Latino students face barriers to higher education

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  • Denverite Centennial, CO
    June 14, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    The kid's in a tough spot--and it's his parents' fault. Ironic that people hoping to give their kids a better life by breaking a few "minor" rules have actually hosed them.

    But the idea that his problems (and those of the other kids in his spot) would all be solved by a college degree is ridiculous--and a sales pitch promoted by those who make money by getting people into college, those who make money by hiring college graduates, and those college graduates who were told that their degree was the only thing that got them in the door.

    If the parents are here illegally and somehow the dad has a business anyway...then clearly the kid could start his own business by expanding some aspect of what his father is already doing. Read a few business books at the library for free, spend some time thinking of what to do and how to do it, read the state rules about starting a new business online for free, and he may be all set.

    Then in a few years, he has a successful business and may never need a college degree.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Sorry, but persons who do not respect the rule of law are not entitled to steal its fruits. It doesn't work that way. Respect for the rule of law is not a cultural value where many of these people come from. The United States must not tolerate the importation of inferior cultural values -- such as disrespect for the rule of law -- into this country.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2012 7:43 p.m.

    For those of you who really do desire to be "Compassionate" to the plight of these poor illegal aliens you can if you choose do this. Under Utah law HB 469 2011 legislative session established a bill that will allow you to sponsor an illegal alien to be in Utah. You may also sponsor their family. All you have to do is be responsible for the person. There. This problem has been solved for over a year. There Must be some compassionate people in Utah.
    The young illegal alien can also take personal responsibility when they turn 18 years old and begin the process of applying for a student visa. They have 160 days to do this with no penalties. Would it not be wonderful to visit the rest of the family back in their home county while waiting in line for legalization.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    I find it difficult to understand some of the comments, although in the minority, still would support illegals or undocumented persons to break the law of the land. They seem to allow their compassionate sides to rationalize breaking of these laws. Is there some reason they think that illegals are above the laws? Do they actually support closing our eyes to these laws of the land and not enforce them? Do they not understand that the citizen taxpayer is paying for all the costs that the illegals are forcing upon us?

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    June 27, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    Utah has leaders that don't care about the plight of the citizens children nor illegal immigrant children. It all has to do with cheap labor and lowering wages. Utah already has the lowest wages in the country. We also are one of the highest taxed. The laws in Utah have to do with businesses who want monetary value now, at the expense of citizens and cheap labor. The truth it starting to show. When you take the jobs from citizens, they can't pay entitlements. The citizens have to pay the entitlements to take care of illegal immigrants because they are being paid slave wages and no benefits. What goes around comes around. Watch out Utah. We are third world and we won't have the money to buy anything from those who turn a blind eye to Exploitation Of Humans.

  • Gosh-DUH Burlington, CT
    June 27, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    This is a fascinating article about a Latino high school graduate. Unfortunately, it was given an inaccurate title. Should have been "Undocumented Hispanic immigrant faces barriers to higher education". The current title suggests that the barriers he faces are based on his heritage, when in fact the barriers are self- and family-imposed. In this economy, it is difficult for young college students to earn enough to pay for tuition. His undocumented status makes it illegal for him to get a job to pay for tuition. That is not based on racism; it is a consequence of illegal status. I wish him much luck in pursuing legal status.

  • emZ Rexburg, ID
    June 27, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin,

    I have known several individuals as they have gone through the process to immigrate legally. They must wade through endless bureaucratic laws a shell out thousands of dollars. For example, I have a friend who came her legally from South America with her husband, a US Citizren. After thousands of dollars, dozens of trips to the consulate, and nearly a year of waiting, she was finally awarded a work permit that will allow her the simple priviledge of driving and finding a job. However, when she came to the US, immigration officials mistakenly neglected to stamp her visa correctly. Now she is being punished for a US agency's mistake with more waiting before she can take advantage of a privilege witth which she has technically already been given. I might add that she and her husband both come from well-off families. The majority from her country are far, far poorer and would never have made it this far.

