About Utah: Utes abandoning their culture in suspending rivalry with BYU

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  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    July 19, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    Wow, there are a lot of byu fans crying about this but Lee Benson wins the Biggest Cry Baby award. BTW Lee, not everyone is sad that there will be no game anymore. Most people I've talked to are happy about it. I personally am glad there won't be a game for two years, and frankly I wish the rivalry would die completely. This rivalry is not fun. Despite the fact that Utah has owned the series for the past 10 years, I still do not find the games fun to watch. The whining from both sides just gets old. Both schools just need to move on. Neither school owes the other anything.

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    July 16, 2012 9:55 p.m.

    A few things...

    Both Utah and BYU were well qualified to join the PAC. But, BYU never had a chance as faith based institution. That's it, it's not because Utah is a "research institution". When The PAC was inviting Texas and Oklahoma, Baylor was left out for the same reason.

    The game should be played every year, at the end of the year. Utah should play Colorado earlier in the season to make space for the game vs BYU. It could be done.

    That's it. Just my two cents.

    July 16, 2012 11:55 a.m.



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  • John S. Harvey Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2012 8:04 a.m.


    It will be interesting to see how BYU's football team fairs over the next decade. Whether it continues as an independent or joins some conference it likely won't ever again be in the same conference with U of U. The U of U is trying a new strategy (and it doesn't include BYU). As a result BYU is stuck reacting to the U of U's choices.

    I personally don't care a lot for either school (go USU), but I think it will be very instructive/entertaining to watch BYU deal with rough realities of independence.

  • ET Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 15, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    Hey Utah, how's that bowl of pottage working out for u?

  • jheileson96 SYRACUSE, UT
    July 15, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    This doesn't even make sense at all. I'm a Utah fan and I love the rivalry. But we're really going back 2 years to argue that BYU was the Pac's choice over Utah? BYU was not ever invited. It never got to negotiating the Sundays issue. In the article he says that Kyle runs the best program this side of Tuscaloosa and yet says BYU has the better program. Sure BYU had a better program for 20+ years under Lavell but no one ever talks about the 60 years before that. And since Lavell it's been fairly even if not better for the Utes. In the last few years it's no question (ex. 7 of last 10). I really wish the rivalry could stay but I see why it won't and BYU needs to grow up and get over the fact that they got left out of the PAC-12. BYU would be doing the same exact thing if this was reversed.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    July 15, 2012 1:11 a.m.

    @ NC FROGS 2010

    "Thanks for the 2 for 1...we'll continue home and homes in 2016 and we'll let you go first!"

    Nice spin! Even though that isn't true. It's like me saying:


    BYU @ Utah

    Thanks for the 1 and done!

    Here are the facts:

    Since Utah joined the Pac-12 and BYU declared Irrelevance. Chris Hill and Tom Holmoe signed a two year agreement.

    Utah @ BYU - 2011
    BYU @ Utah - 2012.

    This week both AD's say they're finalizing a contract to play in 2013 and 2016.

    Utah @ BYU - 2013
    BYU @ Utah - 2016

    I don't know why you think it's a 2 for 1 when only two games are going to be scheduled. But it must be a BYU spin thing. lol.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    That's ONE year. Utah had the 2nd best winning percentage vs BCS teams behind TCU as a mid-major. And that was before we had our best recruiting class.

    If Utah continues to recruit like last year then yes we will be able to compete in the PAC-12. In fact, ESPN thinks Utah will finish 4th this year and that's mostly with MWC talent.

    CORRECTION: BYU is 10-11 vs BCS teams under Bronco. Sorry I counted the Washington win twice.

    So it's laughable to suggest Bronco's team that struggled against WAC teams at HOME would have gone 6-3 in PAC-12 play when he's proven his talent can't win against BCS teams.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2012 6:34 p.m.


    6 of the 9 PAC 12 teams (66%) that Utah faced last season finished with LOSING records, yet U lost to 4 of them and finished with a losing conference record


    Utah hasn't had a road win over a PAC 12 team with a winning record since 1994

    yet you think U can compete???

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 6:10 p.m.


    The point had nothing to do with Utah. It was about BYU's ability to compete in a "major conference".

    My bad, under Bronco BYU is 11-11 vs BCS teams, yet you think they can compete?

    @Mississippi (2-10)W1413
    vs.Washington (7-6)W2317
    @Texas (8-5) L1617
    vs.Utah (8-5) L1054
    @Oregon State (3-9)W3828
    vs. Washington (7-6)W2317
    @Florida State (10-4)L1034
    n. Oklahoma (8-5) W1413
    vs. Florida State (7-6)L2854
    n. Oregon State (8-5)W4420
    @Washington (0-12)W2827
    vs.UCLA (4-8) W590
    n. Arizona (8-5) L2131
    vs. Arizona (5-7) W207
    @UCLA (6-7) L1727
    n.UCLA (6-7) W1716
    @Arizona (6-6) L1316
    @Boston College (10-3)L233
    n Oregon (7-6) W388
    vs.Boston College (9-3)L320
    @Notre Dame (9-3)L2349
    n. California (8-4)L2835

  • NC FROGS 2010 Gilbert, AZ
    July 14, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Utah goes to the pac10.2 and BYU goes Independent before the 2011 season...

    2011 - Utah @ BYU
    2012 - BYU @ Utah
    2013 - Utah @ BYU

    Thanks for the 2 for 1...we'll continue home and homes in 2016 and we'll let you go first!

  • B C Park City, UT
    July 14, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    naval vet

    "those "HALF" that you speak of were Baylor, Tx. Tech, and Baylor. And the truth is, the Pac-12 really didn't want THEM either! The Pac-12 wanted Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, and Oklahoma."

    It's interesting that you list Baylor twice, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't intentionally omit Oklahoma State.

    The truth is, your entire argument is a fabrication.

    The PAC 12 wanted ALL of the Big 12 South teams, except for Baylor, to fulfill Scott's dream of creating the first 16-team "super conference."

    Getting Texas and Oklahoma without the others was never even a remote possibility. Texas was never going without Oklahoma, and Oklahoma was never going without Oklahoma State.

    Colorado wasn't even considered as part of the merger until Scott was forced to find a way of excluding private, religiously-based Baylor.

    Either way, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, both with the EXACT SAME "Research" ranking as BYU, were perfectly acceptable to the PAC 12, debunking the myth that having a particular Research ranking was ever a "requirement" for receiving an invitation to join the PAC 12.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 3:04 p.m.


    "The fans are going to love going to LES each week for 8:30pm Thursday night kickoffs"

    I hate to burst your arrogant little bubble, but BYU's ONLY scheduled Thursday night 8:30ish kickoff is against a PAC 12 team.

    It's funny how reality never seems to match the Utesies' fantasies.

    I'd love to see the faces of PAC 12 fans when they tune in to watch the inaugural PAC 12 Network football game and discover that the "conference-of-chumpions" is force-feeding them Northern Colorado at Utah.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 14, 2012 2:49 p.m.


    "finish the season off with a less than desirable bowl game..."

    I'll take San Diego or San Francisco over El Paso ANY DAY!

    Besides, with Utah's "brutal" PAC 12 schedule, there's no guarantee that the Utes will even be going to a bowl every year - BYU could once again become Utah's bowl game, although, playing your bowl game in September instead of November would be even more depressing for the kids on the hill.

    Keep telling yourself that being a PAC 12 bottom-feeder is great...

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 14, 2012 2:41 p.m.


    "The fans are going to love going to LES each week for 8:30pm Thursday night kickoffs (nobody wants to see the game)."

    The ONLY four Utah games already scheduled for television are all Thursday, Friday or Saturday night kickoffs:

    Current Utah Football Television Schedule 2012

    Thursday, Aug 30, 5:30 p.m. - Northern Colorado (PAC 12 fans will certainly be rushing home from work to catch that barnburner) - PAC 12 Network

    Friday, Sep 7, 6:00p.m. - @Utah State - ESPN2

    Saturday, Sep 15, 8:00p.m. - BYU (The best U could do was a late Saturday night kickoff?) - ESPN2

    Thursday, Oct 4, 7:00p.m. - USC - ESPN


    Current BYU Football Television Schedule 2012

    Thursday, Aug 30, 8:15p.m. - Washington State - ESPN

    Saturday, Sep 8, 1:00p.m. - Weber State - BYUtv

    Saturday, Sep 15, 8:00p.m. - @Utah - ESPN2

    Thursday, Sep 20, 7:00p.m. - @Boise State - ESPN

    Friday, Sep 28, 6:00p.m. - Hawaii - ESPN

    Friday, Oct 5, 8:15p.m. - Utah State - ESPN/ESPN2

    Saturday, Oct 20, 3:30p.m. - @Notre Dame - NBC

    SIX nationally televised ESPN/ESPN2/NBC BYU games already scheduled.

    Enjoy trying to find Utah's subscription-only PAC 12 regional channel games.

  • B C Park City, UT
    July 14, 2012 2:22 p.m.


    "Research" isn't the primary mission of BYU, but it is an important part of the university.

    On the other hand, in BYU's primary mission, undergraduate education, BYU is significantly better than the U in higher admission standards and academic achievement, it's not even close.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 14, 2012 1:51 p.m.


