Brad Rock: Rock On: BYU, Utah marriage on the skids

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  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 10, 2012 9:50 a.m.


    utah didn't play anyone that was any good in '04. The pitt team they beat in the fiesta bowl was a joke and was widely panned by just about everyone for even being in a bcs game. That wasn't even a good try by you, just a giant fail. LOL!

    As far as '08 is concerned utah did beat a few good teams, got very lucky to beat TCU and NM, and played a completely disinterested alabama team that didn't care and didn't try.



  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    June 9, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    Anti BCS (cuz your team isn't good enough to get to a BCS game nor invited to a BCS conference) , again the selective stats, you Y fans are a funny bunch for sure. I am glad Utah is taking its dominant record over the the kittens and leaving them in the dust to wallow in there delusions of being relevant and wanted. Your fabled NC was a joke. The Y beat nobody that was good that year. No final ranked teams. Then barely beat a barely bowl eligible team. Due to the rules at the time that had to award BYU the NC but they made sure that would never happen again. BYU 84 would have got drilled by both 04 and 08 Utes who played good teams (i.e. final ranked). Please keep thinking BYU was the best team in 84 and I'll, with the rest of the country, will keep laughing.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 9, 2012 9:23 a.m.


    Sorry, but by the real standards of success, NATIONAL championships, NATIONAL rankings, and NATIONAL awards, Utah doesn't even come close to measuring up to BYU's success

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    National Individual Awards
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    National College Football Hall of Fame (players)
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    Top 25 Finishes
    Utah 7

    During the Bronco/Kyle Era
    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    btw, head-to-head
    During the last 50 years
    BYU 29
    Utah 21

    During the Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 4

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 8, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    BYU needs Utah more than Utah needs BYU now days. Utah is playing Pac12 schools every week and having to play the Y is a step down - nothing to win type game. BYU is to Utah what Utah State is to the Y. Utah STate fans get all amped up with the game but Y fans just want to get it over with and have no injuries. The ONLY way this situation changes is if the Y administration gets their heads on straight and pushes hard for the BIG 12 conference. If the Y were to get into the BIG 12 THEN both schools are back on equal footing again... but not until. Facts are facts.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    June 8, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    Kiddles in the Park,

    Wow, that was hyperbole at its finest. Your math is a bit off as Utah didn't finish 8th in the PAC 12 which you Y fans try to push to no avail. I am glad to see BYU fan selective stats is still taught to the Y fans as they pick an chose like no other. How about 2 undefeated seasons in 8 years? How about going to and dominating two BCS bowls including a beat down of an SEC power? How about being liked enough to be asked to join a BCS conference? How about having a far better bowl winning percentage (one of the best) unlike the Y with one of the worst. Best of all 7 of 10, 54-10 and a dominant overall record against the Y; unless Y fan choses particular timeframes which many of you Y fans like to do as the record on the whole isn't much to write about, especially in this century. Go Utes and USU.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 7, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Your hyperbole is amusing, but unfortunately, totally divorced from reality...

    Bronco/Kyle era

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    LOSSES to 10+ Loss Teams
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 2

    btw, I like Utah State too, except for some of their boorish fans, but that "good" USU team you pretend to think so highly of, hasn't finished in the Top 25 since 1972!!! and has only had ONE winning season THIS CENTURY!!!

    Overall Records During the Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco - 66-24
    Kyle - 65-25
    Utah St - 24-60

    What's sad is the misguided arrogance of a fanbase that has deluded themselves into believing that finishing 8th in ANY conference is something special. The Trojans and Ducks are laughing at just how naive their new little friends are.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 7, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    @ atl134,

    You speak the truth sir. Utah is already contracted with Utah State until 2017. They(USU) are a good team, and I like their program and their fans as well. BYU is struggling beyond belief. It's kinda sad actually. But, evolution has never taken any prisoners..........BYU is doomed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2012 1:45 p.m.


    "Isn't it interesting that BYU is trying to end playing teams like Idaho and New Mexico State, and Utah is trying to add them? "

    In a few years Utah's schedule will be 9 PAC-12 teams and 1 Big-10 team. That leaves two games left, one of which probably will be BYU or Utah state. Is it unreasonable for Utah to schedule one garbage team a year?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 7, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    No matter how hard, or prolifically BYU fans pray for a victory against will not help in the least. Utah is gonna curb-stomp BYU again. I already purchased the popcorn.....and it will be-a-pop'n for sure! Goooooo Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 7, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    Honestly BYU fans, when Utah crucified BYU last year............during the 3rd quarter I was screaming so loud at the incredible Utah plays that my current world champion Chesapeake Bay Retriever went and hid in the bathroom.....she was so alarmed. Life is good......except for my sweet doggy and most certainly BYU fans......for sure! Another BYU crucifixion is imminent on 9-15-12. You know it......WE DEFINITELY KNOW IT! Then, bye-bye BYU.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 7, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    Montana St. would have whooped BYU last year. BYU is on a path of non-existence...........the boys that call all the shots in SLC will no longer tolerate any further embarrassment. ESPN will dump BYU sooner than later. The ratings have been atrocious to this point, at best. No wonder they(ESPN) scheduled BYU's bowl game at 9am MST on a non-holiday Friday.......competing with popular soap operas and Judge Judy. Heck, I was watching MSNBC when BYU played Tulsa last December. Somebody had to tell me that BYU accidentally won that game. Truthfully!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 7, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    @ LonestarRunner,

