBA. If he wants a long NBA career he needs to put up numbers like 9 assist and 14 pts per game, not 2 assists and 25 pts.

  • Southern Born BLANDING, UT
    July 18, 2012 11:29 p.m.

    I completely agree with gdog3finally. I'm not a BYU fan and I'm not a Utah fan so I'm completely unbiased. I'm a basketball fan therefore I loved watching Jimmer play in college but I'm realistic about his limitations in the NBA. Ironhide makes me laugh with his comment that Jimmer needs to be a two guard... seriously? In the NBA? Jimmer shouldn't be slotted for a position other than a solid role player/shooter. He is too short and too slow to ever be a legitimate starter in this league. You say, we (Jazz) need him... no thanks. I can think of no less than 10 "shooters" I would rather have on my team than Jimmer.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 18, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    Where would Jimmer fit on the Jazz?

    I understand the love for Jimmer but think it through. Do ya'll want Jimmer playing over Mo Williams, Alec Burks, and Gordon Hayward?

    Jimmer was a legendary college player. That ship has sailed and he will be fighting for the NBA journeyman role from here on out.

    I will eat crow if I am wrong, but things are turning out for Jimmer the way I thought they would. I do think he could be more productive on a new team, and he might light up the scoreboard on occasion, but Jimmer is a low minute guy who can give a team a long range spark off the bench from time to time (a la Eddie House).

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    I wonder, what kind of an athlete is Chris B? Enough of an athlete to call out the former consensus college player of the year? He's right, that was all just luck. He knows way more than all those coaches and journalists. Only Chris would have the audacity to talk trash about a dude that ran his team off their own court. He can't be older than 14 with how he reasons. Now to truth. Jimmer needs to get out of Sac. They've destroyed his confidence, and he let it happen. Dude needs to be a shooting guard, not a point. He's a spot guy that can create when necessary. It just isn't the right system, too many egos and insecurities from his teammates. He needed the green light last year, but with half of his teammates getting in his face when he shot too much, he was bound to lose his edge. I would like to see him here.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 10:36 p.m.

    I sure hope the Kings trade Jimmer. Send him to a team that could actually use some shooting, not just a team that keeps drafting more guards.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    July 18, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    Hey, cut Jimmer some slack. Afterall, he went to the school people love to hate, and he can't get that out of his system. Perhaps if he does, he may be able to fit in on another team, he's done in Sac Town, so maybe he'll become a jazz man.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 18, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    Jimmer will be just fine. It will all come together. It's not like he has a ton of pressure on him. He knows there are people like Chris B. out there cheering for him to fail.

    Jimmer will get his Jimmer on.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    Told you so! Byu players are not "athletes" and therefore dont belong with the big boys(bcs leagues, nba, nfl).