Bad Arizona decision cuts Mexican-American studies program

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  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    June 14, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    Can anyone here justify the taking of Mexican territory in the 1800's? Or the taking of Indian territory and near-genocide of Native Americans by both Mexico the U.S. that preceded it?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 14, 2012 6:17 a.m.

    Yet an independent audit found nothing in the curriculum to encourage resentment? If the LA Times is leftist, is the Arizona Republic, a notoriously right-wing newspaper, any more credible? Sounds like the right-wing heavies in AZ have been trying to censor history.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    June 13, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    Re: "Bad Arizona decision cuts Mexican-American studies program"

    Yeah, Arizona really needs advice from the LA Times -- or ANY California information outlet, for that matter -- on what's a bad way to ease ethnic tensions.

    Just spend a few minutes in Compton or East L.A. and you'll see they're clearly the experts.

  • JByrd Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    I grew up in Arizona. I served a Spanish speaking church mission in the US. I love Latin culture, and have had several good Latino friends. And, I want the border closed to illegals. This is no contradiction. I would not presume to enter another country in a way that violates their laws. I am glad I grew up in a culture so rich with Mexican and Native American influences. It gave me a love of learning about and experiencing other cultures. I also expect people of ANY culture to abide by the laws of the land, no matter where they are. Illegal is a crime, not a race.

    Everything I read about the Tucson program said it DID promote rebellion and hatred. It didn't just teach that the land was taken from Mexico, it promoted resentment for that act, and encouraged re-taking it. In short, it subtly fomented rebellion, committed sedition and treason.

    Encouraging hate is wrong, no matter what race the person is doing it. Some of you commenting here need to check your own hate and quit using the excuse that you’re hating in the name of social justice. It's still wrong.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    Why doesnt the owner of the L.A.Times simply replace their writers with illegal immigrants? Their newspaper would be the same and they could save some money!

    Next to La Raza, the L.A. Times is the most vocal advocate of illegal immigrant trespassing.

    Their credibility is just north of 0. Kalifornia is a perfect example of the results of institutionally aided illegal immigrant advocacy.

    They're broke!

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 2:50 p.m.


    I said nothing concerning Mexicans in my earlier post. I referred only to illegal aliens -- who solemnly disdain this country, its sovereignty, and its laws, and disrespect its people.

    So why in the world would you bring up Mexicans, Noodlekaboodle? Please tell.

    Illegal is not a race; it is a crime.

    And you are skewing the history of the Southwest territory there just a little bit, Noodlekaboodle, in your later comment.

  • MacMama Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    It's not a matter of teaching history- I have nothing against that. However, what they were teaching and why they wouldn't release their curriculem to the state board of education is that they were teaching the kids that the "white culture" took "their" country away, they were advocating taking it back- that it was the "right" of Latinos- by force if necessary. They threatened other (as in white) teachers in the school district if they talked about the program and they fueled resentment among the Latino students for the United States and it's culture. The state board of Education under Tom Horne was not able to work with the district to find out how this fit with state requirements and to get clear information about this program- the district was very defiant and very secretive. It was just not a good situation. The Arizona Republic did an in depth report about it 5 or 6 years ago and it was very disturbing to read about what was going on. The LA Times clearly doesn't know what they are talking about in this article- this is shoddy and sensational journalism.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    Well, I don't know about the taking it back part. But look at history. America did fight a war and take over the territory formerly known about northern Mexico.If you don't like history does that mean we shouldn't teach it?

  • MacMama Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    I lived in Arizona and am fairly familiar with this program in Tucson. It is a fact that for years, the district refused to submit anything to the state board of education about this program in spite of their legal obligation to do so. Teachers in the district were threatened if they disclosed anything about the program but it did come out that the Latino students were taught that Arizona was taken from the Mexican people illegally in the Mexican-American war and it was their right to take it back. The Arizona Republic did an in depth report on this program and it was extremely disturbing to read what the district was doing and promoting. Quite honestly- having lived in the area I totally support the state law as that was the only thing that got the attention of the Tucson School District and their requirement to comply with state standards. The LA Times needs to focus on the problems in California and keep their collective noses out of Arizona. A bias is very evident in this article on their part.

  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    June 13, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    Planet Los Angeles has no communication with earth.

    Tons of evidence that the program did not comply with school rules. They didn't even submit to the text book and curriculum rules.

  • Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 7:08 a.m.

    Right, because no Mexicans in Arizona are legal. None of them. 100% of them illegally entered the country. That makes sense right?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2012 6:42 a.m.

    "The law, which was enacted in 2010 but took effect last year, outlaws school programs that "promote resentment toward a race or class of people" or that advocate for "the overthrow of the U.S." or that encourage "ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."


    When the towers were attacked on 9-11, we didn't leave it to the individual families whose members were murdered to seek protection and justice. We acted as a nation or as a group to take care of the problem.

    Fact is those people weren't attacked because they were the indivividuals they were, but because they were Americans, therefore America as a cohesive unit went after the terrorists.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2012 3:11 a.m.

    "Bad laws that promise to drive out illegal immigrants are what is provoking that resentment, not textbooks..."

    The L.A. Times is lying. The reason illegal aliens resent laws designed to punish them and drive them out of the country is that they have no respect whatsoever for the country. There is nothing "bad" about the laws themselves, of course.