BYU football: Bronco, Holmoe put BYU-Utah series in Utah's court

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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 2, 2012 7:07 a.m.


    Doesn't Utah have a 2-0 advantage in relevant BCS bowls?

    Why don't YOU try to get back to US once you can point to some semblence of greatness without having to climb into Mr. Peabody's "Wayback Machine" from the last century.

    Meanwhile we'll be playing our Football in relevant conference. When you DO get back to us, please be sure to leave a message as we'll likely be too busy to talk to you. Have fun down there in the WAC's last season of existence.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 1, 2012 6:16 a.m.

    Looks like the Ute Trolls just can't get BYU out of their minds..

    For a group of Belching-Wannabees, who claim Superiority ad nauseum, you sure don't act like even you, really believe it.

    In fact, your comments Personify an "Acute Inferority Complex".

    40 years of BYU dominating U in all Sports, will have that effect.
    Champions don't need to boast, only Wannabee Pretenders with Self Inflated Egos, do.

    Otherwise, Ute-Troll-Nation would not continually be trying to convince "Themselves", that BYU is not even worthy to breath the same air as the Mighty Vaunted Ute Athletic Programs.

    Programs which, by the way, will Never win an outright League Championship in the
    Pac 11-last resort 1.

    NO guys, your Inferority Complex is on full display every time an article on BYU is written.

    U are not SC or Oregon.....U are at best....Wazzu.

    Get back to us when U can match BYU's achievements in all Sports.
    Right now BYU has about a 5-1 advantage in All-Americans (all sports) over U.

    And in Hall of Famers and National Award Winners.......
    We'll spare U the embarassment and not go there......

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 30, 2012 12:11 a.m.


    BYU does not need the annual rivalry game any more than Utah does, especially in September. BYU can schedule just about any team they want in September.


    In 2013, you only have Texas scheduled in September with three TBA.

    Just curious when will these rumors reported in May 2011 by DeepShadesOfBlue going to come true:

    * Reportedly in the works are 3-game sets with Nebraska, Wisconsin and possibly Penn State.

    * UCLA and USC are among the schools rumored for a series of two games.

    * BYU will travel to Arizona State to kick off the 2013 season on Friday night on ESPN

    * BYU will play Penn State in 2014 at FedEx Field in Landover, MD

    * Starting in 2015, BYU will play Syracuse home-home-neutral (Meadowlands Stadium)

    * BYU will play Ohio State home-home-neutral (Dallas, TX)

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 29, 2012 9:39 p.m.

    @ SoCalUtahFan,

    Trust me bro........Tom Brady and Eli Manning are so grateful that BYU won't play on Sundays!!!!!! They hate losing, as you know.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 29, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    I love the "exposure" claims of BYU if someone will like you? Is that what you are hoping for?

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    June 29, 2012 4:54 p.m.

    "I can say, from where we are, we'd like to play them every year," Mendenhall said...

    Sure, every mid-major would love to schedule the big guys:
    --a close loss is like a win
    --a 54-10 loss: "we beat ourselves..."
    --a narrow win: this is the best win in school history

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 29, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    Not much exposure when the cougs and utes play each other. With both teams playing and winning against other popular schools, the state of Utah profits. Let go of the series for a while.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    June 29, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum...

    hahaha I like your sense of humor!

    If BYU can play on Sunday, they would be playing with the NFL!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 29, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    The bottom line is BYU is VERY popular. They have been invited to join every BCS conference. The SEC begged BYU to join last week, but BYU is larger than the SEC. ESPN has chosen BYU to be their flagship football team. I've watched every BYU football game since 1957. They dominate college football. Utah is so scared of BYU, and they should be.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    June 29, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    BYU does not need the annual rivalry game any more than Utah does, especially in September. BYU can schedule just about any team they want in September. And if Utah is going to place so little value on 100 years of history and partnership between the two universities then both schools should just agree to go their separate ways. If Chris Hill cancels the annual football game then Tom Holmoe should respond by cancelling it for every other sport as well - basketball, baseball, womens softball - EVERYTHING!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 29, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    Utah is obviously in the game for many reasons, most of all, because it is a world ranked school. I wish BYU to pursue missionary work. They try to do their best and that is cool. The LDS faith is the most popular religion in the world, no close second. BYU will do well and the U will have to listen to BYU to make the proper steps in the future. I sure hope Chris Hill will take Tom Holmoe's direction. BYU is a storied, legacy program. Utah is wondering how to be just OK. Goooooooo Ures!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 29, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    charlie boy, BYU is not, and has not insisted on any kind of consideration or equality with any team in "the next level up." Do you know something that has never been reported before? Please explain your comment because it certainly cannot be attached to utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 29, 2012 9:58 a.m.


    "My Father-in-Law...was also a Naval Vet. My father was an Army Vet, as was his Father before him. From these three I learned the value and strength of men. I learned kindness, generosity, and caring. As a result, I've always had admiration for the men and women that have served our country."

    I've heard this "your mean, you can't possibly be a veteran" refrain many times before. And ALWAYS from cougar fans. ALWAYS! Likewise have I heard the folklored myth that our little brothers declined the Big 12 because they wouldn't let Utah come along too. And likewise, ALWAYS from cougar fans. And since there has been a growing trend of Y fans pretending to be fans of other Pac-12 schools -- INCLUDING UTAH -- you'll just have to pardon my skepticsm of your claims to be "a fellow Ute fan". Nevertheless, I'm going to educate you on something. I'm going to introduce a NEW WORD to your limited vocabulary....


  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 29, 2012 9:50 a.m.


    "Does it do you any damage to know that BYU has helped Utah get to the position they're now in? Does it somehow injure you to know of the kindness BYU showed to Utah?"

    The only thing the Indy-WACers did for the benefit of the Utes was roll over for us in our routes back in '04 and '08. Without those 2 perfect seasons, Utah would still be in the MWC. And I'm not sure what "kindness" you were referring. It has NEVER been reported that our little brothers refused an invitation from the Big 12. It has ALSO never been reported that the cougars made any insistence that if Utah wouldn't be invited, the Y stays back in the WAC. Unless you want to count cougar fan blogs like deepshadesofblue or cougarboard, where fantasy is preferred to fact. And THAT's why you won't be successful in providing me the name, date, periodical, and date of ANY legitimate articles to the contrary.

  • charlie24 Sandy, UT
    June 29, 2012 7:21 a.m.

    BYU needs to accept their current reality. Just like they demanded USU to accept scheduling needs of BYU, 2 for 1, and travel when the greater team needed the consideration. This is all so simple, tell Utah you want to play as often as possible even when the balance is more games in SLC, and the problem is solved. You just can not insist on equality with teams in the next level up.

