Fact-checkers take Boston Globe, Obama campaign to task for new Romney-Bain claims

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    "Passive, absentee owner," but none the less owner. I understand that Mr. Romney was in Salt Lake and probably not running the day to day operations of Bain Capital but at the end of the day, regardless of who is making the day to day at Bain Capital the responsibility for what happens at Bain is still Mr. Romneys. Own up to it and accept the responsibility. We have enough politicians on both sides of the aisle that blame someone else for what goes wrong, I would like to see someone who takes responsibility rather than pass blame.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 14, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    Wonder what kind of law, legal or spiritual, Mitt Romney would have to break before his LDS and Republican followers lost faith in him?
    All of us non-members are befuddled as we thought Romney was suppose to be "above the common man".
    Romney "would not be caught in any corrupt schemes, unethical or illegal."
    Mitt was "different from those in US government, one who always told the truth".
    Mr. Romney "would change the laws concerning the way corrupt bankers, lawyers, those working in the finance industry, and the wealthy handled US and foreign money".
    Weren't we suppose to have a "new, uplifting country, that was fair for middle class people, no loopholes or unfair advantageous for the wealthy"?
    Rick Santorum seemed to be the only one who truly saw through Mitt Romney.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    July 14, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    Junkgeek: Sorry, it's already too late. President Obama beat Mr. Romney to the punch -- i.e., selling the nation to the Chinese -- by borrowing trillions from them to finance his various "programs."

    Fred44: What I'd really like to know is how much the state of Hawaii got paid for that birth certificate.

    Mike Richards @ 1:06 am: Well said. There is no reason to believe anything that comes from the Obama election camp.

    viejogeezer: great moniker. I agree with you except that "this flap" was initiated by the Mr. Obama's people. Since it is clear that they lack any level of ethics, I think it IS relevant to the discussion of who should be our next president.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    To Mike Richards 1:06 a.m. July 14, 2012

    Everyday we learn more about Obama and his total disregard for truth. Why should we be surprised when he and his followers lie about Romney?


    Your statement is inaccurate. Let me correct for you. to be accurate, it should read:

    "Everyday we learn more about Romney and his total disregard for truth. Why should we be surprised when he and his followers lie about Obama?"

    There -- it-s fixed -- it's truthful now.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Obama questioning Romney's honesty is like Bernie Madoff criticizing pyramid schemes. Romney has about 10 chances every week to highlight Obama's abject ineptitude regarding financial and economic matters. In a time of financial crisis, why does anyone want a President who has not only never run any kind of organization (prior to being President), but repeatedly demonstrates he doesn't have a clue about how a financial organization is run?

    Way past time to get the amateurs out of the White House.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    Why are so many right wingers unwilling to allow an investigation into the matter? They have been in favor of re-investigating the location of the current President's place of birth for the 30th time even though the state of Hawaii has produced a birth certificate for the President. This is a lot less clear cut than where President Obama was born.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    July 14, 2012 6:25 a.m.

    Irrelevant chatter. All that matters is that we don't let Romney in the White House to sell off America to the Chinese. :)

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2012 5:41 a.m.

    "Where is the plan? Where are the jobs? Why should he get another four years? Really, can any Obama supporter explain what is going to be different?"

    I'd suggest watching something other than Fox News to get obama's jobs plans reported. He wants to increase aid to the states so they can re-hire teachers, first responders, etc. We know he wants more infrastructure spending. He wants to have some tax reform that closes loopholes to lower rates. We've gained private sector jobs 28 straight months despite losing half a million gov't jobs the past two years (Reagan HW Bush and W Bush oversaw public sector job growth when getting out of their various recessions). Ended a war, working on ending the second, averted a Great Depression, GM's #1 in world again, healthcare reform is a good thing... lots of reasons to reelect him in my view, not to mention Romney's policies are undesirable on many levels.

    If Romney were more consistent...
    2002: “[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth.”

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 14, 2012 1:06 a.m.

    Everyday we learn more about Obama and his total disregard for truth. Why should we be surprised when he and his followers lie about Romney?

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:27 p.m.

    One question I haven't heard asked or answered: If Romney quit in Feb. 1999 with no intention of returning and as sole shareholder he was ultimately responsible for all actions taken taken by the Company, why did it take three years for him to transfer ownership?

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    When it became clear that the Titanic was going to sink, the crew started firing off flares in desperation. This story is Obama's desperation flare.

