Former BYU, Utah football players have mixed views on rivalry hiatus

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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    Mesa Coug:

    "As stated before in many articles, replaceing [sic] Utah in September is not going to be difficult."

    Actually, replacing the Indy-WACers on UTAH's schedule wasn't so difficult. On the other hand, I'm not convinced you really DO have much in the way of scheduling options -- even in September. Because if Sept. scheduling was such a piece of cake, what happened with THIS September? Why are you playing Weber State?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 13, 2012 7:55 a.m.


    Oh, okay. Thanks for the interpretation. Because its obvious Utah can't beat independent teams like Notre Dame.

    Your logic makes just about as much sense. I guess that's why u get it and I don't.

    Look, personally, I don't care whether we play Utah or not. Really. If we DO play u, I want to be there to see it. Even if it is a train wreck. And I'm glad u guys are happy with your lot in life. I'd be happy with your lot in life.

    But when u prop up ur egos with inflated faulty logic, I just can't resist popping it.

    By the way, nice rant, but your supporting information has nothing to do with the point at hand.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 12, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad "Thanks Brent for quoting the company line...After all, U should beat independent teams like BYU, ND..."

    He said "beat independent teams like BYU." He didn't say Notre Dame. Notre Dame did not invite BYU to the Independent Conference. There is no Independent Conference. BYU quit their conference. That doesn't make BYU a Notre Dame. Can anyone quit their conference and join Notre Dame's conference?

    As soon as BYU is in a big conference, I am sure Utah and the PAC will find a space for BYU each year. Until then, I am happy with Michigan.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 12, 2012 8:22 a.m.


    Thanks for the reminder. Must be more civil, must be more civil...

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 12, 2012 2:44 a.m.

    @ Y Grad/Y Dad

    Utah should finish better than 8th. But your comments, though of the slamming variety, were still found to be worth a thumbs up by me.

    After thinking about it, whoever wins the 2013 game will put a world of hurt on the other going into the two year hiatus. Although in different situations, I think both Utah and BYU need to win the rivalry game or games coming up.

    Utah could lose, turn it around (realistic or not) and go to the Rose Bowl. Right there, the September game wouldn't be that painful. But if Utah finishes 8-4, even with their schedule, the season would be a downer.

    If BYU loses, it probably ruins the season. However, despite their 6 patsies, if the Cougars win five of the other 6 (not Utah), well then their season has some proud merit. Still, second fiddle to a former little brother know grown bigger would be humbling to say the least.

    BYU's odds of going 11-1 with the better six on their schedule are probably similar to Utah in Pasadena (Rose Bowl).

    Bottom line, both Utah and BYU need the win over each other.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 1:20 a.m.

    I definitely think the rivalry game is back on for a longtime if the pac12 goes to 8 conference games like the other major conferences and like many pac 12 members prefer. Furthermore; it is my hope the big 10 PAC 12 deal blows up, USC and Ohio St. hate the idea. I would much rather see the rivalry game than watch the U play Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois or Northwestern.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 11, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    Joey K

    Whatever makes you feel better.

    Tell you what, we'll work on a surprise ending for this final encounter on September 15th and U work on finishing better than tied for 8th in a 12 team conference. Maybe a surprise of your own against your new rival would be in order.

    I won't lie, this after taste for the past 11 months has been bitter. It's a gift we loyal Y fans hope to bequeath to U for the. Ext at least two years. THEN, you'll quit with the stupid donut analogy and be the ones cryin' "bring back THE game."

  • vesparider Pocatello, ID
    July 11, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    They're not dropping BYU to play Michigan. They're dropping BYU so they can pick up a lower division game. BYU's not a guaranteed win so they need a guaranteed win if they're going to pick up a big boy team like Michigan. Funny thing is Michigan hasn't done much over the last 5-10 years. Still a great tradition there but similar to ND in that they're riding on some perception of history.

