Court ruling will help Americans with affordable insurance. Why should this be
repealed?Could someone define "affordable"? Will more be
stolen from the working greedy to pay for less fortunate?
@the truth So right now there is unlimited money? there are already limits
on resources and look no death panels. In countries with socialized medicine,
guess what? no death panels. YOu can keep repeating the same lies you tried
during the last presidential election but don't be surprised when you get
the same result.
Yes, there will be "death panels".For an analogy that even
the left can understand:if care costs a dollar.and if there is
only 10 dollars collected, and there are 20 people needing care,who
will decide which do not get care, or who will only get partial or limited
care?Yes there will be "death panels", because there will
only be so many dollars.---RE: FurryIf
it is skewed to the left is that not also liberal facism?What is
liberal big government control over all aspects of our lives? what
light bulb you can use, bake sales, vending machines, drink sizes, education
system, your personal health. shutting down conservative voices at colleges,
trying to remove religion and religious voice from the public square, attacks on
gun rights, political correctness, regulation upon regulation...it goes on and
on.add to that high energy prices that only hurt the poor and
middle class.no liberty, no agency only what some elite liberal
tells you can do or say or think.How is that not facism?
Are we being fooled into thinking, "free healthcare"?We are
marching into the leash and grip of political control and regulations? Taxes we
cannot pay, will have consequences.Wasn't the Revolutionary War
fought to get away from this kind of control. The Constitution was written to
prevent it.Oh how easily we forget, or become ignorant to our coming
decline. Many lose sight of the gift of freedom.
@Furry1993"Romney would be a disaster for the United States and
its people."I disagree. I'm not for Romney or Obama, but I
don't think Romney would be a disaster for the US. I don't think
he's any different than Bush and many other previous presidents. In my opinion, Romney offers a better direction for financial reasons. Obama
offers a better direction for civil reasons. If Romney had a heart
for gays and homosexuals I would consider voting for him. But he can't
separate church and state so he loss my vote a long time ago.Obama
cares about people, all people, but just doesn't get the financial
realities. Health care and all these blanket programs sound great on paper ...
until none of us have any paper if you catch my drift.
Please figure out a way for universal health care that will not bankrupt the
country. All Mr. Obama wants to do is borrow more money and drive us deeper into
the tank. The SCOTUS has rejected his plan for states administering the ACA and
so we have a new tax (not a penalty) that doesn't cover the cost and no way
to set Medicaid standards. That is not progress. Stop the chest bumping and look
at the facts.
Mark this down. Nothing in this world is free.People are fooling
themselves, if they think healthcare will be free. The price is going to be
enormous in many ways.
@worfif you actually believe what you wrote about your fellow americans
then yes you are out of touch. I also not sure what people think they are going
to accomplish by repeating the same lies (i.e. death panels) and gross
stereotypes (liberals are just lazy, repubs are all fascist) that failed during
the last election. Maybe its time for some people to take a break so the
grown-ups can have a conversation.
Recently, SCOTUS upheld Kelo v New London, Citizens United, & Obamacare.Anyone else see a disturbing pattern emerge?
So Mitt Romney, here's what we need out of you.1) Please
balance the anti-Obamacare rhetoric with a future plan. Please let us know how
we can reduce costs by reducing medical waste and by strategically reduce the
amount of fraud in healthcare claims. Reducing costs is truly the only way we
can afford to supply healthcare for all. Please identify the good points in
Obamacare, and don't be afraid to keep them.2) The
Massachusettes individual mandate was an experiment. Now that several years
have passed, and healthcare costs in Massachusettes have grown more than the
rest of the country, please provide your assessment of the individual mandate so
we can help you assess the future of healthcare in the U.S.
Okay. So the Democrats passed a massive piece of legislation two years ago,
essentially taking an idea that kind of worked in Massachusettes and thought to
apply it nationally. There are several thoughts in this legislation that is not
thought out very well--pass the bill and we'll figure out the details
later. (The devil is in the details, by the way.)The Supreme Court
decided it is okay to place a tax on those who don't have health insurance.
In order to pull this off, there's going to be a radical increase in your
annual tax forms. There will be loopholes. But we'll figure that out
later.The Massachusettes individual mandate experiment, though
creative, is not meant to be applied to a national healthcare system, which is
1/8th of the national economy. In fact, it's hard to say the
Massachusettes individual mandate is even working--healthcare
costs....COSTS....are increasing in Massachusettes at twice the rate of the rest
of the country.
The problem goes far beyond healthcare and Obama. The problem is that now we
have given the government the power to impose anything they want on us. If we
don't pay for other individuals health insurance than we are required to
pay a tax?! So in the future you can expect that if you don't buy a certain
car you will be required to pay a tax, if you don't belong to a certain
religion you will be required to pay a tax, if you don't believe in a
certain theory, donate to a certain organization, or support certain things then
we will be required to pay a tax! We have just shown that we would rather give
up our freedom and allow the government to take care of things for us to the
point that our freedoms are disappearing!