    Obama supporters: The country is aching for leadership on the economy and all your guy can do is try to drum up a ridiculous felony charge against a good man. Where is the plan? Where are the jobs? Why should he get another four years? Really, can any Obama supporter explain what is going to be different?

  • wrz Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:18 p.m.


    "Facts on the ground are that Romney still had major titles in the company..."

    He was a partner in Bain. Of course he had titles. All the partners had titles. The question is, did he provide management after he left to handle the Olympics. He says no... and analysts on both sides of the political spectrum say no.

    "Does that sound like someone who has no role in Bain for those three years?"

    He had a role, he was a partner... (did I say?). You don't give up your partnership just by taking on another responsibility. You have to sell it. We don't know, at this point, if he sold his share or not. But, apparently he did give up all management responsibilities. So say the researchers.

    @no fit in SG:

    "Love how Mitt can recall and boasts about, 'all the jobs that I have created.'
    Hmm...puts ol' Mitt in the company of some fine individuals."

    I think he's saying the jobs were created during his tenure as a leader at Bain... before he left in January '99.

  • Ex Pat Salt Lake City, Ut
    July 13, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    Question: It’s been established now that Gov. Romney did not play an active role in the management of Bain Capital after February 1999. Why, then would Gov. Romney have kept his name on the documents that were filed with the SEC?

    John Sununu: I don’t know the exact answers, but I can give you approximate answer. Those kinds of partnerships are extremely complex. It takes time to unwind them, to make fair allocation for what people are owed for previous involvement and nobody was in a hurry to finish the paperwork. He ran off to help finish the Olympics, and worked 24/7 out there. And nobody ever anticipated anything as unethical and slimy as the Boston Globe has done to distort reality in any way at all. They weren’t packaging the timing to be Boston Globe slime-proof.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    July 13, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    Get a clue! You and the rest of the complainers have no idea how you break up a company when the partner leaves in a hurry. The company has to be unentangled - oh heck what's the use.

    If you are toooooo dumb to know how long it takes, and why he would still get a cheque from the company after he leaves (as the former owner) and believe the nonsense spewed by the left because they have nothing else to run on, there's no hope. And yes, I put names on this and decided to take them out.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 13, 2012 6:14 p.m.

    So now, Mitt is saying, "I do not recall attending any Bain meetings in person, or over the phone, after leaving for the Olympics."
    Neither can Mitt recall "any investment decision with Bain" after 1999.
    Love how Mitt can recall and boasts about, "all the jobs that I have created."
    Hmm...puts ol' Mitt in the company of some fine individuals.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 13, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    "...checking claims about Romney's leaving date at Bain "really feels like Groundhog Day again,"...".

    Voting to repeal the ACA 33 times, really feels like Groundhog Day.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 5:33 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    Nope, sometimes I talk sports or religion.

    Anyway what we have here is that Romney wants to assert that despite all the titles he still had, all the SEC filings made, all the meetings he phoned or flew into, and all the times he had to sign stuff... he was not involved in the decision making. Now, I can accept the idea that he wasn't the main guy in charge those years, but the idea of him having zero involvement at all in decision making... doesn't fit well with all that we know about this.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 13, 2012 5:28 p.m.


    Though most (lay)people wouldn't consider Staples not a business entity of Bain, I'll accept Factcheck's explanation now that they addressed the issue of Romney's testimony. Factcheck: "We THINK the term “Bain Capital entity” on Romney’s disclosure forms COULD ONLY refer to Bain’s various investment funds, not to companies in which it invested."

    So, they are giving Romney the benefit of doubt.

    Can you recognize the truth? I'll assume going forward you will accept Factcheck's evaluations of statements made by Romney.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    July 13, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    We don't have any idea what he went to Massachusetts for (health care?) or what kind of influence he had over the day-to-day people who did run Bain. But if money is involved, the person who has most of it is usually the one with the most influence, at least in private enterprise and individual partnerships, am I not correct? So it would then follow that if Romney made, shall we say, a "strong suggestion" that something be taken care of or done in a certain fashion, and he were the one with most of the money and power, then it would most likely be done. Now, use your head. You're one of those people around that table. What would your reaction be--and remember, your job, benefits, family's nice lifesyle, are all at stake, too, and Romney admits he likes to fire people who provide services but not to his liking--now, what do you say?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    Facts on the ground are that Romney still had major titles in the company during those three years, signed his name on plenty of forms and filings, and would fly or call in for meetings. Does that sound like someone who has no role in Bain for those three years? Sure you can argue he wasn't leading Bain, but he absolutely still had some influence in it during those years with all the boards he was on.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    BO and his ilk would not know the truth if it bit them. Then they would not recognize it as truth, only that they were bitten.