    "I love the optimistic attitude BYU fans have for future BYU football schedules...it is kind of cute and naive. The most BYU can hope for is 3 or 4 solid opponents..."

    BYU's schedule for 2013 already includes (record in 2011): Texas(8-5), Boise State(12-1), @Utah State(7-6), Georgia Tech(8-5), Utah(8-5), @Houston(13-1), @Notre Dame(8-5), and @Hawaii(6-7).

    By any measure, that's AT LEAST 6 solid opponents, including 3 or 4 that could easily be ranked in the Top 25, and, depending on how the season plays out, every one of them could be a "solid" opponent.

  • Vinchenzo Provo, UT
    July 14, 2012 1:40 p.m.


    I don't think you want to start comparing research between the schools. BYU can't come close to Utah's patents and income from research. Someday, just like in football, little brother BYU might get a small taste of the success Utah regularly enjoys. For now, BYU should just be happy settling for the table scraps. Keep telling yourself independence is great...

  • Vinchenzo Provo, UT
    July 14, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    I love the optimistic attitude BYU fans have for future BYU football schedules...it is kind of cute and naive. The most BYU can hope for is 3 or 4 solid opponents each season and then finish the season off with a less than desirable bowl game. The fans are going to love going to LES each week for 8:30pm Thursday night kickoffs (nobody wants to see the game).

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 14, 2012 1:20 p.m.


    lol at your "BCS" calibre teams reference

    Utah fans love to apply labels, and then parse the results into factors that make the Utes look good.

    Here are the actual, undoctored numbers:

    versus BCS teams
    BYU 2-2 (50%)
    Utah 5-5 (50%)

    Some of BYU's "non-BCS" opponents, #20 TCU and #35 Tulsa

    were BETTER than almost ALL of Utah's "BCS" opponents, #38 California, #41 Arizona State, #44 Washington, #56 Georgia Tech, #64 Arizona, #66 UCLA, #87 Oregon State, #107 Colorado.

    Of course, the raw numbers don't consider the fact that Kyle often loses to conference bottom-dwellers and 10-loss teams, while Bronco NEVER loses to conference bottom-dwellers and 10-loss teams.

    During their tenure in the MWC, Kyle lost to CSU, Wyoming, NM, and UNLV; Bronco was undefeated against those same teams.

    Bronco would have beaten #41 Arizona State, #44 Washington, #56 Georgia Tech, #64 Arizona, #66 UCLA, #87 Oregon State, and #107 Colorado, and would probably have beaten #38 California.

    Already in the PAC 12, Kyle has lost to bottom-dweller Colorado, and barely survived losing to bottom-dweller Washington State in OT.

    Sorry to burst your midpacmajor-bubble.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    @Solomon the Wise

    Sorry to disappointment U, but BYU isn't interested in learning what it's like to be a mid-major program in a major conference.


    Actually, I think we have a good idea of how BYU would compete in a major conference:

    A) BYU has a losing record vs BCS teams
    B) Last year went 2-3 against BCS caliber teams, the only wins were over 2-10 Ole Miss and 3-9 Oregon State.
    C) Under Bronco the talent at BYU is on par with Washington State according to the NFL draft

    Sorry to burst your bubble but in the BCS era BYU was the 4th best mid-major behind TCU, Boise, and Utah.

    It seems three of those teams "deserved a call up to the next level". I'll let you guess which one is still in "discussions".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    BYU's discovery of the an enzyme and a gene called Cox 2 ...


    Utah's discovery of "cold fusion"

    No research at BYU?


    Sorry but that's not how you measure the amount of research that is conducted at a given university.

    Try to search the internet for the following paper: "Top American Research Universities 2010 Annual Report".

    Then please come back and post the difference between the research at the University of Utah and BYU.

    Why are you crying about your "entitlement" demands to us?

    If your overall athletic program is so elite why aren't you playing in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC?

    The Ute Nation isn't stopping you from joining the big boys. It's the big boys that haven't given you the invite.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 14, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Solomon the Confused:

    "HALF of the Big 12 South teams are in the SAME 'Research' classification as BYU - RU/HR."

    I don't know if you don't really understand, or DO, but hope readers on this thread don't is those "HALF" that you speak of were Baylor, Tx. Tech, and Baylor. And the truth is, the Pac-12 really didn't want THEM either! The Pac-12 wanted Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, and Oklahoma.

    Contrary to your position, it wasn't Texas A&M that pulled out at the last minute. It was Texas. A&M always preferred the SEC. Scott knew that Texas and Oklahoma wouldn't migrate west unless he allowed them to bring Tech and State with them. The Red Raiders and the Cowboys were "baggage"; not schools preferred to Utah or Colorado. CU hated the unequal revenue sharing in the Big 12, and the majority of their alumni lived in the Pac-12's footprint (as opposed to Baylor's), so Scott knew he could get them.

    "Religious bigotry" has been nothing but an apologist's excuse for being NOT WANTED!

    Mid-majors forever.

  • CG Orem, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:04 a.m.


    Pfizer, BYU settle Celebrex lawsuit for $450M

    BYU claimed in the lawsuit filed in October 2006 that professor Daniel Simmons had discovered an enzyme and a gene called Cox 2 that would allow for development of an anti-inflammation drug that did not have the long-term side effects of aspirin. The school entered into a contract with Monsanto for a joint research project to develop a drug with BYU supposed to receive royalties.

    The Provo school claimed that discovery was a key to development of Celebrex but Monsanto, which eventually became part of Pfizer, arbitrarily canceled the contract, did not place Simmons on patents and misappropriated his work to create the drug. The product was one of the most financially successful of all time, bringing in revenues of perhaps $35 billion, according to court papers.



    BYU's discovery of the an enzyme and a gene called Cox 2 that would allow for development of an anti-inflammation drug that did not have the long-term side effects of aspirin


    Utah's discovery of "cold fusion"

    No research at BYU?

    BYU is involved in lots of research, it's just not BYU's primary mission.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 14, 2012 10:31 a.m.


    Actually none of the "other" olympic sports "go to" utah. They all "go to" BYU. BYU is superior in all of them.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 14, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    @aloha st. george

    BYU beating utah does no more to elevate them than BYU beating washington st or oregon st. In otherwords it is not much in the way of a resumke enhancement, it is simply a good win against an ok team. Nothing more.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 14, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    @spokane ute

    Of course Benson is talking about the overall athletic programs of the 2 schools, not the result of one game from one season. He is correct by the way, it isn't even debatable. BYU's overall athletic program is so superior to the utes that I'm not even sure utah is Lithuania to BYU's Germany. I do love how utah "fans" like yourself just ignore the actual point and then try to highlight the one and only thing you have to try and make it seem different that reality. Funny Stuff to be sure.


  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 14, 2012 10:19 a.m.


    "BYU will always have great teams like Idaho, New Mexico St., Delta High School."


    ONLY if by "always" you mean between September and November of THIS YEAR.

    Conversely, Utah intends to continue scheduling 2 or 3 cupcakes like Northern Colorado every year to balance their "brutal" schedule against all of those 4-win, or fewer, PAC teams.



    unlike Utah, which has padded its lifetime record with FOURTEEN high schools, the YMCA, the 9th Cavalry, the Diamond Butchers, Fort Douglas, All Hallows, the Crescents, and the Hawaii National Guard,

    BYU has never played a high school team.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:46 a.m.


    It's laughable that you conveniently chose to omit U.S. News & World Report's rankings (the oldest and most comprehensively researched U.S. university rankings) completely out of your citations, since U.S. News concentrates more on undergraduate studies - SAT/ACT scores, GPAs, scholarship and grant information, and graduation rates - BYU's primary emphasis, and the area of study most applicable to the vast majority of students who attend both universities:

    Schools in the National Universities category, such as the University of Pennsylvania and Duke University, offer a full range of undergraduate majors, master's, and doctoral degrees. These colleges also are committed to producing ground breaking research

    #71 BYU
    #124 Utah

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Except for a few, the game doesn't really matter. It had become so divisive that it transcended sportsmanship and the enjoyment of collegiate athletics. Calling it a holy war was the last straw. Neither BYU or Utah is going out of business because of the decision to cancel the game.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:22 a.m.


    "If you honestly believe that BYU would have gotten into the PAC had it not been for BYU not wanting to play on Sunday, you are absolutely delusional. The PAC-12 is not just an athletic conference. It's an academic, and more specifically, a RESEARCH conference."

    There are 108 institutions that are classified as "RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)" in the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education. There are 99 institutions that are classified as "RU/HR: Research Universities (high research activity)."

    The PAC 12 - Big 12 South merger, that was nearly a done deal before Texas A&M pulled out, included:

    Baylor - RU/HR
    Oklahoma - RU/VH
    Oklahoma St - RU/HR
    Texas - RU/VH
    Texas A&M - RU/VH
    Texas Tech - RU/HR

    HALF of the Big 12 South teams are in the SAME "Research" classification as BYU - RU/HR

    Before the merger was finalized, Scott hastily invited Colorado (a public school) to replace Baylor (a private religious school) in order to exclude Baylor.

    Sunday play wasn't the only issue, the religious bigots in the PAC 12 simply didn't want to associate with a private religious school.