  • HighlandUte Highland, UT
    June 28, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Yes, BYU needs this game more than the Utes because of their difficulty in scheduling quality opponents. Yes Utah is a great opponent. If the real issue is Utah wants 5-6 home games then BYU should offer to play the Utes in Salt Lake next year with the assurance that the Utes will alternate here on out. BYU sayes it in Utahs court but BYU should offer to make the sacrifice to keep the rivalry going.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    June 28, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    The ball is in utah's court and it seems they have grabbed their ball and bolted to go hide behind a rock and curl up in a fetal position. Thats fine if they dont want to play BYU, BYU has already scheduled Boise State for the foreseeable future and they will replace Utah as not only a better opponent but BYUs new rival. Meanwhile utah can be stuck with colorado as their rival, of course utah couldn't handle a 2-win colorado team a year ago so maybe thats not a good thing for utah LOL.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 28, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    There is absolutely no possibility that BYU would schedule a 2-1 series with a lesser program like Utah, unless it would require two games in Provo to one in Salt Lake. So simple even a caveman can understand.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 28, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    Naval Vet -

    Does it do you any damage to know that BYU has helped Utah get to the position they're now in? Does it somehow injure you to know of the kindness BYU showed to Utah? You are correct when you say that BYU did not receive an invitation from the Big XII. And I am also aware of the threats used by the Governors of Texas which resulted in the admission of Baylor to the Big XII. But my statements are not inaccurate. They were reported at the time.

    My Father-in-Law, a very honorable man that my wife loved, was also a Naval Vet. My father was an Army Vet, as was his Father before him. From these three I learned the value and strength of men. I learned kindness, generosity, and caring. As a result, I've always had admiration for the men and women that have served our country. Your constant berating of the BYU Cougars is beneath the dignity I learned from these men. You might want to consider that you're an example, and with your words and actions you teach.

    Just a friendly suggestion from a fellow Ute fan.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 28, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    Abeille: "To all BYU Fans (Cont):
    Let's wish our Ute Brethren the best of luck in the upcoming years. The PAC XII is a very good conference, and if Utah can be at the top of the PAC XII south, it benefits our entire state."

    I enjoyed reading your To All BYU Fans series, but this comment isn't applicable. There's only a certain percentage of BYU fans in Utah. We who are not part of that great state couldn't care less about the pride the State of Utah take in the Utes.

    They're called the "Runnin' Utes" for a reason.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 3:28 p.m.


    "When the SWAC was reforming, BYU was part of the plans. But when they found out that BYU would not join the soon-to-be Big XII unless Utah was invited, the forthcoming invitation was withdrawn."

    That's a myth. The Big 12 NEVER withdrew any invitations. The cougars were never invited. What REALLY happened was the Big 8 wanted to add Texas and Texas A&M. Period. They wanted to add 2 teams, thus becoming a 10 team (not a 12 team) league. The snag was once Texas Gov. Richards and Lt. Gov. Bullock found out about the 'Horns and the Aggies intentions to join the Big 8 without their alma maters (Baylor & Tx. Tech), they threatened to withhold state funding unless they brought the Bears and Raiders with them. The Big 8 allowed Tech and Baylor to join because UT's and A&M's coattails were long enough to drag them in.

    Meanwhile, the cougars fantasized about leaving the WAC and joining this expanded new league. And, just like the present day....they weren't wanted.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:39 p.m.


    Yes, Utah is scared. Which is why they just agreed to play the most winning program in CFB history.

  • Sky Is Not Falling Cedar Hills, UT
    June 28, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    BYU vs. Utah Rivalry is dead! Don't think of it anymore. Both schools are moving to different direction. Bye-bye Utah, because it's afaid to loss without gain. Utahns... we forget.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    June 28, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    If BYU wants to play with Utah, BYU should try to make it to the big league first.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 28, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    Uteology -


  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2012 12:50 p.m.

    Translated - Play us please, we need to remain relevant even though we play the bottom half of the WAC every year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 28, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Good-natured bantering is okay, but hating is not.


    From your mouth to Max Halls ears.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 28, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    @Ute Wanna Be

    What has Utah done since 2008? Well, if it's about wins-and-loses then...

    MWC: 20-6
    PAC-12: 8-5
    Overall: 28-11

    MWC: 18-8
    WAC: 10-3
    Overall: 28-11

    The difference we had to "reload" against PAC-12 play.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 28, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    To all Ute Fans (cont):
    We are in the PAC XII because we belong there. Our recent success in football proves it. We have the fortune of being involved in one of the richest conferences around - both monetarily and athletically. But let's not forget where we came from. BYU has been our Brother for many decades. When the SWAC was reforming, BYU was part of the plans. But when they found out that BYU would not join the soon-to-be Big XII unless Utah was invited, the forthcoming invitation was withdrawn. Like it our not, part of our success can be attributed to BYU. They have been a strong oopponent - a worthy opponent. Let's recognize that BYU got the shaft. For our part, let's wish them well in Independence. After this season, let's look forward to the time we once again meet our brothers on the gridiron - in honor and respect.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 28, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    To all Ute Fans:
    Let's see things the way they really are. Being in the Pacific Athletic Conference can be exhilarating, as well as a responsibility. Even in my younger days, I've loved the PAC VIII. I have lived on the campuses of both Oregon State and Washington State (and later, at Utah as a student), and have siblings that have attended the University of Oregon. Rivalries in the PAC are not hate-fests! We love our teams - we cheer for our teams. But we don't denigrate our opponents - EVER! Where's the joy in beating a team you consider to be inferior to you? Our rivalries include respect for our rival. Good-natured bantering is okay, but hating is not.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 28, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    To all BYU Fans (Cont):
    Let's wish our Ute Brethren the best of luck in the upcoming years. The PAC XII is a very good conference, and if Utah can be at the top of the PAC XII south, it benefits our entire state. With the recent agreement between the PAC XII and the BIG 10, Utah has very little room on their schedule. Kyle Whittingham has already said that, with the 3 out-of-conference games they have, they want 1 tough team, 1 equally matched to themselves, and 1 easier team to play. That makes sense, even though it leaves BYU out in the cold. Let's wish them well and hope that, occasionally, we'll meet as Brothers on the gridiron in the future.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 28, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    To all BYU Fans:

    Let's see things the way they really are. Because of the scare of 'Mega-Conferences', several BCS conferences chose to expand. Among them was the PAC X. It was obvious from the beginning of discussions that BYU would not receive an invitation to join that conference. In particular, the Presidents of Stanford and Berkley would not approve of a religiously-based, conservative institution joining their conference. Since the vote had to be unanimous, BYU was out before the discussions even started. Utah, on the other hand, being a state-run institution, was much more palatable. Utah could more easily agree with specifics involved with being a PAC member (such as Professor-exchange programs between the schools). And Utah athletics needed the funds that come along with being a member of the PAC. It was a good decision for Utah - one they needed to make. Also, although BYU has a more storied history than Utah in Football, Utah's more recent success on the gridiron - which exceeds our own - made them attractive to the PAC.

