What is missing here is the notion of who is withholding the papers and who
Congress would really like to cite for contempt. Pres. Obama.He has
extended the veil of Executive Privilege over his AG, so it seems clear he is at
minimum aware of the issues and likely agrees with Holder's stances. But
Congress can't get at the sitting president so they content themselves with
barking at the AG.I think there are some real issues here. It would
be nice if the politics could be set aside and officials (both legislative and
executive) could do their jobs. Instead, the Congressional Republicans have
been preparing for a pig roast and wonder now why the Democrats in the Executive
Branch have RSVPed in the negative because they are uneasy about who will
provide the pig.Partisanship is ruinous.
To Happy Valley Heretic 8:07 a.m. June 29, 2012Or, even worse,
"outing" a covert CIA operative, thereby putting everyone with whom she
had worked during her entire career at risk, just because her husband dared to
be critical of the policies of the inhabitant of the White House. That is FAR
worse than this "fast and furious" mess. F&F should be
investigated, but these political games played by the Republican leadership are
deserving of contempt.
Big Blue - from both the last three Republican administrations, there have been
members of the White House convicted of actual crimes and sentenced to jail
(Scooter Libby, Oliver North...) and dozens others who were granted Presidential
Pardons. I am not saying any of this justifies anything this White House may or
may not have done.... but if this is reason enough to send Obama to retirement,
who are you going to vote for. The other party doesn't have a track
recored of doing anything better. You can't have one standard for one
party, and another for the other.I would love it if we didn't
have any discussions about either Dems nor Republicans playing political
gamesmanship with our money and our futures. But its been the case for over 200
years now, I have very low expectations it will change.Net Net -
Libby wasn't enough to say Bush should step down. North wasn't enough
for Reagan to retire over. And Clinton... well... he made it challenging from
time to time, didn't he (travelgate). But none had to "retire"
over what someone in their adminstration did.
Mike RichardsA border patrol officer was killed. Start the impeachment
hearings tomorrow! Nothing that Nixon did was comparable. No one was killed in
Watergate.So I see you completely glossed over Iran Contra, like the
other far right wing neo-neo-cons.Selling weapons to enemies and drugs to
American, I'm surprised you support that kind of leadership
Worf - that is the really funny thing - if Holder is to be "punished",
it would be himself who does it. Very odd situation.As to the Dem
vs Repub comment, I would like to see more republicans break rands once in a
while and not be so worried about being call RINOs. Seems a handful of Dems
have found the you-know-whats to be willing to be called DINOs. I actually
think Hatch's win took some of the fear of the tea party away and some of
these people will start working on solutions regardless if it makes them look
moderate from time to time - or at least I hope that is the outcome. Obamacare needs to be fixed, and the only way it will work is if it is a
bipartisan solution. We are miles away from that right now.
The current administration is anything but transparent. Four years ago Obama
strongly attacked Bush's use of executive privledge. I guess it is
different when it protects your own back.This month Obama has shown
a number of times that his administration is above the law. It is time to send
Obama into retirement.
UtahBlueDevil,I'm not seeing this as "Democrats vs
Republicans".Is there any punishment for Holder?
It's going to take more that a "contempt" citation to get this
administration's attention. A border patrol officer was killed.
Start the impeachment hearings tomorrow! Nothing that Nixon did was comparable.
No one was killed in Watergate.This administration is not above the
law. It's time that they learned that concept.
These lame Government "leaders" are embarrassing themselves by showing
the world that they are complete liars.
Contempt is a pretty desperate measure. And as many months discussions have
taken place regarding Fast and Furious, it is now time for desperate measures.
It's a crying shame it has taken this long to get to this point.
Hopefully, Congress can learn what was done that got so many guns into the hands
@Craig ClarkWhere are the documents?Holder has something
Worf..... care to compare this to Iran Contra and Mr. Oliver North - selling
weapons to Iran? There is no moral high ground here by either party.On the other hand, I was encouraged to see 17 Democrats vote their conscience
rather than vote party line. When was the last time you saw any number of
conservatives do likewise. We need to see more of our congress people vote for
a policy or idea rather than backing the party blindly.Very
encouraging. Conscience over party loyalty. What a concept.
Both were partisan misuses of Congressional authority.
With a former president, impeachment meant nothing.What's
contempt going to mean for an AG?