  • Vinchenzo Provo, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    @sammyg- let's see...USC, Oregon, UCLA...Michigan. BYU will always have great teams like Idaho, New Mexico St., Delta High School.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    The real winners in Utah's membership in the PAC 12? The student athletes from the high schools in this State. They now have a real chance to compete at the highest level. The Utah vs BYU "war games" did nothing to enhance the culture of this State.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 14, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    And the Big 10 has decided that something is not to their liking in the PAC 10.2.
    What big storied programs will come to RES now?

    Colorado, Northern Colorado, Mesa State, Pueblo CC?


  • BigB Pleasantville, NJ
    July 14, 2012 12:49 a.m.

    Boo, hoo, hoo!

  • Crabbers SLC, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    If you honestly believe that BYU would have gotten into the PAC had it not been for BYU not wanting to play on Sunday, you are absolutely delusional.

    The PAC-12 is not just an athletic conference. It's an academic, and more specifically, a RESEARCH conference. 11/12 schools in the PAC-12 are top-50 research institutions, including #s 1 and 2 public research institutions. In the year the contract was signed, all 12 schools were in the top-50. Do you think that Colorado got in for their recent football? No, they got in for their #17 research institution ranking - 1 spot above ASU. BYU is not a research university.

    This is also ignoring other academics, which - according to every single university ranking system not run by US New - Utah blows BYU out of the water. Don't believe me? Academic Ranking of World Universities has Utah at 79, BYU in the 301-400 range. QS Top Universities has Utah ranked 288, BYU ranked 601+. Times Higher Education has Utah ranked 113, BYU doesn’t make the top 400. Forbe’s America’s Best Colleges has Utah at 158, BYU at 249.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:32 p.m.


    Gotta love the whimpy strawmen Utah fans are constantly throwing up to bolster their feeble arguements.

    BYU wasn't invited to the PAC 12 for one reason, and one reason only - religious bigotry.

    The PAC 12 had no problem taking Oklahoma State as part of the Big 12 South package, but Scott launched a pre-emptive strike in pre-maturely inviting Colorado, to shut religious-based Baylor out of the package.

    BYU has already advanced far beyond "mid-major" status.

    Show me a mid-major that has

    - a National Championship
    - a Heisman Trophy winner
    - 15 National Individual Award recipients
    - 6 National College Football Hall of Fame players
    - 18 Top 25 Finishes in the last 35 years (that's over 50%)
    - an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN
    - their own state-of-the-art HD television studio and nation-wide network (available in over 60 million homes)
    - a national fanbase to support their nation-wide network

    BYU = Independent
    Utah = dependent

    Sorry to disappointment U, but BYU isn't interested in learning what it's like to be a mid-major program in a major conference - fortunately for U, you're used to being a conference bottom-dweller.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    July 13, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    Y little brother in Sandy,

    News flash it is PAC 12 big brother Utah dumping mid majory WACalicous little brother BYU not the other way around. I must admit whole desperate digs from the Coug masses amuses me greatly, the illogic of it all; keep trying.

    July 13, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    Amen Mr. Benson.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:45 p.m.


    Nice try little brothers, but as long as BYU-obsessed fans like U are around, you'll always be BYU's little brother - BYU is the gold standard by which U judge success or failure.

  • JaceMan Goodyear, AZ
    July 13, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    What this guy and others are missing is the forest from the trees - in the summer of 2010, there was a tectonic shift between the two schools and athletic programs. Utah's trajectory changed. Each year, Utah will get better because of good leadership (Hill/Whitt) and more $$$. BYU leaders and fans are feeling it now and it will get worse every year. They will simply not be able to keep up with the $$$, exposure, and competition Utah will get in the Pac12 every year. They can feel it and it's driving them nuts that they cannot do anything about it.

    Chris Hill just pointed out the reality that occurred back in the summer of 2010 - BYU needs Utah but Utah no longer needs BYU. The first part of that was even stated (without names) in this article when he says that BYU must have quality programs fit them into their schedule or they are sunk. Utah has TEN of those games assured each year - nine Pac12 and one Big10. The distance between the schools and athletic programs will grow each year and especially gain momentum once Utah gets their full share of Pac12 $$$ in 2014.

  • charlie24 Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    UofA and ASU left the WAC in 1978, moving up from the ranks of mid-major to elite. I remember as Utah fans, we envied their fortune but also understood there were growing faster than us. Don’t remember much whining. At the time, playing ASU was much bigger than playing BYU – still is.
    The reality is elite conference members do not play home and home with mid-majors. BYU accepts this from all other elite conference members but do not from Utah. Can BYU simply insist that Utah grant such an uncommon request?

  • charlie24 Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    Another, more correct perspective:
    BYU had the better football program. For 2 decades out of 100 years. In the 90s Ronny made it an even deal. In the last 10 years, Utah took a giant step above the others in the MWC and BYU. BYU has threatened to sue to get what Utah earned – trips to the BCS bowls. Utah’s highs were beyond any experience BYU has ever had. The Pac10 and all other BCS conferences never wanted BYU. Big difference between being mentioned and picked and only those picked will understand this concept. BYU once had a chance to break out of the mid-major level, but that chance began to fade in the 90s and got up and left town after 2000.
    USU has been Utah’s rival longer than BYU just not recently. Thankfully, USU did not whine with the change, regretfully BYU cannot take change. BYU was more than happy to impose schedule advantages over USU when they wanted to tailor their schedule. When Utah takes advantage of their newly earned status in the same way, BYU just can’t accept the brutal facts of their current reality.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    July 13, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    If newspaper columnists were countries, lee benson would be Vatican City, the smallest country in the world.

    byu fans, IF byu had been invited to join the PAC-12, they would have jumped at the opportunity. They would have also treated Utah as they did Utah State. You "fans" (or Utah haters) would be defending the reasons byu abandoned the rivalry.

    FYI, byu was not invited to join the PAC-12 because they weren't a research institution and the California schools would have never approved byu even if they had been considered.

    I'm excited to see a school in the state of Utah finally get an opportunity to play in a power conference. Perhaps byu will someday get an opportunity to advance beyond being a mid-major program and then the byu fans will understand.

    Thank you Dr. Hill! Go Utes!!!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2012 7:58 p.m.


    Utes have abandoned Tradition - Spirit - Honor


    Says a fan of a "legacy" program that tried to backdoor the MWC for their own selfish needs.

    "The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported that the WAC's plan to snag BYU — coined "The Project" by Nevada president Milt Glick — went forward in June after the Mountain West added WAC football power Boise State and Utah accepted the Pac-10’s invitation...

    The Tribune reported that WAC officials believe C-USA officials told MWC commissioner Craig Thompson about The Project. That tip, the thinking goes, led Thompson to meet with Comcast executives in Philadelphia about a TV deal and, eventually, invite Nevada and Fresno State to put a wrench in the WAC's [and BYU's] plans."

    Source: Tom Gatto (Sporting News)

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 7:32 p.m.

    There is nothing quite like a cool 12 PAC to make your day. Goooooooo Utes!

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    July 13, 2012 6:37 p.m.


    As a Utah alum, I'm ashamed of what Utah has become since Urban arrived and poisoned the water on the hill. It's embarassing to go to games at RES and see how crude and crass Utah fans have become.

    It's great to be proud of what the Utes accomplished in 2004 and 2008, but a little success has revealed the true nature of Utah's fans and it's ugly. I'm afraid that all of the bridges the Utes are burning in their vain attempt to make themselves feel better and more important than their long-time rivals will eventually come back to haunt them.

    What goes around, comes around, and the Utes may find themselves in short supply of friends when they need them.

    July 13, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    You sadly prove my point. I wish you the best of luck and off you go on me. I say that I will miss our rivalry and you want to talk about all those other teams and how hated BYU is.

    See the point is this - Without me what would you be saying right now and to whom. SDSU fans? Colorado fans? Doubtful.

    It is fun to have a rival that is worthy and both hated at the same time. What I am willing to do is admit this. You on the other hand don't. If you truly don't care then don't say anything. Move on in silence and class.

    If not then just admit it. Nothing brings you greater joy then the fact Utah beat BYU last year. I do not see any chat boards talking about the big win over UCLA.

    But as you insist on remaining angry towards the cougars. I can only do this, Good luck and farewell.

    As I am no longer your rival I wish you well - you on the other do not seem to be able to let me go. Sad for you.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    July 13, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    I agree with many points of the article, but it did sound whiny. It is a bummer, but I am over it.

    He was talking about sports programs overall, not football. BYU's athletic program is superior to Utah. Don't get mad; it is a fact. In the AD cup standings, which is based on national rankings, BYU finishined 47th this year with 565 points. The U finished 74th with 260 points. Note there were 8 other PAC schools ahead of BYU, so I am not saying BYU should brag - BYU used to be in the 30's regularly until they started scoring men's volleyball differently.

    Utah rode the strength of their football team into the PAC. Some have said Chris Hill sacrificed all other sports for football, but I think it is not a bad plan. Football is the foundation and the rest of the sports can follow. If they do, the athletic dept will at least be like the mid level PAC schools U of A, ASU, UW, UO and if they thrive they can catch the elite - Stanford, Cal, USC, and UCLA.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    Utah = Selfishness - Arrogance - Cowardice

    Sorry if the truth hurts, but that is the only "legacy" Utah has going forward, because the

    Utes have abandoned Tradition - Spirit - Honor


    It's laughable how quickly Utah fans have turned on the media now that the honeymoon is over and the media has stopped fawning all over the Utes.

