'Coming to our Census' series takes needed, critical look at issues posed by Utah's changing demographics

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  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal

    Yes the article is about the changing demography. But it refuses to adequately acknowledge the fact that a great deal of that change is due to illegal immigration.

    @Happy Valley Heretic
    The concern is not in regard to skin color and you know it. Illegal immigration is a problem in Utah on multiple levels, and you know it. To say so is not bigotry, contrary to your insinuation.

    @It will only hurt a little

    Illegal immigration and the lifestyle of dishonesty and criminality typically associated with it is very much contrary to official LDS doctrine and policy. Therefore you are incorrect to indicate that the Church supports illegal immigration. Not only does the doctrine teach being honest and obeying the laws of the land, official policy also specifically states that members of the Church should build up the church and their communities in their own countries, and that if they do choose to immigrate to the U.S., they should do so legally, which also means not overstaying visas.

  • It will only hurt a little SLC, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    Many people of the LDS religion don't realize what a big supporter of illegal immigration the LDS church is. Many of it's members are illegal immigrants, sitting next to you at church, going on missions within the US, volunteering in the temple, organizing service projects, paying their taxes even though they are here illegally. Being here illegally isn't something these people advertise, but just remember the person next to you may not be a citizen at all.

  • It will only hurt a little SLC, UT
    June 28, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    It's too bad that because people have decided to focus on illegal immigration, the topic of improving the success rate and education of our students has fallen to the wayside. When discussing college with students as an academic adviser we learn in order to give each student an equal chance at success, you must plan their academic futures differently. As long as people are unwilling to make changes in order to benefit our society as a whole, Utah will suffer by increasing our uneducated population.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    I feel sorry for the bigots out their who are seeing their white world get a little tanner, and are terrified at the changing demographics of their world. I didn't notice Illegal immigration mentioned in the article, yet the usual suspect go right to the idea of knowing who illegal immigrants are because of the color of their skin.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    June 25, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    If all men are equal then they should be held equally accountable in observing necessary and reasonable laws.

    This article is bogus because it refuses to address the issue of illegality; nothing new there. It seems to me that such a glaring, and sadly typical, ommission could well be the prelude to general disrespect for all law, to resentment and confrontation instead of honoring, or else peacefully changing, laws.

    The statue of liberty and the statue of a blind and equal justice should be viewed together imo. What we seem to have now is a bias for illegal aliens over legal residents, and negligent illegality over an enforced uniform law of naturalisation.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    June 25, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    So this article is the issues posed by having more non-whites in Utah? Hmmm ...

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 25, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    This article is about ethnicity and the changing demographics of our region – not illegal immigration.

    FYI – These very same arguments were said about the Irish, Italians, Danish, Swedish, Chinese --- all of our ancestors over 100 years ago…But, history has shown THAT diversity was the very crux of what has made America great….despite the whining.

    You can whine about it, or do something about it.

  • Dr. James Rawson Orem, UT
    June 24, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    I appreciate the naivete of the author of this article for much of her discourse discounts the underlying causes and concerns of her desire for equanimity for all who reside in this state. First of all, we must issue the facts. These people are not "citizens" of Utah. The predominant growth is among undocumented hispanics who are here illegally, but expect the same quality of life as those who have U.S. Citizenship. I have no problem with those honest aliens who wish to come here legally and labor to become U.S. Citizens. I encourage them to do so! However, favoritism should not be given one group just because they are here illegally and Utah has become a sanctuary state. As an educator it is frustrating to provide an education to those who see little value in an education. Case in point. In a local school district along the Wasatch front, schools have provided ESL courses for free for parents and students to help the students "fast track" in their curriculum. The parents and students have refused to learn English and have demanded and received, free to them, tutors, to help with the language barrier. Start with facts first!

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    June 24, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    As a career student of the US Census I know ethnicity, minorities and immigration are in the American fabric since Day One. How are today’s to enjoy the blessings of America, to have the opportunities afforded yesteryear’s? The answer is in the Declaration of Independence:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

    All are created equal, including minorities, immigrants, and ethnicities. The governed must institute as Thomas Jefferson said, “Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plentitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.”

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    June 24, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    Who chooses to fail? Failure is made up of choices.

    When people are here illegally, they have already chosen to either take jobs that no one else wants or to live a life of crime where they take whatever they have strength to take.

    Honest employers will not hire illegal aliens. STRIKE ONE.

    When people are afraid of being deported, who will they choose to have as friends? They will choose to associate with others who are here illegally. STRIKE TWO.

    When people try to enter higher education, what will they do? If they have no money to pay for out-of-state tuition, will they go to college? If they don't start college, how will they ever graduate? STRIKE THREE.

    The solution is to enforce the laws of this nation. We welcome with open arms those who enter legally. We open our schools to them. We treat them as equals. America becomes for them a land of opportunity.

    When people obey the laws, they are "blessed". "Blessings" come from being obedient.

    The disobedient will always suffer the consequences of their choices.

  • Chris from Rose Park PROVO, UT
    June 24, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    I wish to preface a question I ask about the education parity. The question is intended for anyone to answer and I hope to hear from Hispanics. I am young and I do not know the cause of of the education parity. I have my thoughts, but I want to hear from others. The one thing I do know is that the education gap is real and we as Americans of all ethnicity must band together to fix it. This country is built on the backs of immigrants and if one group is struggling we, together, must rally around them and not forsake them.

    Why do you think there is such a parity in education results for White and Hispanic children? Do you think it is because recent immigrants come with a disadvantaged education background? Or that the school system's teaching style, as currently set up, is better teaching people brought up in the White culture than the Hispanic culture? What are your thoughts? What are things you think we, as a state and nation, can do to close the parity?

    June 24, 2012 3:20 a.m.

    I've read a lot of opinions lately on what the future will be like. Much like the weekly reader that we use to read in elementary school, no one will come close. There are to many variables.

    The article focuses on the Hispanics school record, do we know for a fact that those here illegally will continue to be added in the drop out rate? Will they become second class workers and remain, or will laws be enforced and they return home? If the pandering stops with our laws, will they realize that they must do things right, and buckle down in school for their future.

    Of all the factions that changed us the last two decades, the small group of people socially engineering our country has changed it's face the most. The civil rights/immigration equality was meant to give green cards equally to people of all countries. It's been ignored, and African American and Europeans have paid the price. Will we let a small group in the shadows change us again?

    This is a best guess editorial.