    The process is draconian, and punishes those who are honest and rewards those who cheat.
    We need immigration reform now.

  • trueamerican Huntsville, AL
    June 27, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Dave D.: I doubt anyone here is without empathy or sympathy for the plight of others. My goodness, we throw BILLIONS away dumping it down an endless hole of Third World support. What others are trying to say is that we cannot keep supporting illegals. If we were in the middle of a 1920's Depression, and 2 or 3 panhandlers came to your home for food, I bet you would gladly provide. However, if 500 came to your home in a week you would simply be overwhelmed. Would one take food from the mouths of their own children to feed the panhandlers? Yet, illegals are similar in that they keep pulling taxpayer money for support. They are a full out strain on the economy. Obama and others would have us buy into the "One World" and "No Borders" mentality. This will further bankrupt a nation that is already Trillions in the hole. It is not sustainable to continue doing this.

  • pasinpaul ,
    June 27, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    UVU is an open-admission university, meaning no student is denied admission.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    mecr: we turn away several Cuban boats/rafts before they reach our shore.

  • LVIS Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    Dave D
    Pocatello, ID
    It saddens me to see such a lack of empathy from people who, I assume, believe that "all are alike unto God" (2 Nephi 26:33) and that civilizations deteriorate when society is divided by social classes and "chances for learning" (3 Nephi 6:12). Throughout the history of the Church, when a law has been unjust, we've broken it. To assume that we should receive better opportunities than our brothers and sisters around the world because of the geographical area in which we were born is arrogant and, in my mind, not indicative of the core teachings of Christ.

    To you and others of the same mindset--then why have any immigration laws at all?

    And--"Throughout the history of the Church, when a law has been unjust, we've broken it." Really? With impunity? And without suffering the consequences? Wow. Isn't hyperbole the best thing ever?

  • ClearlyCanadian Calgary, 00
    June 27, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    To attribute the staggering USA debt to illegal immigrants is niave and untrue. And who would do all the roofing, the orchard picking, the paving, the toilet cleaning if we did not have these undocumented workers? While they may be there illegally, they are still paying consumer taxes and adding value to an economy.

    When we crossed the border from Arizona into California last year, we encountered three military stops. Was it because we were white that they did not check our papers? After a careful look at our faces, we were waved through. The return trip we were asked if we were American. When we said no, we're Canadian, they looked carefully at our faces and then waved us forward.

    And lastly I would like to ask what does an undocumented immigrant take away from your life? How does their being here diminish what you have? How will you sustain and grow your work force if you do not open your doors more widely?

  • mecr Bountiful, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:00 p.m.

    @ouisc: no cuban boats (if you can call them a boat) are turned away when reaching american soil. They are received as refugees.

    signed: american cuban's niece.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    Do we forget how our education is paid for at public institutions? It's approximately 1/3rd tuition, 1/3rd taxes, and 1/3rd donations. So even if a kid does not have a scholarship to subsidize tuition, the kid still has 2/3rds paid for.

    It is sad that some parents are willing to alienate their children to the extreme that so many illegal immigrants do, by sneaking them into another country. I've taken in wayward travelers for the night--fed them, given them a place to sleep--but it's unbelievable to think some wayward travelers have the intent to move on in, expecting my hospitality, especially when they have lied and cheated to come into my home in the first place.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    We have turned away hundreds of boats packed full of potential immigrants from China and Cuba in the past few decades, as they were attempting to enter the U.S. illegally. Yet we are half-heartedly preventing illegal immigration from Mexico.

    By even discussing the possibility of facilitating/enabling illegal immigrants, we are simply profiling our immigrants, and showing prejudiced bias for one culture over another. And now the Deseret News is depicting their own prejudice and exploiting the illegal challenges of one culture--and to really capture some heartstrings, the Deseret News usually profiles illegal children.