    June 28, 2012 11:45 a.m.


    You are the last y fan to comment so here it goes-yes we only won 4 conference games, how many did the y? And the Utes getting hammered, those games are all in the past. The cougar football program is not even close to the Utes keep pop'n off mr 54-10. All of you should be quite until after 9/15. After that date you will all see where both programs are. So be good little cougars and crawl back into your caves, head to head it's not even close anymore.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    June 28, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    Utah has 10 BCS teams on it's schedule, huh? The BCS doesn't exist anymore. And you're including teams like Washington State and Oregon State in that, who happen to also be on BYU's schedule this year. Don't forget about Utah State, who both teams will play this year too. Wow, Utah's schedule is looking SO tough. You have USC but who else is Utah claiming is such a tough opponent this year? Don't forget about Northern Colorado. Bottom line is Utah wants to keep scheduling 1AA teams to open every year. They are scared. BYU is able and willing. Utah is able and scared. They know deep down that they can't compare themselves to teams like USC, who aren't afraid to leave 1AA teams off their schedule.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    June 28, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    "Bronco, Holmoe put BYU-Utah series in Utah's court’"

    They also put the Big 12 expansion in the Big 12 court and the Big East into the Big East court and November games in everyone's court.

    So, why isn't anyone returning the ball?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 28, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "The ONLY thing the Utes have accomplished since 2008, is a lucky win over BYU in 2010, and a big win over BYU in 2011 that was due mostly to the Cougars self-destructing."

    Weak red herring, but I noticed you didn't even try to dispute the most salient point that Utah's wins over BYU ins 2010 and 2011 are the ONLY accomplishments of any significance the Utes have had since 2008.

    Utah is in a decline that will become undeniable, even to the most delusional kids on the hill.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    June 28, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    To Pathetic 12 member....The only reason BYU fans would go to RES is to watch the mighty utes get hammered. I mean they did win 4 conference games last year, right?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 9:14 a.m.


    "Utah is such a bunch of babies. Look at LSU, playing two very tough teams out of the SEC and still made it to the championship."

    So now Utah is being compared to LSU? Ok. So tell me....does LSU have a series of Home-&-Home games with Tulane? Or La. Tech? ULL? ULM? Any mid-majors whatsoever?

    "williary" (7:56am) really nailed it with those Whittingham and Mendenhall quotes. Allow me to cut-&-paste them again:

    "Our program is bigger than the rivalry" -- Kyle Whittingham

    "...our schedule starts and ends with the rivalry game with Utah." -- Bronco Mendenhall

    It's clear that its the Indy-WACers who need a boost from their big brother, so it's time Holmoe and Mendenhall stop chickening out, and accept a 2-for-1 at RES. It's the right thing to do, and necessary to maintain the rivalry. If the situation were reversed with the cougars in the Pac-12/Big 12, while the Utes were back in the WAC, there's little doubt Holmoe/Mendenhall wouldn't have demanded the same from us. Afterall...they've been doing it for years to Utah State.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 9:06 a.m.


    "The ONLY thing the Utes have accomplished since 2008, is a lucky win over BYU in 2010, and a big win over BYU in 2011 that was due mostly to the Cougars self-destructing."

    OR...the ONLY reason the cougars played Utah as closely as they did back in 2010 was because it was the injury-riddled UTES who were self-destructing. But, since good teams find a way to win, we won anyway. Only just by less points than what we were capable of. We WERE the favored team that year, ya know. In 2010, Utah finished 10-3, whereas YOUR boys finished 7-6. And remember, you had to cheat [SDSU] just to get that 6th win to ensure you'd make it to the postseason. Our blowout win in 2011 was because we WEREN'T self-destructing that day.

    You see that? It goes both ways.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 9:00 a.m.


    "USC and Stanford are able to play Notre Dame every year and plan to continue to do so. There is really no reason that Utah cannot continue playing BYU."

    Yeah, but Notre Dame isn't so WAC-ish and mid-majorey. So no real comparison there.

    "It would be Utah highest rated game of the year and likely one of the highest rated for any PAC 12 team."

    How so? It wasn't our highest rated game LAST year! Why would it be our highest rated game(s) in the future? Our former rivalry was the highest rated game IN THE MWC ONLY! And even THEN, Utah had several higher rated games vs. Texas A&M, Cal, Oregon, Pittsburgh, and Alabama. But we're not in the MWC anymore, so it isn't you anymore. Our highest rated game for 2012 would most likely be USC. Don't be so frantic and emotional.

    The campus is your world.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 8:54 a.m.


    "BYU draws three to four more fans on television than the Utes and even more versus the Aggies."

    Care to back that up? Because I seem to recall that it was Utah who was getting the larger television audience. Didn't the 2011 Sun Bowl receive a 2.71 Nielsen rating, vs. the paltry 1.43 for the corresponding Armed Forces Bowl? That's nearly DOUBLE the viewership that our little brothers received; obviously NOT the 1/3 to 1/4 valuation you'd fantasized about. How embarrassing for you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 8:49 a.m.


    "'s clear ute fans know that they are the ones running away."

    Running away? From the team that we've beaten 7 of the last 10 times? From the team that will need an entire generation of wins against their big brothers just to EVEN the series? From the team we POUNDED on national television -- at LES no less -- 54-10? What a frantic and emotional thing to say. You sound like that tiny neighborhood dog who chases after kids on their bicycles AS THEY'RE RIDING AWAY, but turns tail and flees the moment that kid stops and/or turns his bike around.

    Nope, Utah isn't running away. Just look at who we scheduled? Michigan. True, we had to back out against USU to ensure this game could be scheduled, but that doesn't mean we ran from the Aggies. And likewise, we don't run from our little brothers in Provo. In fact, I think it's clear by the cougars' refusal to accept a 2-for-1 at RES that it's the Y who is running away.

    Whatever. They won't be missed.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 8:41 a.m.


    "Word is, ESPN is currently in the process of scheduling BYU home,home & Neutral games series with Syracuse, Ohio State, Nebraska, UCLA, and Wisconsin."

    Yes, I read that "word" on DeepshadesofBlue A YEAR AGO! And thus far, all you got was a one-off with Nebraska. On the other hand, the "word" that Utah was buying out their return game to USU in favor of scheduling a BigTen team instead, came out last month. I even predicted that BigTen game would have most likely been either Michigan, Penn St, or Purdue. So why was Utah able to close this deal within a month, while your "legacy program" is still spewing that very same unverifiable folklore for going on 12-months now?