Sorry to hear that, Reader. Unfortunately, there are many companies who are
looking to get rid of healthcare benefits for their employees, and this is their
ticket out. I know that my insurance premiums are going to increase
$600-$1000/year, since I have a "cadillac plan" with my employer.Personally, I think it's a great idea to divorce healthcare
benefits from employers, but Obama's mandate, which Democrats consider to
be a "first step," is unrealistic from a cost perspective. We've
all been facing wildly increasing healthcare costs, and to think we're all
just going to continue with the same "out-of-control" system,
drastically increase our taxes, and provide insurance coverage for everyone in
the country is absolutely absurd.
To Counter Intelligence 10:27 a.m. June 29, 2012Check out Lawrence
Britt's Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism. Mr. Britt studied the fascist
regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto
(Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in
common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism.
You'll find all of them (some more, some less, but all present) in the
policies and rhetoric of the far right. It's blind to tout the socialist
tendencies of the far left (and yes, some are there) and totally ignore the
fascism of the far right.
RE: Reader1234 - I'm sorry for your apparent situation, but I am sure
things will work out eventually. However, I have to say, people being put in
your situation was predicted long ago, before Obamacare was even passed into
law. That was the discussion going on behind the debate in Congress. BHO and his
comrades will deny it, but what is happening to you, is their ulterior motive.
It is incremental, step by step - single payer. Total government control!
Why do we even bother with elected officials, who are supposed to represent the
voice of the people, when 9 unelected officials can overturn the voice of the
To Deep in Thought "Under Obamacare, seniors would face death panels
to decide if they get the care they need and the poorest and middle class people
will pick up most of this new tax"This has been proven false over and
over again. End of Life couseling helps those who are terminal put their affairs
in order. This happens now but is usually not covered under most plans. These
are Fear Mongering tactics used so well by Sarah Palin and Michelle Bauchman!
Please stick to facts that you can back up!
This is Romneycare. It's his plan he implemented in Mass.
A few years ago when it was apparent that Romney would be the most reasonable
Republican nominee, I was thinking that this election was going to be a win-win
situation until Romney began to pander to the extreme right wing. What is different between Romneycare and Obamacare? Federal level vs. State?
What does it matter? Are we all not human beings that need reasonable
healthcare? I feel bad for Romney because he sold one of his
greatest accomplishments as governor to become the Republican puppet. Since Obamacare is the mirror image of Romneycare, many of the posters on here
need to research the success of Romneycare and then come back and post.
Mitt says the court "did not get the job done" I can hardly wait for the
man to be elected. Whenever he disagrees with "law" he will ride in and
fix it for the country.Mitt agrees it would take 80 billion to
repeal the law but what is money to a rich guy anyway?Is everyone so
afraid of sharing their income with the less fortunate? We do not
want to help those less fortunate. If some of our taxes are paid for their
health care so be it. Ask me and it is better there than buying tents and
weapons so we can fight an oil war in Iraq.I have been a GOP all my
life but Mitt (who will say anything to please who he is with) makes me weak at
the knees when I think of him as president. Now he has admitted his economic
plan will increase the deficit (not by millions or billions but trillions) and I
say change the dang plan, you have changed every other opinion you ever had.We already have a president who is not bothered by the high cost of
things, we don't need another.
If Romney is not elected. Then it's time for the union to be dissolved.
All of the democrats and their supporters will take part of the country. The
rest of us will take the other part. They can run all of the deficits and tax
themselves to their hearts content and build their "utopian society".The rest of us will be productive and live our lives without the
government raping us of our earnings and forcing us to adhere to their beliefs
and be slaves to those who won't do for themselves. The American dream is
to first be allowed to be born with being aborted. 2. Live in liberty free of
other dictating everything you can do. Pursuit of happiness, being successful
without fear of your wealth and property being taken away.They worry
about a theocracy...I can't see what obama envisions as being any
better...their attack on religion with all of their other policies make it very
clear, that the country is divided and it's time to go our seperate ways.
Their bipartisian nonsense is exactly that. Negotiations have failed. Time to
Be afraid, be very afraid. That's the Neo-nuts platform this year. Just
last year it was gays in the miltary would be the end of our armed forces.
How's that prophecy working out for them? I agree the health care
ruling is going to have a major impact on the election. The Dem's are
going to be putting it front and center as how they continue to lead (same as
the gay's in the military) on the major issues and get things done.
Republicans strategy the past 3 years is to obstruct and be anarchist and how
has that helped their agenda? In the swing states Obama has a significant lead
and it appears to be solidifying and growing. The neo-nuts are in trouble and
continue to have nothing to offer but snake skin oil and the bogey man.
There will be RATIONED health care if ObamaCare goes forward -- just do the
math, how difficult is it to see a doctor today. Now add 20,000,000 more people
to the system, who will utilize their "free" insurance, since gov't
(actually you and I) will subsidize those that can't afford to really buy
insurance, as often as they wish, even for common colds, which they would have
treated with over-the-counter "symptom relievers" instead of visiting a
doctor. I'm not saying that poorer people shouldn't have access
to health care, far from it, States have programs for them already, but when
something is "free" (just go to an all you can eat buffet and watch how
much food is taken to the table and then wasted and thrown away because their
eyes were bigger than their stomach) people won't be frugal with their
resources. We'll need more doctors, who will make less money due to
gov't MANDATING how much doctors can charge for services which will
de-incentivize good students to enter the medical field so you will get more
mediocre doctors having to work more cases - so ration services.
