Title IX winners: Women discuss how law impacted their lives

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  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    I played on a D1AA football team who due to Title IX had only 38 scholarships roughly 38% of the team. This while 100% of female athletes through all the women's sports were on scholarship. I agree with many of the posters here when they recognize the positive effect Title IX had concerning women's sports, but as successful as it was in that arena it was equally unsuccessful especially to football.

    I also believe all college student athletes should be on scholarship if they are good enough to make a team. The NCAA makes billions of dollars every year of the blood sweat and tears of college kids. It only makes sense that they would give back a small portion to the students who's backs they make their money on and make sure at the very least their tuition fees books housing and a small stipend for personal needs are provided for. After all the NCAA limits how much student athletes are allowed to work so much so that it's beyond difficult for non-scholarship athletes to get by.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 26, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Usually when we get a Ttle IX article we get a bunch of posts about how great it is for girls as well as the ones we get about how it has hurt boys. As the father of 2 of each sex, all of them fine athletes, I love the oppportunities girls now get but decry the opportunities taken from boys.

    I have noticed most of the people that love Title IX don't really care about the negative affect it has had for boys, they only care about what has happened to increase opportunity for girls. While I consider that to be an extremely myopic way of looking at the situation I do not think those people will ever change their view. I truly belive that many of them just think boys deserve to lose opportunity, or else simply don't care what happens to the boys as long as girls get theirs.

    Pretty sad.

  • SpaceCowboy69 Syracuse, UT
    June 25, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Waiting for the follow up on how title 9 has hurt young men. Funny that the Dnews has published other articles about the challenges of raising young men, but don't want to talk about the hurt title 9 has caused. Dnews, I will be anxiously awaiting the follow up. (not holding my brief)

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 24, 2012 11:49 p.m.

    Candace Workman is an interesting case. Women are allowed to actually play football and wrestle. These sports are interesting cases of co-ed sports where girls can compete against boys at the high school level. Golf used to be that way as well until girls golf teams were created three years ago. However, boys are not allowed to play volleyball. This has been deemed a girl's sport only and the only recourse boys have that are interested in playing volleyball is club volleyball or not sponsored by the school. This undoubtedly hurts the opportunities of boys seeking volleyball scholarships in Utah. Furthr, it seems like with Title IX that girls get it both ways, they can play in sports many deem would be for boys (like football and wrestling) while the law (through the UHSAA) does not allow boys the same opportunity to play volleyball.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 24, 2012 11:38 p.m.

    Now do an article on what happened to hundreds of college wrestling programs and dozens of men's gymnastic programs and men's sports in general.

    Title IX did great things for women in sport but it did not come without a great cause. Now I wonder if Moms will FIGHT for their sons!

  • THE MTN MAN Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2012 8:13 p.m.

    This has already been suggested, but it's worth repeating: Someone at this newspaper should tell the other side of the story. Not a mean, vindictive opinion piece bashing on women or anything like that, but a legitimate article about the true negative effects that Title IX has had on men's sports. It is not the responsibility of the Deseret News to exclusively promote Title IX - balanced journalism demands a look at the other side of the issue.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    June 24, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    Title IX has all but ruined several sanctioned "lower" level mens sports, for example men's wrestling as the prime example. Equality, I do not think so - it has just financially strapped many institutions. It has all become about money and nothing else. Pretty sad we have to take away from one to give to another - sounds a little bit like socialism.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 24, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    Title IX has been the single biggest influence in weakening men's programs in the NCAA or altogether eliminating them in order to come up with this so-called equality in men's and women's sports. In doing so it has weakened Olympic hopefuls from the US and decimated some sports that we were once competitive in on a world stage.

  • Billy Bob Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    A few of the previous commenters took the words right out of my mouth, or keyboard as the case may be. Title IX is not a good thing overall. It has caused more harm to male athletes than the good it has given to female athletes. So, as Invisible Hand already has asked, where is the article entitled "Title IX Losers"? In the name of balanced reporting, I anxiously await this article, DN.

  • Sentinel Ogden, UT
    June 24, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    I am wondering why, in an article about women and sports, Karen Logan was not mentioned? She lives in Ogden, Utah. More than almost anyone else, Karen played a major role in Women's sports, Women's basketball, etc. It was she would developed the different size basketball used by women the world over. In her time, (1970s), Karen was the equivalent of a modern-day Babe Didriksen and would have been an EPSY winnder over and over. Karen excelled in basketball, played professional volleyball, track and field, and coached women's basketball at Utah State University. I really wish she had been included in this article about women, Title 1X and women's sports.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 24, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    Yes i have to agree with u Rockon The last person they talked to in this article had it right. It is not sport for sport is number of participants. So football D1 has 85 scholorships 1AA 65 so i think title 9 is good for women but it stinks for men.If colleges would say ok football is a different animal let football be by it self than that would be great. I don't know how much this happens now but i do know that scholarships for some womens sports still go unused because their are not enough woman that want to play.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    June 24, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    The benefits of T9 are obvious. Now talk about the harm it has caused. Now how about an article about the negative impact on young men, or don't they matter?

    Thus it is with dictatorships by bureaucracy. Did the people vote on Title 9? NO. Just someone with an ax to grind at the expense of someone else justifying it by saying "if it even helps one young woman..."

    Loved the opportunities for my daughters but not the harm to my sons.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    June 24, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Lori Salvo is the premier Volley Ball coach in the state, hands down no one better, in my opinion.

    My daughter had to play against her when she coached at Viewmont, Davis always had the toughest, knock down drag out contests with her under talented squads. She is able to get players to over achieve and dig deep for gutty, gritty wins. You gotta respect that.

    However, title IX was never ment to be equal out come legislation. Rather, it puts in play so to speak, equal oppurtunity. I am greatful that my daughter letterd in two sports at Davis, she took state in track and played her heart out on the volley ball court. Title IX can not standradize the fluid concept of outcome, that is the beautiful thing about the ying & yang of natures Male & Fenmale differences, I love them.

  • Samaritan01 Yuma, CO.
    June 24, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    I have never understood how Title IX could have been considered legal. Title IX sets up a separate system for women in sports, it allows women to function in separate and equal programs in soccer, baseball, basketball, swimming and etc. However the Supreme Court finding in Brown v. Board of Eduction determined that "Separate But Equal" accommodations were, by definition, "Separation But Unequal" and therefore a violation of the Constitution.

    So here we have a dilemma, are we bowing to the lesser abilities of women to compete or are we bowing to (and making a comfortable deal with) our prejudices? Is Title IX a convenient, and prejudicial, agreement that violates Brown v. Board of Education?? Have we tacitly accepted women as a permanent second-class?

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    June 24, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    I have the deepest respect for coach Salvo. She is a terrific coach and person. I would have loved my daughter to have had her as the Davis High School Volley Ball coach, but sad face, we had to play against her when she headed up Viewmonts program.

    Now it is all good and right in the Universe that she is home now at Davis her true home.

    However, title IX was not ment to be equal out comes, title IX is the vehicle for girls too have equal oppurtunity and access to scholarships.

    Men & Women athlitics are completelty unrelated when you try to apply the omni-directional, fluid, emotional concept of equal otcome. This falls in the relm of personal likes, what the individual either male or female find exciting and entertaining.

    You cannot legislate that.

    I love what I love, I watch what I feel is exciting to me. It is all fluid and a moving target.

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    June 24, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    Are we going to see a story titled "Title IX losers"? What about all the men who didn't have the opportunity to get athletic scholarships or pursue their athletic interests thanks to title 9?