    If only the Deseret News would truly be helpful, and help educate their readers of how to come through the front door. Help explain our immigration laws for those who have never cared to understand them. The laws really aren't that bad--I've hired a handful of non-citizens in my time, in situations I did not have the opportunity to hire a citizen.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    Obama is correct in making it so children aren't held responsible for their parents actions. Given what Obama has
    done these barriers should melt away anyway. Is this article even still true?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Yet ANOTHER obvious attempt by the DN to justify illegal behavior.

    There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with current immigration laws except that they aren't enforced and people break them on a daily basis.

    Should we eliminate ALL the laws that people break?

    LEGAL citizens of the U.S. need to keep letting their elected representatives know that they respect laws and expect trespassers from other countries to do that also.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    June 27, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    To Tekakaromatagi: What would really require courage from mexicans is if they stayed in their home country and stood up to the drug cartels and their corrupt government to change things for the better in the country they love. Instead, they sneak over our border illegally, then pop out as many anchor baby children as they can. All so they can both stay in this country, and get free entitlements from our government that the babies are entitled to, such as free health care in the emergency room, free school, free WIC, and free welfare.

    Where is the compassion for the citizens of other countries who are worse of than mexicans, who only wish they could come to the US and get the same benefits and freebies as the mexicans do, yet they don't have the luxury of hopping across a porous border?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 27, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    There is a cultural paradox here which Maxican Latinos could benefit from. (Not the paradox about legal and illegal immigration).

    Some families are reluctant to have the child travel away even though it is a step towards a better life and progress for the family. There are two paradoxes: 1) the parents or grandparents may have left Mexico to come north seeking a better life. That required courage for both the parents and for the family who stayed behind. The child is following the example set by the parents in leaving home to go to college. Let the child go.
    The Aztecs, who were the cultural ancestors of Mexico, left the unknown land of Atitlan to travel to the valley of Mexico where they found Tenochtitlan, the predecessor of today's Mexico City. The son or daughter who goes to college is following in their footsteps.

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    June 27, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    @Pete1215: The debt is a good reason to find a way to bring these people out of the shadows. Instead of pushing them into an underground cash economy, how much money would the government take in if they were legal and subject to payroll taxes? As long as they are here and working and taking advantage of education and social services, let's encourage their entrepreneurial spirit and have them fully participate in the economy as taxpayers. These people didn't come because they are timid and lazy. They are mostly hard-working and ambitious. The country could use more of that.

  • Dave D Pocatello, ID
    June 27, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    It saddens me to see such a lack of empathy from people who, I assume, believe that "all are alike unto God" (2 Nephi 26:33) and that civilizations deteriorate when society is divided by social classes and "chances for learning" (3 Nephi 6:12). Throughout the history of the Church, when a law has been unjust, we've broken it. To assume that we should receive better opportunities than our brothers and sisters around the world because of the geographical area in which we were born is arrogant and, in my mind, not indicative of the core teachings of Christ.

  • trueamerican Huntsville, AL
    June 27, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    Not another pro-illegal piece in the Deseret News. Is this the only topic the Deseret News deems newsworthy anymore? Good grief. OK. Hispanic peoples come here illegally and are criminals in that regard. The Hispanic illegals then have children. Lots of children that we as taxpayers are now supposed to support and educate. This has to stop. We simply cannot afford it. Just look at California as a role model for how this will play out. Learn from Stockton, CA. They obviously need more illegal aliens to spend good tax money on.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 27, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    I find it interesting that whenever the DNews publishes a news story that reminds us that illegal immigrants are people with hopes, dreams, worries or calls for civility that people cry they are pro-illegal immigration. Please cite one news story that was in fact pro illegal immigration.