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    July 13, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    Many great memories from rivalry games of the past and I would have no issues if it remained uninterrupted, but what culture exactly is Utah moving away from? Status as a big fish in a mid-major pond? Associated with byu regularly?

    More association with the PAC12 and less association with byu and its culture is a big plus for Utah on the national landscape. Relevance trumps culture (especially the weirdness down south). BTW, I too will not fall for the "Utah made it because Texas said no" misinformation...pure speculation no more or less valid than the speculation that Utah was coming in with 5 Big 12 teams (actually much more credible given the current situation). But hey re-write history when it is inconvenient...don't let journalism get in the way Mr. Benson.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    July 13, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    So much for Utah's safety net. Now, when they get their butts handed to them in the PAC and go 6-6 or 5-7 every year, they can't look at a trouncing of BYU and say, "well the season wasn't a total loss. We beat BYU...."

  • sportsfan2k10 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    54-10... Do you know how bad that hurts the Utes strength of schedule rating? We have 9 games against Pac-12 teams and maybe 6 teams will be quality opponents. That means we need at least 1-2 more quality opponents to be able to compare to the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and fellow Pac-12 schools. So we schedule games with Michigan. We don't have games to waste on BYU.

    July 13, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    Another typical article by Good Ol' Lee, trying to build up BYU at the University of Utah's expense.

    As a writer for the Deseret News, he knows where his bread is buttered.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 3:12 p.m.


    "...I wouldn't mind if we NEVER played Utah in any sport ever again...Why should BYU be concerned about maintaining a relationship with Utah..."

    Too late! You're not breaking up with us! WE already dumped YOU!


  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    BYU Joe:

    "As we are no longer rivals, I expect that you should exhibit class and grace and wish me the same."

    Really? You think that the only reason Ute fans don't like the Indy-WACers was because we played in the same conference? Wow! You just don't get it do you. I don't hate SDSU, UNLV, Wyoming, CSU, AFA, or TCU. THEY weren't high maintenance, selfish, arrogant, cheap shot, sore losers like YOU (and UNM) were. Not liking the cougars isn't a "Utah" thing. If it was, then "Sports Illustrated" would never have written an article about how you were the most hated team in America. If you want to be liked, you have to change YOURSELF. Not your conference.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    July 13, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Nice piece of fiction Lee Benson. File it in either the Fantesy or Bitter section of the library.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    CO Ute:

    "Remember that the 'Holy War' hasn't been cancelled, it just has a 2 year break in the schedule. That should give many of you time to get over your hurt feelings, made up scenarios, and unfounded predictions."

    Nope. It'll actually give them plenty of time to invent some NEW ones.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 2:52 p.m.


    "What seems to seep out of most Ute fan posts is a bias (if not hatred) agsinst BYU, and by extension, the LDS Church....That's much sadder than angst over which football team has been/is/will prove better in its respective program."

    Actually, what's "much sadder" are the numbers of cougar fans who insist on playing the martyr's role on a sports thread, and resort to throwing out desperate frantic and emotional hyperbole. Very, very sad indeed.

    (1) Hating the Indy-WACers is NOT an extension of hating the LDS Church.
    (2) You are NOT being persecuted. And ESPECIALLY not the internet. Do you know what "persecuted" means? Read the life story of Joseph Smith. Nobody poured hot tar all over you (or cold beer at RES either for that matter). Nobody shot you in a small prison cell because you bore your testimony. So quit your whining. Quitting shouldn't be too hard for an Indy-WACey person. Remember the 3rd-Qtr last Sept. 17th?

  • Univutes Salt Lake City , UT
    July 13, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    Thanks Lee. I always knew that you were a sub standard jounalist...but now I know that you are a cry baby as well...Does anyone have a crying towel for Baby Benson? Or maybe some common sense? Just for giggles, why don't you list the sports for everyone here that you believe BYU is so far superior to Utah in? Hmmmm...

    Everyone says that BYU provided the inspiration for Utah in football...Well, the same could be said for Basketall. Utah's success in the 90's inspired BYU...What's the difference and who cares.

    Then let's see...Utah has gymnastics and Skiing...BYU has Cross Country and Men's Volleyball...Then you have the other Olympic sports...Some going to Utah, some going to BYU...Sorry, I don't see the disparity..

    Quit making statements that you can't back up with facts...and oh yeah..quit wining like a five year old...so nobody wants to play with you anymore...Get over it!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 13, 2012 2:35 p.m.


    "It's called cowardice."

    You're right...Utah is very scared to play BYU. I'm scared. I'm scared that next year we might only beat you 44-10.

    Yep. BYU - very scary.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    red rocks:

    "The only reason Michigan is playing Utah is because they are trying to rebound from some disappointing seasons the last few years."

    So Michigan is disappointed about winning the Sugar Bowl last season?

    Who knew?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 2:30 p.m.


    "BYU...had supported the utes with TV revenue the past few decades."

    Not so. BOWL revenues were evenly distributed to all conference members, but TV revenue was split between the two teams on the field.

    And as far as bowl revenues had gone, the Indy-WACers benefitted from receiving more money from Utah's bowl appearances than the other way around.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    It is a no brainer.
    Schedule a home-and-home with Michigan or BYU?
    Utah did what most schools would do, go with Michigan.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 2:25 p.m.


    "Great article Lee!...You've obviously hit a sore spot for the kids on the hill and their natural reaction is to shoot the messenger, instead of dealing with the real issue: Utah's selfishness, arrogance, and cowardice in abandoning their culture and traditions."

    For starters, there is nothing "cowardly" about scheduling the winningest FBS team in history in lieu of some WAC-ish institution who had posted a .300 record against us these past 10 seasons, including a 44-pt blowout loss to us on their own Home field. And especially not after the team that replaced that WAC-ey program is just now coming off a Sugar Bowl victory. So FAIL.

    And a cougar fan calling anyone out ELSE for being "selfish" and/or "arrogant"? Typical Y-nation hypocrisy. And what's more, even if Utah WAS being "selfish" and/or "arrogant", WE aren't the ones being "abandoned". Therefore, WE don't HAVE to "deal with the real issue". YOU do. Because that's YOUR problem.

    P.S.: Guess why USU fans don't feel sorry for you!

  • Aloha Saint George Saint George, Utah
    July 13, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    What if Utah gets into the the four team playoff?? Or gets into the the championship game in the next couple of years??? I really believe Utah one of the top four in the west (USC, Oregon, Stanford, are 1&2 respectively)

    That fact is that if you want to win, you have to play teams that will get you there.

    If this is going to be fair, I feel conference memberships should be contingent. Washington State should be kick out of the PAC-12 and allow for Boise State and BYU.

    BYU going in right direction, but NOT a contender for National Championship. Utah beating BYU- expected but not helping in points, BYU beating Utah; this hurts Utah more and elevates BYU- which it should. Utah better to play Michigan = increase in credibility

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 1:52 p.m.


    "Utah is now on the same level as Washington State, Oregon State, Colorado State and Arizona State. Not exactly a high profile team...Let us know when they have earned even a slight mention as a top 4 pac team."

    ESPN listed us as a Top-4 Pac-12 program last January. Fail AGAIN!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 1:49 p.m.


    "U had a losing record in what was arguably the worst division in any BCS conference."

    Sure, but that would only be argued by a jealous, frantic and emotional Indy-WACer. Utah is in the Pac-12 South division, and in THAT division we went 3-2. That's a WINNING record. If you take our conference record in its entirety, THEN we have a losing record. Except if you take the whole conference into consideration, then we aren't arguably the worst BCS conference. The worst is the Big [L]East, and the Pac-12 is also ranked ahead of the ACC. Phil Steele ranked the Pac-12 #4, and ESPN ranked them at #3. So FAIL on your part.

  • Pragmatic Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    Benson don't be so serious..it's only a football game. And for that matter "this" football game has diminished in appeal gradually over the last 30 years anyway. Change is inevitable...deal with it. I predict eventually BYU will downplay (if not eliminate) it's football program completely. The BYU football program is difficult to make a success given the number of disparate objectives that it must adhere to.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    Kyle Van Noy will claim the option of the NFL draft after 2012 if he plays great and his surgically-repared shoulder holds up? BYU in 2013 is in so much trouble. They may lose every game, probably will. BYu's recent recruiting classes are a joke at best. Well, they could beat Idaho State if they play really well in 2013.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    I for one will be glad to go to church meetings for two years and not hear some argument about Utah and BYU. Thank you Dr. Hill for giving it a break. The culture and the communities of this state do not need the animosity no matter what you think Lee. And when will the Deseret News and BYU fans get over the fact that Utah was invited to the PAC 12 and not BYU? The decision had a lot more to do with academics, research and a medical school than sunday play.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Utah is gonna put the largest postage stamp on BYu this year and next. BYu can't beat Utah. I hope Kwhit shows no mercy to BYu like he did last year. Utah didn't throw one pass against BYu in the 4th quarter, and BYu threw the ball, or tried to, on every down in the 4th and got creamed and never got close to scoring. In 2013, Utah could beat BYu 108-0 if they wanted to in 2013. BYu has little chance of scoring at all in 2012 at RES. Utah will be ready and will crush BYu, yet again.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 13, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    I appreciate that Lee Benson's article was written tongue in cheek, but I think it should be pointed out that what goes around comes around. The Utah State rivalry went back to 1922 - almost as long as the Utah rivalry. BYU made no apologies about dropping it ten years ago. They only played once in four years and that was a one and done in Provo. Today, the Aggies must agree to a "two for one" if they want a game with BYU. If our friends at the Team Down South wish to axe a rivalry when they feel it is in their best interest, they can hardly blaming Utah for following their example.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    It's called cowardice.