    It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the "54-10 Quitters" announced future contracted matchups with NMSU and Idaho before we'd hear anything about additional games being scheduled vs. Syracuse, Ohio St, Nebraska, UCLA, Wisconsin, ASU, USC, or Penn State.

    What dark days these are for your people.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 28, 2012 8:33 a.m.


    "The Michigan series is part of the PAC/B1G scheduling agreement. It is nothing Utah did."

    As has already been mentioned a couple of times, the Pac-12/BigTen agreement does not take effect until 2017. Our scheduled Home-&-Home with them is for the 2014 and 2015 seasons. Colorado has a game at Michigan in 2016, but with no return game. That should tell you something.

    Besides, claiming a solid marquee matchup between the Utes and a big name BigTen team would have been nothing more than a product of the Pac-12/BigTen agreement seems a little hypocritical coming from a WACey fanbase who touts ESPN execs as the ones responsible for their Texas and Ga. Tech games. What's the difference? How is it boastworthy for ESPN executives lining up games the Indy-WACers couldn't otherwise get, but shameful when Pac-12 Network executives allegedly do so likewise for your big brothers on the Hill?

    There is no comparison between the rivalry between USC and ND with Utah and our little brothers. ND isn't WAC-ish and mid-majorey. If they WERE, then USC wouldn't schedule them anymore either.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 28, 2012 7:56 a.m.

    Some more truth syrum for BYU fans.

    Just listen to the two coaches and you'll see who needs this game to continue.

    Kyle: "Our program is bigger than the rivalry."

    And last night on Kall700....

    Bronco: "For me, our schedule starts and ends with the rivalry game with Utah."

    Ouch, that has got to sting.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 28, 2012 7:22 a.m.

    Utah is such a bunch of babies. Look at LSU, playing two very tough teams out of the SEC and still made it to the championship. The PAC is very weak, with only 2-3 good teams in any given year. USU is worthless and does nothing for BYU, and I don't know why we play them. BYU might as well play Dixie. Please, let's get rid of all WAC teams for good. BYU fans are ready to move on to bigger and better teams and play teams that actually have some tradition like BYU.

  • Proud Ute ,
    June 28, 2012 7:17 a.m.

    I love how this "legacy" program has been reduced to baiting it's rival in the media to get a game. Who needs who?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 28, 2012 5:36 a.m.


    Northern Colorado is a cupcake, but most every team in any conference has a tune up game. Utah is playing Michigan and will have solid opponents for 2 of the 3 non-conference games each year.

    BYU will continue to play solid teams for half their schedule, but will have breaks relative to heavy wear and tear for the other half (which by the way are cupcakes to fit your description).

    The grind of the PAC 12 is a weak in and weak out grind. Schedules do need balance.

    Also, like I said, Utah only has 3 games to work with out of conference each year because they have 9 conference games. On years when they play 5 conference road games, they can't schedule more road games out of conference without taking balance away.

    I think if BYU played twice at RES in 2012 and 2013, and then went back to a home and home there on out, Utah might budge.

    I do think Utah needs variety out of conference though. Otherwise, counting the conference games, Utah is playing the same teams most years. USU and BYU is too much.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 28, 2012 3:11 a.m.

    I guess after that 54 - 10 whoopin the Cougs got last year and the fact that they have only one 30% of their games against Utah in the last 10 years -- it can make them pretty bitter!

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    June 28, 2012 2:54 a.m.

    If the rivalry ends, BYU's pride will be just as responsible as Utah's moving up. BYU schedule's 2 for 1's all the time. The ball is in their court to do so now. I do hope they find a way to keep playing but I am not optimistic about it.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    June 28, 2012 1:09 a.m.

    1) BYU is as valuable to Utah's schedule as North Colorado

    2) Michigan is as valuable to Utah's schedule as USC, Standford or Oregon

    3) Utah is more valuable to BYU's schedule than a Notre Dame or Georgia Tech

    It's understand why Utah does not want/need to play BYU.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 28, 2012 12:18 a.m.


    Sorry to burst your bubble with a little reality check, but the Utes have been in steady decline since they reached their high-water mark in 2008.

    #2/#4 - conference champion
    unranked/unranked - losing conference record

    The ONLY thing the Utes have accomplished since 2008, is a lucky win over BYU in 2010, and a big win over BYU in 2011 that was due mostly to the Cougars self-destructing.

    Ironically, the Utes are ready to turn their backs on their only source of pride since 2008.

    Pride cometh before the fall, and Utah is headed for a big fall. A couple of losing seasons and no bowl games, and RES will start to resemble Rice Stadium of old when Utah barely drew 30,000 fans, except when the Cougars came to town. Except this time, the only Cougars coming to town will be the Wazoo.

    Enjoy the fall. Don't say U weren't warned.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    @Uteanymous: "Utah is nothing but a bottom-dwelling, big boy conference wannabe"


    According to college football experts you are wrong:

    "Utah has accomplished something that is difficult to do in the world of collegiate sports - make a significant climb up the food chain... There isn't a huge sample size yet, but Utah proved last season that it can be relevant in the Pac-12, even in a season in which it suffered significant injuries. The program has a highly respected coach in Kyle Whittingham who has proven that he has a program that can compete on a national level."

    -- Mitch Light (Athlon Sports)

    “The Utes need to have games against major non-conference teams in their schedules... Even though the Utes don't have much experience as a member of a major conference, they do have a brand thanks to their undefeated seasons in 2004 and 2008. They've established themselves, but what they have to do now is keep re-emphasizing that brand and doing things like this, upgrading the schedule [by adding Michigan], is a major move."

    ---- Tony Barnhart (College football analyst for CBS Sports)

  • SportsFann Bountiful, UT
    June 27, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    Utah is getting pretty big for its britches. They show their arrogance by looking at BYU as a "we'll have to wait and see" series. I guess fans don't matter, tradition doesn't matter. What's best only for Utah matters. Ten years from now after the Utes show they can not compete on a regular basis with the PAC schools the stadium will go back to the days of empty seats. It will be fun to watch.

  • PAC Member Kaysville, UT
    June 27, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    Cougar fans need to understand that Utah's football program is now bigger than the rivalry. Utah has simply outgrown BYU. Obviously BYU wants to schedule Utah for the rivalry's sake, but equally or more so for the sake of their schedule. BYU is good at scheduling 2 for 1's which clearly shows their program's strength = equals great "away" schedule and "so-so" home schedule with a bunch "Insert Name States."

    Neither BYU nor Utah would agree to a 2 and 1 series and neither should. Utah will play a solid PAC 12 schedule and a team from the Big 10 each year. With that type of schedule, the BYU game becomes inconsequential. If Utah beats BYU . . . "so what." If Utah loses to BYU . . . "so what." The game is meaningless.