    Ding ding ding! We have a winner folks! You are the first BYU fan on any sports board in this country to predict the delusional probability of BYU beating Utah this year at RES. Congrats sir!

    First of all, Utah loathes BYU, certainly not afraid in ANY capacity. Utah is scheduled to play the rising USU program to 2017, skipping the 2014 game because it is imminent that Utah will be scheduling a Big 10 team very soon. Utah has interest in BYU anymore, nor do I.

    Utah needs a tune-up game, or two, against a cupcake(s) in order to get younger players some game action previous to our conference schedule, like many top programs do. BYU has to schedule half their season against the worst teams in the nation so they can qualify for a bowl game.

    BYU is old old old news! Utah will absolutely crush BYU on 9-15-12!!!!! I doubt BYU will score, actually. And, bone-headed Reilly Nelson will be devastated again by the ruthless U D-line.

    I look forward watching the scores of somber Y fans leaving RES during the 3rd quarter AGAIN! Cheers!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    "You really think the Utes are scared of byu after winning 7 of the last 10 games and beating them last year 54-10? Really?"


    That's the ONLY reason the Utes would even think of replacing BYU with a D-1AA program like Northern Colorado.

    Losing PAC12 record + loss to BYU = no bowl for U !!

    Everyone knows that your selective 7 of the last 10 record is meaningless; the only relevant record is the 4-3 record head-to-head record during the Bronco-Kyle era, which will be even after this year.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    June 6, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    Please let it be over. Let the marriage end.

    Let BYU and U go their own ways.

    Let the trolling stop.

    Let each to have their own.


  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    June 6, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    It's obvious which school needs which when you read the comments on here. Utah fans seem to be fine with a "divorce". byu fans can't seem to handle that. Utah has simply moved on. byu needs to do the same.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 6, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    "The runnin' Utes are runnin' scared." -thesportsauthority

    You really think the Utes are scared of byu after winning 7 of the last 10 games and beating them last year 54-10? Really?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 6, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Give it a rest Naval Vet,

    NOBODY is going to buy that Utah playing BYU would "tarnish" Utah's schedule in the slightest.

    The runnin' Utes are runnin' scared.

    The ONLY reason the Utes are thinking about dropping the Cougs from their schedule is because you're finally starting to realize that you've bitten off far more than you can chew and that continuing to play BYU guarantees lots of losing seasons and no bowls for the Utes.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    CougFaninTX - Wow, that's good bait. I'll bite. Just exactly how is BYU going to have their November scheduling fixed? It won't be by getting home and home November series with any of the major conferences (PAC12, Big12, Big10, SEC, BigEast, ACC). Are they replacing their November WAC with a November ConfUSA?

    Hard to imagine that on such an old topic, you've still got it wrong. Utah is not talking about never playing BYU again. They've simply stated that scheduling may keep them from playing every year.

    June 6, 2012 12:54 p.m.


    You're funny. Next time I'll use a different state.

    Why you live in Texas, went to the Y spent four years in Utah and now a authourity of football in Utah because Texas only know's BYU. That's all you ever say.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 6, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting that BYU is trying to end playing teams like Idaho and New Mexico State, and Utah is trying to add them? Within a year or two, BYU will have fixed our November scheduling challenges, and Utah may be playing a WAC like schedule in September.

    Naval Vet - would you really prefer to watch Utah beat up on Idaho, than watching a BYU vs Utah game with a thrilling end nearly 50% of the time? U already have room for one cupcake / FCS team. Do you really want two or three cupcake games each year?

    I recognize the PAC12 schedule is tougher than a MWC schdedule, but even keeping BYU, your schedule is not in the same conversation as an SEC schedule, and not even comparable to most Big 12, Big 10 or several of your peer PAC12 schedules. USC, Oregon and Stanford routinely play a tough non-conference schedule.

    If the rivalry does end, I wish you well playing New Mexico St and Idaho in September. I have no doubt that BYU can find another team to play in September with a much higher profile than Utah.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    June 6, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    "Here in Texas, people know of BYU, but not the utes." - Worf

    Everyone in the real world know who the original BCS Busters are, especially the BCS schools.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    June 6, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    Justmythoughts "Interesting that Florida/Florida State play each other every year...ditto USC/Notre Dame plus many other schools who are not in the same conference."