    There are very few "pro illegal immigration" people. Most people that are labeled as such are people like me that simply want our laws to make sense, and work. It was easier for me to get a secret clearance in the military, than for my wife to get her permanent residency.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    June 27, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    We are 15,800,000,000,000 dollars in debt, and aiming for 20 trillion. We need to keep undocumented (meaning illegal) immigrants out of the country.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    June 27, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    So what do we do about those young people who believe they are here legally, do everything we ask them to do , do well in school, we just tell them oh well? Come on now folks. They have succeeded. They have "played the game" by the rules, in fact better than many "natives" and are contributing members of our schools. Do we not find a way to help them?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    This story could have been written several ways. But, the Deseret News in its ongoing pro-amnesty campaign (in lieu of actual news reporting) chose to spin this to fit the agenda.

    The more truthful telling would highlight the responsibilities of parents who chose to commit illegal acts, breaking our immigration laws to come here and choosing to remain here after children were born here instead of returning to their homeland to re-enter lawfully.

    The parents' actions, not some evil racist dislike of Latinos, is the exclusive and direct cause of their children's current plight.

    Instead of demanding that we change our laws and forgive decades of lawless actions, the moral of the story should be that irresponsible and selfish parents are harming their children and their future by choosing to commit illegal acts.

    How about a counterpoint story sometime highlighting the struggles and accomplishments of LEGAL immigrants and THEIR children. Their choosing to follow the laws should be held up as the role model for all, not ignored so illegal actions can be excused.

    I wish the immigrant children well, but their parents are the culprits, not U.S. laws or citizens.

    Stop the amnesty campaign!

  • 9MM Murray, UT
    June 27, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    It is really difficult to change cultures and attitudes, so many people leave their oppressive cultures behind so they can have a better future for their children. And in the end they bring it with them - higher education is all about fighting ignorance. If your family doesn't think it is worth it because they are ignorant of it's benefits, then it doesn't matter how much money your family has - getting a college education will be difficult.
    Also it is a real shame we can not come up with a solution to help all peoples that live here enjoy security in the privileges that should be available to all of America's residents.
    As advanced as we think we are as a people, how could we have let so many of our neighbors become classless residents? Do we not believe that "All Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
    Do we believe these words or not?
    Or are we just looking for another excuse for our own bad treatment of others?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 27, 2012 8:41 a.m.


    "Most of all, we need to reform our immigration laws so that honest, hardworking people can come to our country and add competitiveness to our economy."

    Honest, hardworking people already can come to our's called LEGAL immigration. Those that come here illegally are - by definition - not honest.

    I feel for the kids who were brought here illegally by their parents, but the idea of children paying for the sins of their parents is not new or unique to this situation, unfortunately.

  • emZ Rexburg, ID
    June 27, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    I support the DREAM act. We need to encourage our growing hispanic population to emphasize college education. We need to support the best and the brightest among immigrants and give a chance to those who were brought here illegally by there parents. . Most of all, we need to reform our immigration laws so that honest, hardworking people can come to our country and add competitiveness to our economy. Diversity is a good thing.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 27, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    We can't educate everyone who comes here illegally! Even if they are willing to vote for Democrats who promoise them free everything!

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    Here we go again: There are people who came here without authorization who are hurting--NOT really news. How about all the people in all the third-world countries who would LIKE to come here, but want to do it legally and properly. Gee, I wonder if they're hurting, too. But since they're not here, maybe they don't matter? And how about the American citizen, taxpayer, and worker who's supposed to sacrifice and pay for it all; I wonder if they'll ever hurt, too. But don't we owe the entire third world whatever they really want? You tell me. Apparently many feel we do. On and on and on.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    This news article tells the challenges for the young man but it demonstrates the hardships that can come about by not obeying the law. We can feel sorry for the situation this boy is in, and there are udoubtedly several others in similar situations, but these folks are not supposed to be in this country.

    Other immigrants that go through the process, however lengthy, do not have these problems of being able to function as citizens and work legally.

    There are good reasons for immigrations laws and those that break them should understand the consequences.

    If life is so tough for them they should self-deport back to their home countries.