    No fit in St.George
    The 2012 presidential race is not for a spot in heaven.

    Can you not distinguish between the board of Bain and the boards of companies in which Bain invested? They are NOT the same.

    atl134 - I think I figured out you moniker
    134% of the time.

    Did I nail it?

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    July 13, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    As one who has no sympathy for Romney's politics I think this flap is silly. Who cares when he left Bain. There are real issues for them to talk about and neither candidate is doing it.
    How are they going to reduce the national debt? How are they going to get out of the wars? Do we need more tax cuts for the wealthy, or anyone else for that matter? How about the 1/6 of our population that doesn't have enough to eat? Do we really need a military bigger than the next eight countries combined?
    If you believe supply side economics(Reagonomics, trickle down) will help the the most Americans, vote for Romney. If you think growth is stimulated by increased demand(Keynes) maybe you should think about Obama. However, let's talk about real issues, not this fluff.

    July 13, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    atl134 @ 2:55 pm, give it up already. Your comment/comeback is as weak as the dems trying to lie about Romney's involvment with Bain. Leave it to dems to lie about the opponent or come up with some other excuse, rather than trying to run on their own record. Oh, wait, they have nothing to run on. So let's lie about Romney instead.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Interestingly enough, what this shows me is that the Obama campaign is either: (a) unaware of how businesses work, (b) intentionally misleading the American public, assuming we're too daft to tell an obvious lie from truth when we see it, or (c) both.

    On all accounts, it's offensive.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    How do you unring a bell?

    The Obama campaign knows you can't. Their purpose has been served.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    In Obama's campaign, truth is the first casualty. This is not change we can believe in. It's Chicago-style politics. Our president needs to be retired and his VP returned to oblivion.

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    @no fit in SG:

    "What's that old saying... Something about a 'rich man, heaven and the eye of the needle...'"

    You must be speaking of Obama who must have millions by now. He makes $400,000/year as president and we, the hapless taxpayers, fund his and his family's vacations, overseas trips, and golf outings.

    Perhaps we need to think about investigating the guy who had shady dealings with the likes of William Ayers and Tony Rezko.

    Oh, and another thing, what about Obama's questionable SS number? His number starts with '042' a exclusive to Connecticut, a state he's never been in. Why hasn't the hot shot Democrat investigators looked into that?


    "The Obama campaign does not care about truth and honesty..."

    True. The Democrat tactic seems to be to throw anything against the wall to see how much of it will stick. That's their primary MO, especially when they have a failed presidency.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    "During an interview with MSNBC's Ed Schultz, Obama's campaign press secretary said they won't apologize."

    Why should they? A lie can circle the globe twice before the truth can put on its shoes. Obama and his surrogates will do anything and everything they can to try to distract attention from the mess he's made of the economy.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    "Campaigns are supposed to be hard fought, but statements like those made by Stephanie Cutter belittle the process and the candidate on whose behalf she works."

    Romney fundraises with the most prominent birther in the nation. If he doesn't like it, he can deal.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    July 13, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    A recent political cartoon appeared in the Orlando Sentinal:

    Mr. Obama is standing in front of a group of people and one asks, "With only 80,000 jobs created last month, and unemployment at 8.2%, what is your plan of action?"

    Mr. Obama replies, "I'm calling for Romney to release his tax records."

    So, again, another diversion tactic swallowed lock, stock, and barrel by the President's faithful hordes. Another attempt to smear Mr. Romney's integrity by releasing information that is known to be factually inaccurate.

    One of my kids high school teachers once said in his classroom, "Mormons are like Nazis." After my wife and I talked with him, he apologized to his class. The problem is, those kids will never remember the apology but only that he said, "Mormons are like Nazis."

    This is the game being played by the president. He is counting on the fact that everyone will remember the "facts" and forget about how inaccurate they are.

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    @ Henry Drummond

    The big outsourcing started after 1999 under the control of the new management (majority Democrats as a side note.)

    Obama was trying to pin those decisions on Romney since before 1999 it was more growth for mainly American jobs.