My company sent out an email yesterday stating that because of the ruling that
they are now thinking of dropping our health coverage. We will be forced onto
the government exchanges. Please someone explain to me how my situation has now
improved? When I told the news to my wife she started crying. I work with 1500
people. They all lost their health insurance yesterday.
Reasons why Americans lack insight:* at a young age, were forced out
of the home to be raised and indoctrinated by government schools. Self thought
has been discouraged, and replaced by team cooperation. We are destroying the
planet, etc.* led to believe, lustful attractiveness in the most important
thing in life.* everyone is entitled to have things without effort.* people who disagree with you are bigots. People don't deserve success.
Guess I'm out of touch.
yomama is out in 6 months. libs get over it, the socialist agenda is being given
What part of a state controlled, top-down healthcare system, forcing you to buy
health insurance, isn't fascism?
@ One old manI admit death panels is a stretch, but have you seen
Obama's attack ads lately? They attack Romney for closing steel plants
that he left long before they were ever closed. Attack ads aren't always
100% accurate, my point was that there is a lot of fodder for attack ads, which
will help Romney.But the tax part is absolutely true, the majority
of people with no health insurance now are the poor to middle class who
can't afford it. They will be required to purchase it. Small companies
who can't afford to buy insurance for their employees will have to purchase
it. Insurance rates will go up if it is anything like Romneycare meaning every
working class American will have more expensive insurance.I know
Obamacare is something "new" and "shiny" but do we really want
to implement something that Congress doesn't even know what is written in
the law. Nancy Pelosi famously said, "We need to hurry and pass it so we
can figure out what is in it."Not very responsible whether you
are Republican, Democrat, or alien.
Romney says Supreme Court ruling brings new urgency to election because Pelosi
sees Roberts helping uphold U.S. healthcare law. As a Democratic senator from
Illinois in 2005, Obama opposed Republican President George W. Bush's
nomination of Roberts to the Supreme Court. The court's four
Democratic-appointed liberals, Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer,
Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, are widely expected to vote to uphold the
healthcare law. Pelosi voiced confidence that the healthcare law she helped
draft will meet any constitutional test. "It is ironclad. We didn't do
this off the back of our hand," she said. "We believe in judicial
review in everything that we do. I wrote a bill that would withstand any
question of its conditionality." In 2010, the same year the president got
his healthcare law through Congress, Obama ripped into the Roberts court for a
ruling that allowed corporations to spend unlimited money in elections. This
week the court again drew the wrath of the White House as well as Pelosi and
other Democrats in Congress by reaffirming its 2010 decision by rejecting
Montana's century-old ban on businesses engaging in political spending.Obama2012Romney completely discredited.
When we have people who are so out of touch with reality that they continue to
post nonsense like: "Under Obamacare, seniors would face death panels to
decide if they get the care they need and the poorest and middle class people
will pick up most of this new tax" we know how urgent it will be to make
certain Romney is soundly defeated in November.
@ Mark BI favor state directed reforms instead of federal reforms.
And Romney hasn't been running from Mass. health care. In the primary
season over and over people tried to get him to denounce his mandate and he
would not. I remember once Newt especially cornered him on it. The
mandate is very popular in Massachusetts even though it has raised the cost of
insurance significantly. I think that the majority of the state is Democratic
minded and people obey the mandate law, even embrace it. You live
in CA, I think they would quickly follow suit with a similar idea. More
conservative states would tailor it to their needs. Even Romney said he would
keep the more popular parts of Obamacare, like kids on their insurance until
they are 26 etc.And for those of you who say it wouldn't work
on a state level, it has worked in Massachusetts, but it has increased insurance
and health care costs. If that is what the state wants, so be it. They can cut
back on teacher pay on other government spending and people in that state will
be happy. Less waste at a state vs federal level also.
No, I'm fine with it. The urgency he speaks of is fabricated.
I'd be thrilled to see which ideas for health care reform are favored by
deep. The comment on "death panels" was surprising, as I thought that
the whole accusation had already been completely discredited. No mention of how
the Mass. system that Mitt's been running FROM is working, either.
I believe this decision will help Romney in the future. After people start
actually picking through what Obamacare really says, the attack ads will become
oh so easy..."Under Obamacare, seniors would face death panels
to decide if they get the care they need and the poorest and middle class people
will pick up most of this new tax"It was just too sloppily
written and shoved through and lightning speed. I'm all for health care
reform, but Obamacare isn't it.
The biggest urgency is preventing Mitt from naming any judges to the Supreme
Court. It is already skewed off of center and to the right. We absolutely
don't need it going further right if we want the United States to eschew
fascism. The more the far right controls things in the United States, the more
fascist the United States becomes. I do NOT want to see that happening.Vote against Romney to protect the best interests of the United States
and its people.