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    The rivalry matters. But Chris Hill alone doesn't bear the blame.

    PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott and the university presidents who allow USC and Stanford to deviate from the November PAC-12 schedule to have games with Notre Dame--they bear much of the blame for refusing to grant Utah a similar exemption to play BYU as its marquee, Thanksgiving weekend, rivalry game. Not sure what motivates this refusal (the mighty SEC grants similar flexibility to allow Fla-FSU, South Carolina-Clemson and other rivalries in November), but the PAC 12 folks are clearly in control of Utah's destiny, rather than the U itself. There will be a lot of short-term revenue and prestige gains for Utah in the PAC 12, but the long-term picture will always keep Utah as the redheaded stepchild of the conference unless it forces a change in November scheduling. Only a consistent history of winning PAC 12 championships will earn Utah this respect--something I don't see happening anytime soon.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    Remember Max Hall? He killed the rivaly. Chris Hill is just the coroner issuing the death certificate.

    After hearing that infamous rant that included the entire university, fans, and alumni, I could care less if Utah ever played BYU again.

  • Ute85 Kaysville, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    Lee Benson you should remember a couple of quotes from the movies:

    1. The Godfather “It's not personal, Lee. It's strictly business”

    2.A League of Their Own “There’s no crying in sports journalism! There’s no crying in sports journalism!”

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    I really have zero interest in the Y/U game anymore unless the Y were to get into the Big12. The U has moved up in the world and the Y has stayed behind so the game is really not that interesting anymore.

    July 13, 2012 11:53 a.m.


    Colorado and Utah were the two schools in the expansion plan for the PAC-10 since the late 70's early 80's, before Chris Hill was AD at the U. Stop with the know-it-all attitude, because you don't know anything about this one.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 11:45 a.m.


    "BYU could never have done in a few short weeks, what they did with Independence, without extensive planning."

    So how much planning IS required to jump out of a conference and schedule a bunch of weak WAC and FCS teams?

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    Naval Vet, some of your points are well taken, but with the BCS breaking up it's hardly something to crow about. And I'll take a Heisman Trophy winner and a Natiobnal Championship over two BCS bowl victories. (See - we're both happy.) If Utah was so deserving, why didn't they get to play Auburn for a national title? See, the BCS is a crummy system, which all you Utes also thought until about a half-second after joining the PAC 10.2. Did Utah finish in the top 25 lasst year? No, of course not, after that grand display against Colorado. Good luck this year. I fear you'll be the Arizona bottom-feeder replacement in PAC football, though, for years to come. Prove me wrong on that count.....

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    My degree from the U is only going up in value every darn day. I'm so glad I went there and learned such valuable information and absorbed such a great education. Geez, all of my professors there were outstanding!!!!!!!!! Goooooo Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    "If BYU and the University of Utah were countries and they held an Olympics, BYU would be Germany, the Utes would be Lithuania...If any school deserved a call-up to the next level, it was the Cougars...But life isn't fair and college football isn't even close. You have to seize your moments when they arrive, like Utah did when it joined the Pac-12, and no one in the state is unhappy they did it." -- Lee Benson

    Are you sure no one in the state was unhappy that Utah joined the Pac-12? Because your article sounded like you needed a kleenex. There sure have been a lot of hand wringing and tears being typed out over the comments section of all U-Y athletics articles coming from the Y-side of this former rivalry over these past couple of years ever since Utah accepted the Pac-10's invitation. Even BEFORE that actually. It started way back during the 2009 football season when we were just being vetted for admission. Duckhunter, sammyg, Yerffoegn, Bluto, CougfaninTX, TheSportsAuthority, phoenix, Hellooo, et al have all been an ocean of tears, so I wouldn't say "no one".

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 13, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    To the BYU fans who are angry or hurt by Utah's decision to not play BYU for two years, I feel for you. Honestly, I get it.

    But I think most of you are missing the boat as to why Utah made the decision it did. Just today, when talking about a related topic, Ted Miller of ESPN said:

    "The alliance, on shaky ground for a while, threatened to create some brutal schedules for Pac-12 teams, which could become a problem as we adopt a four-team playoff starting in 2014. Teams such as USC and Stanford, which already play an annual game with Notre Dame, would be stuck with 11 A-list opponents. No program wants that, even ones that schedule ambitiously."

    While there are more than a few Utah fans who don't consider BYU to be an "A-list opponent," they are wrong. Few if any teams would sign on to play 9 Pac-12 teams, Michigan, and BYU in the same year.

    My vote, for what it's worth, is to renew the rivalry in 2016, and hope the Pac-12 decides to have its members play an 8-game conference schedule.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    "The Utes got into the league because A) Texas didn't want to, B) BYU won't play on Sunday..." -- Lee Benson

    According to Chip Brown at "Orangebloods", Utah would have been invited to join the Pac-10 with or without Texas, so Option A is out. And since Football was the whole point of expansion, the cougars took a backseat ot the Utes anyway. Utah had 2 BCS bowl trophies. The Y had zero. Utah was the nation's winningest non-AQ team vs. schools in the BCS. The Y ranked behind Utah, TCU, Navy, and Fresno St. Utah had the highest postseason winning percentage among all FBS schools with greater than 10 bowl games. The Y's postseason record was well below .400. Utah has more bowl trophies, and owns a generation gap in the all-time series. Utah is a tier-1 research institution. The Y is not. Plus, the Y is known for being a high maintenance member with an inflated sense of itself, and a sense of entitlement. Utah doesn't have that problem.

    Utah got into the league because they were the best option for expansion.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    In all honesty, Utah has a long way to go to be a force on the national stage. Sure, they busted the BCS twice and pounded a Nick Saban-coached undefeated(regular season) SEC Alabama squad in the 2009 Sugar Bowl, but Utah needs to continue strong recruiting, keep the great coaching staff intact and simply win. It is that simple. I'm hoping the mighty Utes do well and I'm also ecstatic at the wonderful progress the U has made in the 21st century. Goooooooooo Utes!!!!!!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    "The Utes got into the league because A) Texas didn't want to, B) BYU won't play on Sunday, and C) Kyle Whittingham runs the best football program this side of Tuscaloosa."

    Isn't this a funny article? Take bits and pieces of truth and post it for the world the see. The problem is that some people believe bits and pieces of the truth.

    "BYU is not in because they don't play on Sunday" may be part of the truth but it isn't the entire story.

    "Texas didn't want to" does not mean that Utah would not have been invited. Speculative at best. Utah was in discussion before Texas.

    "Kyle runs the best program west of Tuscaloosa". The program is run well but why couldn't Lee Benson say, "Due to the success of Utah for the past 12 years, Utah was an attractive team to the Pac 10?" Kyle does not run the best program in the West.

    I still am upset about the rivalry discontinuing. I am looking forward to dishing out more thumpings in the future. There is no reason to discontinue the torture for any reason.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    Good reporting about the lack of respect and nothing being sacred on the hill. I quit going to the game in SLC years ago after watching RES security turn their heads on poor behavior until there were injuries involved. Dr. Hill has made his point; Utah can't afford to lose to BYU so he pulled the plug. He may well wish Colorado wasn't in the same conference with the mighty Utes. Oh well, life goes on without the Utes. It always has. Cougars didn't abandon ship last year and finished in the top 25. Utah lost to Colorado and didn't achieve anything, even though they had a greased schedule to the PAC 12 Inagural Championship Game. We see who was able to deliver and who wasn't, the BYU-Utah game notwithstanding. So goodbye Utes. We'll maybe look at the standings in the newspaper at the end of the year (starting at the bottom of the PAC 12) to see how you fared (yawn).

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 13, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    "Both administrators and both universities need to take better control of the stadiums, so the game is safe. And I would be a proponent, unless that is addressed, not to play the game."

    - Bronco Mendenhall, told to KSL.com, July 27, 2010

    Since neither university has addressed the issue, I guess Bronco is getting what he wants by Utah dropping the series. In fact, maybe we should cancel the 2013 and 2016 games...

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    This is what I got out of the article and most comments:

    "This was supposed to be byU, not Utah! My cougs have dominated for years. The cougs should be in the major conference and be saying NO to the Utes for crying out loud. Let's never play them again"


  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Howard you may be correct, but who is high maintenance now. Really ending the "rivalry" game is good for both schools. The Y becomes the only legitimate place for high quality LDS players, and the U becomes more of what it is and always wanted to be. Perhaps, hard to take at first, but it is time for both to move on.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    By the way BYu fans, the guy that controls BYu's destiny in every way, Thomas S. Monson, is a UTE! Good luck with that BYu faithful!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    Lots of tears from the D News and BYU football "fans" as both continue their struggle to remain relevant.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 13, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    Enough already. If Nebraska-Oklahoma can die, so can BYU-Utah. OTOH, the new playoff system will negate the AQ system. But the top 4 will always be SEC Big10 dominated. An undefeated PAC12 team will get in, but probably not one with a loss. You'll probably see two SEC teams, one Big 10, and whoever is undefeated from the rest. I like BYU's chances of getting a bid better than Utah's. Unless you're USC, or can pull an Oregon for a few years, Utah will be just another middle tier team on the left coast, ignored by the east coast media. Sorry Utes, you're just another state university, ho hum.