    To "Robroy" playing LES: Given your independence, BYU is going to be challenged to fill that big stadium. Fans have already starting shifting from the Y to Utah to enjoy week-after-week solid competition. Utah has outgrown the rivalry and all there is left is the bitter taste of Utah's success in the mouth's of the "mid major" Y fan.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2012 9:43 p.m.


    "If BYU wanted to play Utah bad enough, BYU would be willing to negotiate a 2-1 at RES. BYU is such a primadonna..."

    For definition of primadonna, see mirror.

    BYU simply wants to play the game home-and-home as always. Sorry to burst your arrogant bubble, but Utah is nothing but a bottom-dwelling, big boy conference wannabe. Despite the vastly over-inflated egos on the hill, the Utes simply don't have the national cachet to even think about asking for, let alone demanding, a 2-for-1 from a legacy program like BYU.

    If the BYU-Utah rivalry game dies, it will be entirely due to the selfishness and misguided arrogance of Utah.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    June 27, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    "I can say, from where we are, we'd like to play them every year. I think that the game itself has such a fantastic tradition — a number past games have gone down to the very last play. It's an intriguing matchup, one of the best rivalries in world, in any sport, and to think it might go away doesn't make a lot of sense to me."
    ---Coach Mendenhall

    Pretty much how I feel too.

    Make it happen, Dr. Hill.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    June 27, 2012 8:18 p.m.

    I have many of the same feelings/concerns that you express. There have been times that I would have like to see the rivary die. There have been plenty of times that I felt the fan base acted like the worse type Middle School Low Achievers, compared to the middle school high achievers. Their madness seems anything but intelligent from either University. I live near the great USC / UCLA Rivary. You don't see the same childish hate going on between these two Univerities. The fan base acts more like college students and alumni should act.

    I agree with Abeille, that if our imature hatered brings out the uglyleness of it's fans, it is better that the rivarly dies.
    In my opinion, the best case scenario would be for both Univrsities to respect each other, bury the hatchet and act like college students and alumi and not like a bunch of Middle School Jerks, compared to bright intelligent Middle School Students. Can't we just get along. (Rodney King).

  • Mark D LAS VEGAS, NV
    June 27, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    As an Arizona State University Alum, its interesting how the Ute fans are preoccupied in the least about an "out-of-conference" game with BYU hurting them (in any way) going into conference play... Any previous BCS success Utah experienced was coming out of a "weaker" conference (MWC) - Ute fans should be more focused on working their way to "relevancy" in the PAC12, and less about scheduling or beating a long-time rival year in and year out... ASU is more focused on PAC12 success, than whether they beat Illinois or Missouri (not to mention Northern Arizona) this year. As a BCS conference, success in the PAC12 translates into BCS opportunity, period.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 27, 2012 7:28 p.m.

    @Johnny Triumph

    "I LOVE the comments about BCS...I guess those commenting didn't read the news today that it's all done now."

    I LOVE the comments celebrating the end of the BCS as we know it. The new BCS just pushed out the Big East and the ACC. Non-BCS schools are getting pushed even further away.

    But, the worst part is that they will change the name of the "BCS National Championship" to just the "National Championship" while cutting out half of all the possible teams from even participating.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    June 27, 2012 7:02 p.m.

    wgred wvc
    I had scholarship box seat tickets for years and actually got a degree from utah. I got fed up with the "fans" that I gave up the seats, but still contribute to the school. The final straw was a "fan" urinating on the field after a game. BYU's athletics is just more exciting and family friendly. Good luck in filling the stadium.....

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    June 27, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    @ GoGetter 6:08pm

    Do you mean mid majors like Boise State who own U?

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2012 6:19 p.m.

    So tell me again GoGetter, who is the prima donna??? Funny what arrogance can do to an entire fan base.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2012 6:08 p.m.

    It's time for Utah to put the mid-majors to rest. If it's in Utah's court, then so be it. If BYU wanted to play Utah bad enough, BYU would be willing to negotiate a 2-1 at RES. BYU is such a primadonna, Utah doesn't need them. I say if it isn't at least 2-1 home at RES, then it's not worth ADJUSTING and tweaking the already extraordinary schedules in the future.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    @ Jeff

    1. Neither team needs it. But I don't think BYU's September schedule is as strong as you think it is.

    2. The comparison is completely relevant. Clearly Utah has taken the upper hand in the rivalry and Utah holds a higher status as far a conf. affiliation goes. If BYU determines that it currently does not make financial sense to play Utah 2-for-1 than so be it. But a home-home series with BYU might not make financial success to Utah either. There are a lot more momentary aspects to consider besides just the gate revenue.

    3. Pac-12 Network & accompanying TV deal with virtually every other sports network. Utah will not have a problem getting on TV.

    4. 9 of the 10 BCS teams Utah plays are more important than the BYU game. That leaves a tune-up game and a game for recruiting purposes. I hope Utah and BYU continue to play, it just won't be annually.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    @ Benderman1

    The Utah-UM series is not part of the Pac-BIG agreement. It doesn't start until 2017.

    UNCO helps with scheduling because it is a home (tune-up) game and UNCO can't demand a return game in Greeley, CO. K-Whit is following the model set by the SEC it's the SEC who has been winning all of the national titles lately. I could argue that it would be foolish to not follow that model....

    Hawaii is USC's warmup game. Granted they are stronger than UNCO, but the Warriors are still not a great team. And I have to agree with you that Utah does not think we are the same caliber program as USC is. Clearly Utah is not. Hopefully in time Utah will grow and will perennially challenge the Trojans for the South Division.

    BYU fans keep saying Utah is scared, but that is simply untrue. Utah is doing what is best for the football program, and that calls for not playing BYU annually due to schedule constraints.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 27, 2012 5:09 p.m.


    1)Have you seen BYU's track record getting the top in-state LDS talent to commit the last 3 recruiting cycles? BYU badly needs this game to try and get themselves something to brag about compared to Utah. BYU is getting less then 20% of the best local talent recently. When that's your largest recruiting pool, that's not a good sign. Them needing this game has much more to do with recruiting than scheduling.

    2)I wouldn't compare the Notre Dame/BYU relationship football wise to the USU/BYU "rivalry", yet they demanded a 2-1 from BYU. Just the way of the world. Bigger programs don't need to play road games at non-BCS teams.

    3)Funny enough, after last years debacle, ESPN has moved the Utah/BYU game to ESPN2, at 8:00. Guess they were tired of seeing BYU get exposed.