    It's pretty much Obama's entire attack line right now actually. But it doesn't hold water.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 13, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Why are Romney and his supporters so anxious to distance the Republican Candidate from Bain? Any chance that the stories of outsourcing American jobs to China and laying off workers at profitable companies to make a quick profit are true? I thought Bain was job creating machine for America. You can't have it both ways.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    The Obama campaign does not care about truth and honesty (frankly, most politicians don't, see: the Romney walking the health care tightrope), but this is a new low. It is completely misleading and off-topic for what the campaign ought to be about. Sadly, they understand that only the headlines matter, the truth and details do not. Politics is no longer about ideas and policy, just branding and marketing.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    July 13, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    It's called chicago politics!

    7/12/12 1:50 PM EDT
    Bain Capital sends the following statement, following today's Boston Globe article reporting that MItt Romney was CEO there until 2002:
    Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in February 1999 to run the Olympics and has had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure. Due to the sudden nature of Mr. Romney's departure, he remained the sole stockholder for a time while formal ownership was being documented and transferred to the group of partners who took over management of the firm in 1999. Accordingly, Mr. Romney was reported in various capacities on SEC filings during this period."

    For you above, I don't know what in the world you are reading, try reading the truth.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    July 13, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    Eeeks! Romney was on the Board of Directors of some of the companies, but NOT Bain. He left in February 1999 after only 7 days to take over the Olympics because he was needed right away. The current directors of Bain, (2 dems) 1 of them a bundler for obama said he left in Feb and had no say in anything from then on, no phone calls, no nothing. It took a while to do the necessary things for the company so that the others could take over. They didn't think it was a great rush because he was gone and had nothing more to do with Bain.

    If you can't believe a bundler for obama, who the heck can you believe?

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    "CNN's John King looked at the Globe story as well, finding four sources with firsthand knowledge of Bain's operations at the time, all of whom said Romney is telling the truth about his departure date. Three of the four are Democrats, King reported, and two are active Obama supporters."

    If liberal CNN and four Democrats say Romney is telling the truth, what more do you want? These people have nothing to gain by lying for Romney.

    Where Obama, running from his own record, has everything to gain by lying.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    To: no fit in SG...
    You just don't get it. This article and many others are showing and proving that the Obama claims and their rhetoric about Mitt Romney continue to be false and misleading. When proven fact-checking organizations check out Obama's claims, they are inevitably shown to be false and/or very misleading. It's people like you who don't bother to finish reading an article or doing any further research that are falling for Obama's misleading claims.
    As stated late in this article, Obama's camp seems to be hitting a new low with it's political ethics in making claims they know to be false. Politics can be a dirty game, but Obama is making it dirtier than ever. His hands are filthy! He can't win on his own merits (which are obviously lacking), so he resorts to trying to smear his opponent with unfounded allegations and false rumors. Pathetic!
    Anyone who does their research now has more reason than ever to distrust Obama and want him out of office. Almost no one can claim they are better off now than they were 4 years ago when Obama took office.

  • non believer PARK CITY, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    This is all fair game it seems in Politics.... With all of the half truths being generated by the SuperPac's, this is just another example of one! Both sides are taking bits and peices and touting them as truth. I do not agree with it, but for one side to yell foul is truly a laughing matter. Democrats and Republicans are both guilty!

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    July 13, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    "CEO and Chairman of the Board and he was legally responsible for every investment and decisions made by Bain." Democrats are suddenly interested in ethics and whose responsible and they want answers! Well so do Americans...The President of the US is responsible for every decision made by the government...Bailouts, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, Foreign investment of US tax money...we want answers now! Obama is the president who should practice what he preaches...whoops, except he mocks people who cling to their bibles. Sorry "preaches" was a bad choice of words.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 13, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Well, there are unanswered questions and the picture is as clear as mud. Namely, Romney testified in a 2002 Massachusetts Ballot Commission Hearing that he regularly traveled back and forth between MA and UT and attended board meetings of some of the corporations Bain invested in.

    Are we to believe that attending board meetings as CEO, Chairman and sole stockholder doesn't mean you are involved?

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    July 13, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    What's that old saying...
    Something about a "rich man, heaven and the eye of the needle..."
    Each day, more and more is out there on Romney's secret and questionable past.
    Even the DN is forced to cover this in a way that they have not done previously.