    BYU really does have bigger fish to fry. I'm looking forward to seeing what to do over the next ten years.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    Let's get some perspective here.........The LDS Church recently built and paid for a $3 billion mall in downtown SLC. Do you think that those men that head the LDS Church are remotely concerned about a $6 million BYu/ESPN TV deal? That is laughable. BYu fans had better hope that the gentlemen that own your school don't get tired of getting dissed any further, or they will pull the plug on BYu sports just like they did at Rick's College.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    July 13, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    To all Utes who say that BYU would have done the same to Utah - unfortunately we will never know. However, I am fairly confident that BYU would not have snubbed the century-long relationship with Utah the way Utah did with BYU.

    HOWEVER, as a BYU fan, after seeing how Utah has displayed an absolulte disregard for traditon and its relationship with BYU, I wouldn't mind if we NEVER played Utah in any sport ever again. Loayality is an extremely important character trait in any relationship and the Utes obviously don't have it. Why should BYU be concerned about maintaining a relationship with Utah, particularly when Hill and Whittingham, the instigators of this debacle, are still around???

    The last thing I want to see at this point is BYU bending over backwards to do anything for our previous "friends" in Salt Lake City.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    The U is "red hot" right now. Now that we are part of the 12 PAC, Utah is building new law and dental schools, a $137 million world-leading bio research facility, athletic dept. facilities galore, etc.......Man O man it is great being a Ute these days! Gooooooooooooo Utes!

  • Independence Is Bliss San Jose, CA
    July 13, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Spot on article. To all the utes getting your underwear wadded up over it, tell me what about thus article isn't true? This is nothing more than an article that points things out exactly how they are. If you don't agree with that, you need to check your "delusion meter" because it's probably off the charts.

  • BigUtahFan BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    Coug fans/ media hacks are foaming at the mouth about this. It's pretty funny.

    Utah did what was in their best interest and byU has done that for years. We know that all-around byU has the better Olympic programs because it has the money to fund them. Utah now will have that money.

    byU did this to themselves with what they did in last years game. Taking clear cheapshots at Utah players and Bronco coming out saying he was okay with it. Utah doesn't want to risk the health of their players when they don't have to.

    7 Home games a year is what Utah wants as well. Goodbye big bro, you've been a jerk and we're done looking at your face. Oh and thank you for getting us there. We couldn't have done it without you. You deserve all of the credit.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    Let's get this straight! The Big 12 NEVER returned one of Tom Holmoe's frantic calls, NOT ONE. BYU was NEVER considered at all for the Big 12 A month ago, the Big 12 told FSU and Clemson that they were not interested in expanding at this time. Additionally, Deloss Dodds(Texas' AD) stated at the Big 12 meetings that the only school they were interested in was Notre Dame, which they recently courted to join for olympic sports. ND declined and stayed in the Big East for all sports other than football.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    July 13, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Utah has surely abandoned a culture of mediocrity. Had BYU been given the same chance (and please fans--quit rewriting history to make it sound like BYU was offered a place in the Pac 12 but said "no thanks,") they would have abandoned their culture of mediocrity faster than their fans abandoned the LES in the third quarter of last years Utah @ BYU game.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    BYu may have a bigger stadium, but the only game they sold out last year was the Utah game. Utah sold out EVERY game last year and this year as well, and the tickets cost at least twice as much. Utah made way more money at the gate than BYu did. Additionally, Utah's TV contract dwarfs BYU's pittance of a TV deal.

  • Lux et Veritas Draper, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    Lots of bitterness and hyperbole from BYU fans. Since when is BYU so desperate to play Utah? If BYU had gone to the BIG12, I'm confident Tom Holmoe would have made the same decision.

    Turns out independence isn't all it's cracked up to be.

    July 13, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    To every Ute who says "I don't care"

    I hope you will find this much joy and excitement in your new life with Colorado. I doubt you will and I'm sure you will be here all next season talking about us.

    I can admit life is more fun with our rivalry. I am sad to see it go. The fall will not be the same without it.

    But, if this is goodbye, I wish you success and happiness.

    As we are no longer rivals, I expect that you should exhibit class and grace and wish me the same.

    With no more game you should hope only that each team can win as many good games as possible to bring prestige and success to our State.

    Will you do this? I suspect not because deep down you still love to hate BYU and that's okay. I still love to hate you. Its what makes sports great. Rivals are not falsly created, they take generations of great games, families and traditions.

    So if this is the end, farewell my old and worthy enemy - I hope you find what you seek. I admit I will miss you.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    Way to over sensationalize the issue, the worst kind of journalism/commentary/opinion. Comparing suspending the rivalry to suspending christmas or the 4th of July is just silly. Anyone who thinks a college football rivalry has much importance in the grand scheme of things should reconsider their priorities..

  • CrimsonUte Pocatello, ID
    July 13, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    If BYU is Germany and Utah is Lithuania, why are all the BYU media hacks so up in arms?

    The more I see biased, ridiculous media hack jobs like this article, the more I want to see the game take a long hiatus (out of spite).

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Really?? Everyone is so worked up about this? Sheesh. Get a real life and let it go.

  • rogerdodger Logan, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    I like the rivalry and wish the game was played every year. However, things change. BYU fans need to quit whining. If they were so great then the PAC would have invited them. They didn't so get over it. If BYU had been invited the article would read the same but schools names would just be substituted. One thing I did like about the article though is comparing BYU with Germany.In a way I agree with that. BYU lies to Utah State about the WAC. BYU cheats by recruiting other schools players while they are on missions and BYU has Illusions of being the Notre Dame of the west. Lets not kid each other. BYU would do the same thing for a home and home with Michigan. Can't wait for the season to start.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Mcallen, TX
    Wow! BYU has a much bigger stadium and television following, while having had supported the utes with TV revenue the past few decades.

    What are the Utah fans complaining about?
    Nothing. Our $20+ million/year TV contract trumps any TV deal BYU has; don't kid your self!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Great article Lee!

    You've obviously hit a sore spot for the kids on the hill and their natural reaction is to shoot the messenger,

    instead of dealing with the real issue:

    Utah's selfishness, arrogance, and cowardice in abandoning their culture and traditions.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Harrisville, UT
    all you need to know is BYU is Germany and the u is Lithuania. Pretty funny stuff right there.

    I can't recall Lithuania drilling Germany 54-10. The score seems more like Utah is, well Utah, and BYU is Cal Poly Pamona.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 13, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    Wow! BYU has a much bigger stadium and television following, while having had supported the utes with TV revenue the past few decades.

    What are the Utah fans complaining about?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Can anyone imagine how riled up BYU will get during the 2 year suspension of the Holy war after Utah absolutely demolishes BYu this year and next? Oh my goodness? HAHAHA!

    As Hot Rod Hundley would say, "You gotta love it baby!"

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 13, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    "The new UT vs. Colorado rivalry will be the best in the country! Can't wait!"

    *laughing hysterically*

    If U can't even beat the 3-10 Buffs at home, what chance do U have of ever beating them?

    Colorado is still trying to figure out which team is the bigger creampuff - their old in-state rival, who actually gives them some competition once in awhile, or their new "conference rival," who folded like a cheap deck of cards in their first conference meeting.

    What's even more laughable is Utah fans still trolling BYU blogs two years after they supposedly left the Cougars in their dust.

    Actions speak louder than words little brothers.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 13, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    Wow, Lee Benson. That article was...special.

    I bet writing that felt better than a 15-minute cry on some psychiatrist's couch.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    No wonder the Utah County Crisis Center just hired 500+ U med school students to man their hotline phones.

  • Complimentary Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    The new UT vs. Colorado rivalry will be the best in the country! Can't wait!

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Wow, these are some of the most sour grapes I've ever sampled! I wonder if the DNews assigned each sports writer on the team their specific day to opine about this one.

    First off, the rivalry's on hold, not dead for good. The Utes put their rivalry with USU (which predates the Utah/BYU rivalry I might add) on hold for 2 years and brought it back when many thought it would be gone for good. As a Ute fan, I'm fine with taking a break. I think both sides need a breather for a few years.

    Secondly, the PAC-12 didn't just accept the U of U based on their football program. True, BYU may be ahead of Utah in academics, but that's also just one factor of many. The fact is, Utah has a gymnastics programs that is consistently top-ranked, while it's faltered in recent years, their basketball program was well-known throughout the country. The PAC's decision was based on the University as a whole, and they felt Utah was a better fit. Y fans decry Utah all you want, but it doesn't change anything.

    GO UTES!

  • mtseatss Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    Why does the local media and cougar fans continue to embarrass themselves? With grossly inferior funding over the years, the little red train that couldn't did and is has now elected to move on. If it is so beneath you all to have Utah slap you around like a used thrift store rag doll, then man up and deny Utah's dictates - 2013 and 2016. But you won't do that because you live underneath the self inflicted shadow of a scheduling nightmare and in the process have lost your dignity and self respect.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    BYu hasn't beaten a decent team in 15 years. Utah whooped Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Utah also creamed a nobody last year 54-10 on their turf.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 13, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    Interesting how "thin skinned" Ute fans are anymore.