    4)BYU is a good opponent, no denying that. Yet they come with zero credibility, and thus zero reward. Win and you should have, lose and you are embarrassed. In-state recruits are already flocking to Utah, no incentive there anymore. Nothing to gain on Utah's end.

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    June 27, 2012 5:08 p.m.


    Utah state has beaten BYU 3 times since 1980 (1982, 1993 and 2011). Some games have been competitive along the way. However, for the most part, this series has been very one-sided for over 30 years. For most BYU fans, the Utah State game is not a big deal because it has been one-sided. That may change if USU starts winning more than once a decade.

    Utah has beaten BYU 11 times during that same time period. Utah was a dormat to BYU for years as well. The rivalry has picked up and been more meaningful once Utah started winning some games and had some BCS success. However, they are 3-3 the last 6 years. A 2 for 1 is ridiculous and irrational and says alot about any fan who thinks like that. Not a chance Holmoe signs up for that.

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    June 27, 2012 5:05 p.m.

    One last Point:

    USC and Stanford are able to play Notre Dame every year and plan to continue to do so. There is really no reason that Utah cannot continue playing BYU. And before you start your posts about BYU not being Notre Dame, remember that Utah is definitely not USC or Stanford.

    I think it is actually very short-sighted on the part of the PAC 12 to not allow Utah to play BYU at the end of the year. They could partner with ESPN to have the game played every year on Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving weekend on national TV. It would be huge exposure for both teams and for the PAC 12. It would be Utah highest rated game of the year and likely one of the highest rated for any PAC 12 team.

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    @Howard S.

    BYU will never be PAC12 worthy as they will never give up their religious ties.

    Do you really think there is any other reason that the U was invited over the Y?

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    I have never been a fan of Utah and am an advocate of BYU never playing them again. BYU does not need Utah. That said, the powers that be, for whatever reason, want the rivalry to continue. However, the ball is clearly in Utah's court - and I think Coach Willingham has made it clear that he no longer wants to play BYU. You know, he's above the rivalry now and has bigger and better things to be concerned with.

    As for the Utah fans calling for a 2 for 1. Funny how BYU used to be accused of being arrogant. Now the shoe is clearly on the other foot. And as for the 2 for 1 - it will never happen. BYU is clearly not having difficulties getting quality teams on the schedule, so no need to even have Utah in the equation. If anything, BYU ought to be demanding the 2 for 1 - 65,000 fans compared to 45,000 is a bunch of money.

    Let the rivalry die!

  • Jeff29 Cedar City, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    A couple points:

    1. BYU does not "need" this game as many of U claim. They have no problem scheduling big name programs in September and most of October. If you want to start talking about playing in November, then, yes, the game would be more beneficial to BYU for scheduling reasons.

    2. The BYU/USU 2 for 1 comparison is completely irrelevant. I know many of U get a bit illogical when talking about BYU but are you really claiming that the Utah/BYU relationship is equivalent to BYU/USU? If so you have completely lost any credibility. In addition, it makes no sense from a financial standpoint to play at USU (which is similar to the BYU/Utah relationship as it makes no sense financially to play RES).

    3. The BYU/Utah game is one of only a few games when the Utes are on national TV.

    4. Don't talk about playing 10 BCS teams as an excuse. First, it admits that BYU is a strong opponent which wrecks many of your arguments, and second the PAC-12 has some pretty bad teams.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    Don't blame the Cougars for the curtailment of the rivalry...

    Why not... If the Cougars were PAC 12 worthy they would have been invited as Utah's partner.

    But, they're not PAC12 worthy... whose fault is that? Utah's... I don't think so.

    C'mon Cougars get yourself PAC12 worthy or stop your whining.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:44 p.m.


    "Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team - Kyle has lost to two of them."

    And what is Bronco's record against ranked teams? Or even winning teams for that matter? I'll give you a hint, it's really, really bad.

    "Bronco has FIVE Top 25 Finishes, compared to only THREE for Kyle."

    If BYU fans are happy with the way they snuck into the final top 25 rankings last year, after a season full of beating up on garbage teams, while losing to the few good teams you played, that says a lot about the expectation level in Provo. I guarantee every Utah fan on this board would take last years 8-5, over the 10 win season previous, with a MWC schedule. But to each his own.

    "Bronco has a better overall record than Kyle."

    Big deal, you see BYU's schedule last year! Kyle is 4-3 head-to-head with Bronco, including 2-2 in LES, and 2 absolute demolishings. Soon to be 5-3.

    And finally, the ultimate trump card. Kyle has a Sugar Bowl win, and perfection. Bronco, not so much.

    Good, never great = BYU
    Good, can be great = Utah

  • teleste Austin, TX
    June 27, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    Move on to bigger and better things Utah.

    BYU isn't worth hanging around for.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 27, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    Utah is fooling themselves if they think they'll be competitive in their new surrounding. They'll crawl back to the MWC hoping BYU will support them with some TV revenue. Can't blame them for trying.

  • EMBO23 Riverton, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    I'm a BYU fan and I say call the Utes bluff; take the 2 for 1 and have the opportunity for more Beck and Hall-type finishes in's worth it to keep the rivalry alive.

    If Utah is smart, they'll cancel the rivalry all together and just take their poundings from teams in the PAC12.

    Good luck to both the Cougs and the Utes. It is fun to watch them both.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    June 27, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Re: Ute Alumni (BYU fan)

    You'll have to first FIND the BYU-Notre Dame rivalry before you take it.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    June 27, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    After reading these comments, I'm perfectly fine with this series dying. If the comments on this board repressent the average fan's views on this subject, I'd be happy to never see this series played again. The lack of brotherhood and the insults being thrown around would have been an embarassment to both these Universities just a few decades ago.

    No - BYU does not need Utah. No - Utah does not need BYU. But in the past, both these administrations and fans have had a great deal of respect for the other. If this is no longer the case, please, please let this series die! Although I'm a Cougar at heart, I still cheer for the Utes. This foolish contention is ridiculous!

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    I hope this rivalry is over. It got too intense.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:15 p.m.


    "Average gate at LES is $1.3 million+ > RES
    and $2.6 million+ > Romney"

    Based on? Judging by the $25 livingsocial deal that just ran, I'm pretty sure your math won't quite work. I mean seriously, $25 for 4 football games and 8 basketball games? Down from the regular price of a whopping $60?

    Sorry but your shear number of butts in seats doesn't tell the whole story.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:12 p.m.


    "The Utes will continue to get better and better..."


    supposedly better recruits don't seem to be helping Utah's downward spiral in on-field performance; or maybe you missed last season's debacle versus the Buffs.

    Despite your hyperbole, your myopic analysis completely ignores several facts:

    5 of the last 7 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes.