  • Joey K Sandy, UT
    July 11, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    I don't see anything wrong with Casteel's comments. BYU has always accused Utah of being the little brother who is obsessed with them. BYU's reaction to this whole thing has shown that the the shoe is now on the other foot.
    If BYU were successful as an independent they wouldn't care about Utah dropping them, because they would have so many other options available. The fact that they hate BYU, constantly make up lies about how mistreated they are by Utah fans, yet still can't let things go, show where they are in the relationship.
    BYU is like that Ex girlfriend who shows up at your door at midnight and says, "I just wanted you to know that I'm so much better off without you, I'm dating lots of guys who are way better looking than you. Breaking up with you was the best thing I ever did." (Yet the whole time she stuffs her face with doughnuts.) BYU is the jilted ex lover.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    July 11, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    I don't mind the rivalry going away. Maybe BYU could replace it with some games against ASU or Arizona. Then I could go to the games when they are played down here. As stated before in many articles, replaceing Utah in September is not going to be difficult. Utah can't help us in November so I say goodbye.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 11, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Utah isn't dodging BYU as much as they are balancing. They play nine PAC 12 games, a BIG 12 game, and working on recruiting non conference games each year. Utah can't play BYU consistently anymore.

    Northern Colorado is Utah's one warm up game this year. They will have one each year. Who doesn't have at least one of those. BYU had six of them last year and six more this year.

    For Utah, when playing against better competition, they can't put more week in and week out strain on the team relative to schedule than they already have.

    When in the same conference, Utah vs. BYU made sense in climatic November. It was a great rivalry and many of us want that to continue. Truth is that the parameters have changed.

    Those with knowledge of the issue (both sides) understand what's really at play here. Chris Hill can't spin it too much. He has been speaking in generalities. Holmoe is being more bold because he is more desperate and needs Utah more now. Still, I think he knows Hill's challenge. Obviously Holmoe isn't ready to accept a 2 for 1.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:12 p.m.


    Yes and Utah will be playing Michigan and USC both of those year along with Oregon, Stanford and the rest of the south. I believe that IS the point.

    I'm not one that thinks that the rivalry should stop though. I think the players (on both sides)are missing out on something special that really cannot be matched. You gotta move on though.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 11, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    24 hours later! The Y'ners are still Y'ning!

    Life as a mid-major must be hard for Cougie fans, especially when their big brother is playing in a big time conference.

  • JimmyThing222 Salt Lake , UT
    July 11, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    I'd like to ask the Heisman Trophy winner Brent Casteel if Utah wants to play the best and beat the best, to move up in the rankings, why are they cancelling BYU to play North Viewmont HS? Utah can and should play both BYU and Michigan. Stanford and USC both play Notre Dame every year.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    July 11, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    still working on your heisman guarantee Brent?

  • silverstateute Las Vegas, NV
    July 11, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    Great comments Brent. In my opinion, your perspective is much more interesting than the other 99% of us fans/readers who never played the game. By the way, an all-time favorite memory that I shall never forget was bumping into Brent as he was walking out of the hotel in New Orleans after the Sugar Bowl and heading towards Bourbon Street. We congratulated him, he thanked us, walked off by himself, and we heard him mutter: "roll tide." Priceless!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 11, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    Here's what I don't understand. Maybe a BYU fan (preferably one who wants to play Utah every year) can answer this?

    According to BYU fans, every year during the rivalry game, Utah fans:
    - Pour beer on you.
    - Push old ladies down the stairs.
    - Tip over kids' wheelchairs.
    - Get drunk and burn effigies of past prophets.

    If that's the case then I would think you would be relieved to not have to play Utah any more. If that were happening to me thanks to an opposing team's fans, I certainly wouldn't want to play them any more.

    So which is it? Are Utah fans not as bad as advertised, or does BYU need this game so badly that you're willing to suffer through it? Please explain...

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 11, 2012 6:46 a.m.

    Thanks Brent for quoting the company line, but by your logic, should you not have replaced Northern Colorado with BYU? After all, U should beat independent teams like BYU, ND...