    I know most of you don't like to hear it, but everyone in the sports world - current & former players, coaches, sportswriters, etc. are castigating Utah for throwing away the rivalry for "their own self-interests". And the Utes have been in the PAC12 for how long??? It is amazing how quickly greed and arrogance can set it when the Utes have accomplished absolutely nothing. It is really unlike anything I have ever seen here in the State of Utah, though it is clearly what drives collegiate athletics today.

    Hill's and Whittingham's real legacy - the killing of the rivalry because Utah must protect its only self-interests, whatever that means.

    Enjoy your moment of fame Utes, because your arrogance and pettiness is ultimately going to be the cause of your house of cards crumbling down.

  • AZSouthCougar Sierra Vista, AZ
    July 13, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    BYU BCS 2011 record 2 wins 2 losses.

    UTAH PAC 12 2011 record 4 wins 5 losses. stellar performance UTES.

  • cougarfanzz american fork, UT
    July 13, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    Great article Brother B! These Ute trolls think they are so good but they havent beat anybody! They only got invited to the pac 10.2 because BYU didnt want in! AND THEY NO IT!
    BYU has WON lots and lots more games and championships. And we were top 25 last year. We had lots of quality wins. But Utah lots to Colorado.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 13, 2012 8:11 a.m.

    "BYU doesn't deserve to be granted a high profile game by Utah"?

    Who would that high profile game be with howie?

    U had a losing record in what was arguably the worst division in any BCS conference. U lost to arguably the worst team in the pac in a do or die game and are staring two more probable conference losing records right in the face over the next two years. Your coach and AD are so afraid of the Utes remaining a mediocre or worse team in the pac, that they throw away a great rivalry game to play northern Az for a guaranteed win.

    Utah is now on the same level as Washington State, Oregon State, Colorado State and Arizona State. Not exactly a high profile team. They have several high profile big brothers now but, until they have earned their pay, they are a pretty under the radar team. Let us know when they have earned even a slight mention as a top 4 pac team. Then we can start to consider them on their way to being a "high profile team".

    Too funny!

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    July 13, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    all you need to know is BYU is Germany and the u is Lithuania. Pretty funny stuff right there.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    How many articles can be generated on the subject? The crying and whinning grows old and tiresome. Both schools will be just fine without playing each other. Move on and deal with it; Utah and BYU are heading in differen't directions. Utah has absolutely nothing to gain by playing BYU. Besides, I'd rather see Utah play some one else (aka Michigan)!

    July 13, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    It is funny to read the comments from some of the Y fans - Utah will never do this, the PAC 12 will be left out of that, the only reason Utah did this was, the Y is better at everything, etc.

    Bottom line is Utah is in a big boy conference and the childish rants of several posters and journalists are evident. Remember that the 'Holy War' hasn't been cancelled, it just has a 2 year break in the schedule. That should give many of you time to get over your hurt feelings, made up scenarios, and unfounded predictions.

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    July 13, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    First of all, If Lee Benson is a columnist, then I suppose this article is OK, because they are paid to write their opinion. If he's not, I can't believe he would be so unprofessional.

    I have just a few thoughts, BYU had the best overall program, but that is currently not the case. I think they're roughly the same, with Utah having more success lately, both in head to head play, and on a national scale.

    I am a Utah fan, and I'm glad we're in the PAC 12. I really don't care how we got in. I wouldn't care if Commissioner Scott himself came out and said that we were just a back up plan. We're in, hallalujia!

    July 13, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    I must say that has to be the most bitter article I have ever read. I was disappointed when it was announced by Dr. Hill that the Utah-BYU game is not going to be played for a couple years but writing something like this is just a joke.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    July 13, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    Lots of Ute fans are whistling in the dark about how well Utah will do hereafter. Tough talk, macho mumbling how mid-major BYU is.

    Take your ball and go play with the big boys. Let's revisit this in 5 years and see how things are. Then someone can say "I told you so."

    What seems to seep out of most Ute fan posts is a bias (if not hatred) agsinst BYU, and by extension, the LDS Church.

    That's much sadder than angst over which football team has been/is/will prove better in its respective program.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 6:53 a.m.

    I think that BYu should thank Utah for scheduling them at all. As it stands today, there isn't one future BYu game vs a 12 PAC team. And, there is NO chance that BYu will be able to schedule a PAC team from California........Prop 8 destroyed that possibility.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    July 13, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    Holy cow Mr. Benson!

    I gotta say, at first I was really disappointed that the Rivalry wouldn't be played, now I'm just shocked at how petty everybody is about the whole thing. This is sad, lets act more like adults and realize that we don't always get everything we want. lets quit sulking.

  • Fibonacci Centerville, UT
    July 13, 2012 6:41 a.m.

    As a Utah Alum this could really backfire, On the seasons that Utah has that "special team", not playing BYU probably won't really matter to fans, but on those years where the team really isn't in the national hunt, the season will be boring and the fans will quit coming. Nobody likes to watch their team underachieve but Utah fans and players could always get up for the rivalry game because everyone knows that almost anything can happen - the records go out the window. The highlight of last year for Utah was clearly the BYU game. With that gone I just don't see how their fans are going to get excited during a 5 and 6 season for a chance to get even with the 3 and 8 buffalos.

  • Fibonacci Centerville, UT
    July 13, 2012 6:31 a.m.

    Maybe Utah's on to something here - Since strength of schedule is so important to how basketball teams are seeded in the NCAA tournament, BYU should dump the Utes from their non conference B-ball schedule. Playing one of the worst teams in D1 college basketball is hurting BYU's ability to get a higher seed at the big dance.

  • stonewall Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 4:30 a.m.

    I just want to encourage fans to stop saying "BCS" conferences anymore.

    Great news: we won! It's not perfect, but we killed the BCS. There is no such thing as BCS conferences anymore. So let's stop perpetuating the system we all hated that is on its way out of existence by consistently using its label still. Just something of a side-note to this article and all the comments it's brought about

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:53 a.m.

    Gee, I don't remember this same level of angst when Utah didn't schedule Utah State for a couple of years, despite that being a longer running and more storied rivalry. I don't remember the comment when BYU big-timed USU demanding a two for one. The real story is that to make this last two year contract work they had to forgo a return trip from Iowa St. and buy out a series with Boise State. Either of which I would have rather had than a BYU series. What did BYU do? Zip, Nada,zilch. What are they doing now besides crying and whinning, zip, Nada, zilch. Who killed the rivalry game? Better rethink that Lee.

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    July 13, 2012 1:37 a.m.

    I think its great that the Utes are in a bigger and better conference but anyone who says they don't want this rivalry is either to young to understand or is not a true fan of either team. what if the Yankees all the sudden never played the sox? duke vs north carilina, auburn vs alabama. the holy war has always been a great experience. I guess we are joining the likes of texas and a&m and taking away something that every fan wants!

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:58 p.m.

    Lee, now that you've vented and hopefully feel better, you should write next about how maybe it's time to move on.

    It's a free country. If the Utes feel they don't want to play a certain OOC opponent, it's their choice.

    Accept it and let's move on.

  • guitarboy South Jordan, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:39 p.m.

    Somebody used somebody else as a stepping stone. And there is a lot of hand wringing over it.

    But that's how it works in this world.

    Sometimes, there is a difference between what you have a right to do, and what is the right thing to do. But that difference doesn't matter to people.

    That's how it works in this world.

    But BYU is not innocent, if you look at other situations. There is no room for anyone to cast stones.

    Chris Hill will probably not be comfortable with this decision, in the future. But that begs the question to whomever is reading this: Think about the things you have done wrong and tried to cover up or at least hope go unnoticed. Things you are not proud of. Things you did out of self interest, at the expense of concern for others. Do you think you would have definitely done something difference if you were Chris Hill?

    At least Chris Hill is doing his questionable deeds in public with his name attached to it, and not ducking the issue while some of us are hoping the dirty secrets in our personal lives go unnoticed.

  • CG Orem, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:38 p.m.

    Lee Benson called the Utes on the carpet and read them the Riot Act.

    As they slink away in shame, their pretended disinterest in the rivalry is laughable, since many of our friends on the hill spend far more time hating BYU than they do cheering for Utah.

    To the BYU haters, nothing is so exquisitely thrilling as Utah beating BYU.
    Conversely, nothing is so excruciatingly painful as Utah losing to BYU.

    Despite their denials, they'll miss the rivalry far more than they're willing to admit, even to themselves.

    BYU will be just fine without U.

    While BYU was busy building a national brand, the Utes were barely a blip on BYU's radar; an interesting late November opponent to give BYU fans something to talk about while the Cougars were waiting for their bowl opponent to be announced.

    BYU Football will now join BYU Volleyball, Track & Field, Cross-Country, and other BYU sports where the Cougars have enjoyed great success on a national scale, with absolutely no concern for the complete absence of competition from the Utes.

    Enjoy your big pond little fish mediocrity; BYU has bigger fish to fry.

  • red rocks Saint George, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:36 p.m.