    Bronco has FIVE Top 25 Finishes, compared to only THREE for Kyle.
    Bronco has THREE Top 15 Finishes, compared to only ONE for Kyle.
    Bronco has TWO conference championships, compared to only ONE for Kyle.
    Bronco has a better overall record than Kyle.
    Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team - Kyle has lost to two of them.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:10 p.m.


    "The only Ute game I have ever been to was the one where we got free tickets at Subway."

    Did you notice the deal that was just run on LivingSocial? A whopping $25 got a person 4 football tickets and 8 basketball tickets. And yet fans like you want to make fun of our cute little stadium in which 1 ticket costs more than your season ticket package.

    By the way, that $25 was a steal of a deal ... that package normally goes for $60! Wow, the demand for tickets to BYU games is just getting out of control!

  • CG Orem, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    LES seats 20,000 more than RES and 40,000 more than Romney Stadium.


    BYU draws three to four more fans on television than the Utes and even more versus the Aggies.

    Economically, even a Utah student should be able to figure out that it makes much more sense to play the majority of football games at LES.

    Average gate at LES is $1.3 million+ > RES
    and $2.6 million+ > Romney

    Besides, having a chance to beat BYU is the highlight of Utah's season. The Utes certainly aren't creating in highlights in the PAC.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    Worf @ 2:00

    Best comment yet - way to compare! Impressive, putting 3 of the Y's 4 best opponents against 2 of Utah's 3 worst opponents, almost had me convinced......almost.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    @Johnny Triumph

    "I LOVE the comments about BCS...I guess those commenting didn't read the news today that it's all done now."

    If you really think the BCS is TRULY done then I have some beach front property I'd like you to look at.

    You may want to view the fine print in regard to the new playoff format ... and my beach front property.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 27, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    Rivalries don't make two for one deals. Utah's arrogance is the only thing that's seeking it. Please name me one intense rivalry that would make that kind of a deal.

    Bronco and Holmoe were awesome today on the rivalry and it's clear ute fans know (they even watched BYU's media day) that they are the ones running away. What are they really afraid of? If the are so much better than BYU why won't they play them? Hmm it must be something else...what is it?

  • BacanaUte Holladay, UT
    June 27, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    Utah has no reason what so ever to play BYU anymore. BYU is not in a BCS conference so if Utah beats BYU, then according to pollsters, they should have and if Utah losses, it is a big hit to Utah in the polls. Utah already has 9 conference games and in the near future will have a game every year against a BIG 10 opponent, already have Michigan for the 2014-2015 seasons. That leaves 2 open games a year and what enticement is there for Utah to spend one of those on BYU?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 27, 2012 3:09 p.m.


    You should do a little more research. The Pac-12/Big-10 agreement doesn't start to affect schedules to 2017. The upcoming Utah/Michigan series IS NOT PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. It takes place a full 3 years before.

    Amazing what a little fact finding will do for your credibility.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    Why in the world would Byu want to continue to play Utah...Byu has won only 30% of the meetings in the last 10 years...The Utes have the 32nd best ranking class this year....byu meanwhile is ranked #60.......this is what you call a TREND......The Utes will continue to get better and better recruits..byu will stay stagnate..just like they have since Lavell Edwards resigned........

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    Big Ute fan here. I hope the rivalry game continues. I resent the super conference/ TV deal stuff that controls college football. I think it would be a waste to not play in state rivals. That is what football is all about and what makes the game fun. I agree that Utah could move on and can make a case for not needing/wanting this game. But the game itself is such a great Utah tradition and the rivalry is one of the best anywhere. This game should not die.

    June 27, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    @ute alumni

    For being a supposed Ute alumni, you sure disparage the University of Utah in all of your posts. Come on and admit that you are simply a BYU fan, and an obvious anti-Ute fan.

    But don't insult the rest of us true Utah fans who really did graduate from the U, and who support the university on its move to the PAC 12.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    The only Ute game I have ever been to was the one where we got free tickets at Subway. You know, the one where Utah was playing Cal on national TV during Urban's first year? They wanted so badly to make their stadium look full on national TV that they gave away tickets. Now that is the sign of a strong football power with a lasting tradition! They'll eventually have to give away tickets again with their fans have no other team on their schedule to hate...well, maybe Northern Colorado. Have fun with that.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 27, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    Word is, ESPN is currently in the process of scheduling BYU home,home & Neutral games series with Syracuse, Ohio State, Nebraska, UCLA, and Wisconsin. Along with a 2 game series with Arizona St., USC, and Penn State. I'm sure not all of these will pan out, but usually where there's smoke, there's fire. Starting in 2014, I anticipate some of these programs will start appearing on the BYU schedules.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching

    The Michigan series is part of the PAC/B1G scheduling agreement. It is nothing Utah did. So how does opening to teams like Northern Colorado help you as far as scheduling? You say you need a "tune up" game but others read into that as you are scared. What "tune up" games does USC play? Instead, they chose to continue their rivalry with ND at the sacrifice of a "tune up" game. What it comes down to is Utah is scared and doesnt' even think of themselves as being the caliber of teams like USC.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 27, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    I would be a lot more sympathetic to BYU and their demands if it wasn't for the fact that they are demanding a 2-1 from Utah State to do them the favor of playing them. If you are going to take that attitude toward an in-state rival, don't complain if Utah does the same thing to you.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    I LOVE the comments about BCS...I guess those commenting didn't read the news today that it's all done now.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    June 27, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    I would be fine with doing a 2for1 with the Utes, as long as the Rivalry game is moved back to November. I would say that is a fair compromise for both programs. Let's be honest, BYU needs strength in the November line-up, BYU was the only quality team with a winning record that Utah beat last regular season. Honestly, it will be a 2-5 more years before Utah is even competitive in the PAC-12 south. Winning the rivalry may be the only thing going for the U in the next few years. If BYU continues to win 10+ games per season while being on National TV for 8-10 games, why would in state recruits pick the U? The U needs to consistently demonstrate it is the premier program in the state if it wants to keep its recruiting foothold. Going 4-5 in the PAC is not doing you any favors. Bottom line, continuing the rivalry is better for EVERYONE

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    BYU is interested in maintaining the rivalry purely to benefit the state. Utah sees this only as a liability as a loss to the Cougars would put them in a tougher spot going into conf play. BYU is just as capable as Utah to schedule quality teams. And really, neither team benefits much from maintaining the rivalry, outside of keeping some sort of relevant tie between the schools where such a grand history exists.

  • andrewute1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:09 p.m.


    Utah just scheduled Michigan with a home and home. Im sure they are just terrified of competition. Byu are the ones that are scared, if they werent they would schedule 2 for 1's with Utah. Have fun in Las Cruces this year pal.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    It is more than disingenuous for Holmoe or any journalist to say it is all on the Utes. The Ute's have atlest 10 BCS schools built into their schedule going forward (9 conference and 1 big ten). BYU is playing 6 BCS teams with another 5-6 scheduled wins. The scales are not equal. Why should Utah bare the far greater burden?
    Bottom line, I say play the game. I do not believe the risk to Utah is as high as Chris Hill makes out, the last time BYU had a sizable victory was 1996. The Utes are blowing the y out of the water about every other year. There is a separation and I do not see why we would not play BYU only to substitute them with some other wac team.

  • mattman1 Taylorsville, UT
    June 27, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching

    BYU does not need to schedule Utah to fill a 12 team schedule. Utah can only play in the beginning of the season, when everyone else can. BYU could easily find someone of similar caliber to fill the slot. BYU wants to keep it alive and Utah cares more about keeping it's schedule clean than keeping a 100+ year tradition alive.

    Sad to see this go away. I don't think it will continue, though.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 27, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    Let the series die. The Cougs will play Notre Dame, Texas, and Boise State, while the utes will be challenged by Northern Colorado, and Montana State.

    Time to move forward.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    i'll take the Notre Dame rivalry anyday. i prefer as a Utah alumnus and BYU fan to cut Utah off all together. utah can have their pac 10 plus 2.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    Just like their basketball program, the football team is afraid that playing in-state teams will negatively affect their in-state recruiting.
    The u little brother complex lives on in many of these posts.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Memo to Holmoe and Bronco....

    The rivalry ball has been in big brothers court since the day Utah joined the Pac-12. Everyone knows BYU needs the rivalry to continue. 1)It's their annual bowl game. 2)At the rate they are losing in-state commits to Utah, it's the only chance they have to get a leg up on Utah. 3)The only thing that matter to BYU now is finding a way to beat Utah. The rest of their schedule are simply exhibition games.

    This is like someone calling their boss and quiting, minutes before they are offically to be fired!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 27, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    I think BYU needs to shift its focus to San Jose St.

    The Spartans own them with a 9-6 record!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    Utah gains nothing from playing at BYU in 2013 and 2014. Our SOS will be just fine without it. In fact our road schedule for the next two years is on par or better than the SEC:

    2013 4 road games: Arizona, Oregon, Stanford, USC
    That is 3 possible top 10 teams on the road.

    2014 6 road games: Michigan, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington
    2014 home games: Arizona, Oregon, Stanford, USC
    That is 4 possible top 10 teams, 1 on the road.

    I guess the Utah-BYU rivalry is dead unless BYU does a 2-for-1, maybe?? Otherwise BYU's 2-for-1 against Utah State will be its new rivalry.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    Also Benderman,

    Your hyperbole regarding the size of Utah's stadium strikes credibility from your claim.


    BYU plays USU only when the Aggies agree to 2-for-1 deals. Utah is in a better position so why is it unreasonable for Utah to asky BYU for a 2-for-1? I agree that neither team "needs" to rivalry but I believe it is more important to BYU due to the challenges of filling a 12-game schedule.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    @ Benderman

    You know that Utah just barely finalized a home-home series with Michigan right? Balancing the schedule refers to far more than just the strength of opponents. It also includes keeping at least six (but probably more) home games and it includes games that will positively impact recruiting. Playing BYU every year plus a BIG team leaves only one game for Utah to "tune-up" AND to play in recruiting hot beds. There simply are not enough spots for Utah to keep BYU on the schedule annually and to accomplish all of its OCC goals.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    Why should BYU agree to a 2 for 1? They don't "need" the rivalry just like Utah doesn't "need" it either. They simply want to continue the rivalry because it is a Utah tradition. Besides, playing 2 for 1 would be a waste of money. After all, RES isn't much bigger than a high school stadium. More revenue is generated in a 65,000 seat stadium than playing in a stadium half that size. Maybe that is why you want a 2 for 1. That way, you can generate the same amount of ticket sales that BYU would earn for that one game. Hmmm.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    June 27, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    We don't need the rivalry. Neither team does! But BYU wants the rivalry and is willing to be humble. Utah is suddenly to good though for us. And then they call BYU fans proud. Yes, they beat us 54-10. Great they were better last year. But this rivalry game is a good thing that should continue! BYU is willing. Utah should step up to the plate. BYU doesnt need a rivalry with USU. We are in a better position and are a better all around team yet we are willing to play them. BYU is a class act. I'm disappointed the way Utah is handling this. I am NOT saying Utah sucks and bashing them. I hope they do well! Really! They could just handle this situation better is all I'm saying. Both teams have a history of being good. Let the game continue. We're willing.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    Naval Vet, I've read some of your posts on other articles and frankly, they don't make any sense. What do you mean "WAC-ish"? Are you referring to the WAC teams BYU scheduled during their first two years? I'd say BYU did a fantastic job putting their schedule together during their first two years as Indys. And how does BYU's move to independence decrease their ability to play the rivalry game? Did you not even bother to read the article? It is Utah's limitations placed on them by the PAC that is preventing the rivlary game. What this comes down to is Utah wants to keep scheduling cupcake teams to open each year (Northern Colorado). Utah is afraid to play too many tough teams. Coach Whit even admitted that they are trying to "balance" their schedule. In other words, they are afraid to keep playing BYU. Well, I hope the Northern Colorado's help with Utah's strength of schedule because suddenly, that is even more important with the new playoff system. YOu don't see USC playing afraid by trying to schedule 1AA teams.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    June 27, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    I think BYU should only consider playing the utes in LES in the future. If that's not good with the utes...bye bye. There's no benefit to playing in that puny stadium up north. Besides, BYU has plenty of opportunities already to play lower echelon Pathetic 12 teams.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    "If the Utah-BYU rivalry dies, or is even curtailed, don't blame the Cougars." -- Brad Rock

    Oh no? Well then whose fault IS it that the cougars are so WAC-ish and mid-majorey? If I'm not mistaken, bolting the MWC for a WAC-ish irrelevancy WAS the cougars fault. And so was the reason they were never good enough to qualify for a BCS bowl. All they did was "Quest" for it, but that's not really getting it done.

    If the cougars start to play USU in late November, what will become of that riveting rivalry with New Mexico State that Indy-WACey fans worldwide tune in to on ESPN late at night to watch after the rest of their neighborhoods have already gone to bed?

    Come on Holmoe. You know this rivalry means a lot more to you than it does to us. Step up, and beg Dr. Hill for a deal to play 2 games at RES for every game at LES. It's what's needed to maintain this rivalry.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    If BYU REALLY wanted to keep playing Utah every year they would agree to a 2-for-1 deal. I think BYU and USU playing during the final week is a pretty good idea though. BYU would raise interest in their November schedule and USU would get an exciting finally against the team they love to hate the most.