    I am neither a BYU or a Ute fan. Utah is way excited about picking up the Michigan series and dropping BYU. The only reason Michigan is playing Utah is because they are trying to rebound from some disappointing seasons the last few years. They hope to pad there record with some wins against Utah. I think it will backfire.

    The Aggies are an up and coming program and will provide a better game than Utah would have. Utah will struggle to have a rivalry with anyone.

  • TibbleForkDave Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:35 p.m.

    It's tough to appreciate a 100 year old rivalry when your tradition dates all the way back to 2004. The Utes have about as much appreciation for tradition as a hillbilly at an art museum.

  • kiapolo Provo, MA
    July 12, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    Well the good news is, we ALL still have Real Salt Lake. Go RSL, the team of Utah in the sport of the world!!!

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:20 p.m.

    Hey Lee, I'm a huge fan, season-ticket holder and Crimson Club donor, and guess what? I don't really care that the Holy War won't be played every year. Every few years is plenty. That is, I'm a fan and don't feel I'm losing a thing. The Utes have bigger things to worry about nowadays than BYU.

    Ohh yeah, I'm sure you're exactly right that the ONLY reason BYU didn't get into the PAC 12 is because of Sunday play. LOL!

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    July 12, 2012 11:11 p.m.

    @ Bloated

    Bringing up why BYU was left out of the Pac-10 expansion again, huh? Dude, that was over 2 years ago. Accept it and move on! You can make all the excuses you want about why Utah was included and BYU was not.

    Here is the facts:

    Pac-10 expands to 16: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah (Texas A&M will not follow Texas west, the Aggies would join the SEC instead)

    Pac-10 expands to 12: Colorado and Utah (Original expansion plan)

    Either way, Utah was apart of the Pac-10's expansion plans and BYU was not. GET OVER IT!

    As far as academics go. BYU has great undergraduate programs. But the Pac-10 is looking for major research institutions. Utah has it and BYU does not!

    "And anyone who thinks that BYU had not long prepared for Independence, has just not been paying attention".

    Really? Then why was BYU's schedule so pathetic last year? The schedule looks like it was put together at the last minute. Hmm.... Doesn't it seem ironic that BYU would declare it's independence two months after Utah accepted it's Pac-10 invitation?

    BYU = mid-majors forever!

  • jaredM Provo, UT
    July 12, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    I am in agreement with you. I am a BYU fan and am disappointed in the fact that Utah is turning their back on what has created the interest and glory of football in the state of Utah. There were many years were both teams may not have been living large on a national scale, yet the rivalry game always had the "big game" atmosphere that makes sports great.

    In the end, the fans who have supported the two programs through thick and thin are the ones who are the biggest losers.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    WOW! So many tears are flowing. Except on the hill. We're having a great time! It's a great day to be a Ute! And it's just getting better and better!

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    July 12, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    Lee Benson needs to get a grip. This is not about culture or history it's about self interest. . . pure and simple. If the situation was reversed BYU would be dropping Utah like a hot potato. Bottom line, BYU cares about filling seats and filling their schedule with quality opponents.

    It's interesting to see that basically all the complaint are from BYU and none from Utah. Let's see. . . Michigan (or any other Big 10 team) or BYU. Let me thinks for a second, oh never mind it won't even take that long. So long BYU football.

  • sweetnewss Orem, UT
    July 12, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    I'm a Utah fan and am definitely disappointed the rivalry is going away. I think it does nothing but hurt both schools and fan bases. the rivalry creates so much passion for each team that can't be replicated any other way. I'm a much more passionate Utah fan because of the rivalry and how fired up it gets me ever year...as I'm sure is the same for BYU fans. I looked on stubhub at ticket prices for Utah games this year and behind the USC game, BYU is the second highest priced ticket. This shows, despite what the obnoxious faction of our fan base says, it's the game we want to see most (with the exception of a huge pac12 game). Don't give me "we can't play 11 hard games"! We beat BYU by 44 points last year and have won 7 of the last 10! The rhetoric from Chris Hill makes me sick. It's about money, trying to ensure only one nonconference road game and a bowl berth every year...but it's counter productive because the program will lose money in long run by not playing the game.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 12, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    It will happen - I'm not sure when it will happen - but it will happen. The PAC12 will get left out of the four team playoff and the PAC college presidents will convene to ask "what can we do to strengthen the conference?" Many answers will be debated, but in the end the decision will be made to vote two of the weak links out of the conference. The mighty PAC12 will once again become the PAC10.

  • Rico Suave Santquin, UT
    July 12, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    This has nothing to do with who's better or who deserves to be in the PAC 12, BIG 12 yada yada yada. It was a game that belonged to Ute and BYU players and fans. Part of the tradition for both schools. True, some of the fans have started to go overboard, but it's a big deal.

    Uteology, not sure where you're coming from. You wouldn't be here commenting if it wasn't a big deal to you. In fact the many posters here, be they Ute or Cougar fans are here because this is an important tradition that has recently been violated by someone who quite frankly doesn't have the right to make that decision. He really doesn't. He has the power, just not the right. Big difference.

    It just shows that nothing is sacred and tradition means nothing. It has been a blast and it was a good run.

  • Rico Suave Santquin, UT
    July 12, 2012 9:36 p.m.

    Inexcusable. Disappointing. The tradition of college football is being decimated by the almighty dollar.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 12, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    "If any school deserved a call up to the next level, it was the Cougars."


    Rumors are that the on-going 30 year "discussions" with the BIG 12 are getting close to wrapping up. BYU will be in the Big 12, mark it down.

    If not then I'm sure the SEC will pounce and invite BYU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 12, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    The real question is who will stop crying first?

    A) BYU fans
    B) Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune "journalists"

    Tough call!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 12, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    Utah is in fact abandoning their culture. They did so the minute they accepted the invitation to join the PAC-12. Before that Utah played no more than 4 or 5 "BCS caliber" opponents in the same year. The same goes for BYU. Last year 11 of 13 opponents were BCS teams. (Even then an 8-5 record with our injuries.) Looking ahead to the 2014 and 2015 seasons. For those two years Utah has scheduled 21 of 24 games. Of the 21 all games are agains BCS opponents except for Utah State in '14. Including Michigan twice, USC twice, UCLA twice,Oregon twice, Stanford, Cal, Washington, and the remaining PAC-12 teams. In contrast BYU has schedules 12 games of 24 games. Including one game with Texsas and one with Nebraska. As of now that is the only BCS teams scheduled. (Boise State (2 games scheduled) will join the Big East next year as well as Houston (one game scheduled) (I believe.) And yet fans point out Utah can play both Michigan and the Y. Can but understandably won't.

    "The ball is in Utah's court". Hill's return - game, set, and match!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 12, 2012 9:02 p.m.

    Utah ended up in the Pac simply because ...

    1-The Texas-Oklahoma Six deal blew up.
    2-It blew up because Commissioner Scott knew the Presidents of the Pac would never accept a Faith Based Institution like Baylor.
    3-Therefore, he jumped the gun, and invited Colorado early and first....Hoping the remaining 5 would come along anyway.

    When Scott realized the other 5 were not coming, Scott fell back to his last resort and invited Utah.

    It had nothing to do with Utah's 6 good years of Football...

    Nor did it have anything to do with Academics, as Utah ranks only 124th in the Country where BYU ranks #71.

    Tuckett knew in the '80's that the Pac would never allow a Faith Based school to spoil their Socialistic-Utopia they had built for themselves.

    And anyone who thinks that BYU had not long prepared for Independence, has just not been paying attention.

    BYU could never have done in a few short weeks, what they did with Independence, without extensive planning.

    BYU needs to build it's schedule and stay Independent in Football.
    The WCC is perfect for the Olympic Sports.

    And Utah will still won't win Championships.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    July 12, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    Utah/BYU rivalry was just getting rediculously intense...let them go their separate ways, and we can root for both to succeed, or neither, without the terrible hatred that seemed to be fomenting...

  • teleste Austin, TX
    July 12, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    Good for Utah. Just move on...create a new rivalry with Colorado and never look back again.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    July 12, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    It's now official. The Deseret News has just "jumped the shark".

    The only culture that the Utes have abandoned by not playing byu, is the culture of mediocrity.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 12, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    True, except for your conclusion about whits program. Have u ever been to Austin or Norman? Heard of Nebraska or Missouri? LSU or Arkansas are better programs, just to name a few this side of alabama! Two BCS games does not make the u a football powerhouse as demonstrated by their loss last year to their pseudo rival, Colorado, and lackluster showing in the weaker division of the once but not still powerful PAC.

  • 123cityboy ALPINE, UT
    July 12, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    Classic Lines...

    The Utes went Hollywood faster than the Beverly Hillbillies.

    The Utes got into the league because A) Texas didn't want to, B) BYU won't play on Sunday, and C) Kyle Whittingham runs the best football program this side of Tuscaloosa.

    BYU had the better overall program. Any sports follower in the state knows that's been the case for decades.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 12, 2012 8:30 p.m.

    Utah has been in the shadow of BYU for too long. Time to leave the nest and make a name for themselves.

  • Yerffoegn Maricopa, Az
    July 12, 2012 8:29 p.m.

    Frankly, nothing is sacred when it comes to college football. Someday, Hill will regret his move. In
    History, when the verdict is out, when Hill's ugly footnote is written in stone. He will
    Be mentioned in every article, telecast and post game analysis. Hill killed
    The rilvary.