    BYU is not Notre Dame. However, get BYU into a top conference like the Big 12 and the legit bragging rights will stir again about whose conference is better, like FL/FL State do.

    Then, Utah and BYU will find a way to prove it on the field.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    June 6, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    Mr RockOn,
    What are you saying exactly?
    I strongly believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
    And Utah is a man.

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers Irvine, CA
    June 6, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    If USC can keep their rival game why can't U?

    BYU is no Notre Dame --even ND has slipped a few steps the last decade

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar says "The season is more than a single game, and a single game doesn't determine the success of the season." True, and keep in mind that "success" to an independent is very different from "success" to a conference team.

    For example, BYU ended the regular season ranked 32 in the BCS list, but that is OK because success for BYU is "exposure", not BCS participation. BYU certainly had exposure. Utah views their first year in the conference as a success because they suffered huge set back in losing their quarterback, yet they still had a chance to win their division. Did the Colorado loss hurt? Sure, but as you point out, one game doesn't determine the sucess of the season.

    The important thing as fans is that we are happy with our team's direction. I am excited to see how Utah does in its second year with a (hopefully) healthy quarterback all season. And I am sure you are excited to see the exposure your team gets through the season and the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 6, 2012 12:02 a.m.

    "The demise of BYU football will continue. Guess that what happens when you lose 54-10 at home and quit half way through the game."

    If ending 5 of the last 6 seasons ranked, including last year, is called "demise", while going 4-5 in conference play and losing to a team that had 10 losses is called "up and coming", then I think I'll stick with a program in demise. The season is more than a single game, and a single game doesn't determine the success of the season.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:58 p.m.


    Glad you are still happy about the Weber State win in basketball. Proves how much you repect Weber State, and looking at their strength of schedule, it was probably BYU's second or third strongest quality win. I can admit when I am wrong, can you? Experience says no. I predict Lillard to have a better NBA career than Jimmer--care to argue?

    Oh I forgot to congratulate BYU on their glorious comback win over Iona in the play-in game, sure to be replayed on BYUtv and well worthy of record in the BYU annals. Unlike BYU fans, I look forward and not bask in previous glory, bet you have a video cassete of the 1984 "championship" team--Good for you!

    Maybe BYU can change their mascot to the Ducks--since they are constantly ducking competition and rarely play a road game out of state unless it is at a neutral field. Good luck with the "Green Light" games--LOL unless you are a serious fan, and if that is the case, my deepest sympathies. BYU Football 2012?--excitement she wrote!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    The demise of BYU football will continue. Guess that what happens when you lose 54-10 at home and quit half way through the game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 5, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    @proud ute (LOL!) as if that is something to be proud of.

    When all yoiu have left is to call names you really don't have anything.


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 5, 2012 5:42 p.m.


    That whole prediction you made about weber beating BYU in basketball last season, then losing by 30 points, is still killing you isn't it?


  • Proud Ute ,
    June 5, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    Re: smith is lucky to have a job.....

    You must be thinking of Max Hall oh wait, Uncle Danny ran out of people who owed him favors so he doesn't have a job.
    You can't possibly believe the nonsense you spew.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 5, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    @naval vet

    Nice attempt at distortion but as usual a failure for you. I wasn't talking about this offseason, I specifically said smith was on the verge of being out of the league and until last season he was on the verge of being out of the league. The 49er's told him if he did't take a restructuring of his contract, and a very steep pay cut, he was gone and his pathetic perfomrance in the league up to that point would not have gotten him a free agent contract with any team at all. Maybe a tryout, maybe.

    If Manning had signed with the 49ers smith would have been gone this offseason but he probably could have gotten a backup job somewhere else. Eveyrone knows smith would have been gone so pointing out harbaugh's hilarious attempt to claim otherwise is plenty accurate.

    Once again nice try at distorting the point but you failed.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    June 5, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    Until BYU steps up their competition and joins a big conference, they are not worth the U of U's time. I think the Utes should work a deal with USU with a two-for-one at SLC, they are on the upswing in a conference whereas BYU is roaming the desert thanks to their leadership. It could become the new State rivalry. Personally, I think USU should ask for a home-and-home with BYU or drop them from the schedule...I mean why should they accommodate them on a three-for-one conference Friday deal? Who would agree to that now...Montana Tech?

    All of my friends who are BYU fans hate the Indy thing. They get terrible filler games at late start times. With conferences setting up non-conference agreements (Big Ten and PAC Twelve), BYU will have even more difficulty making a good schedule. They better hope the Big 12 comes calling or the Big East. Otherwise, they will have to go crawling back to the MWC and grovel before Craig Thompson. Either that, or join the Sun Belt, MAC, or C-USA.

    Pride goeth before the fall--and what a terrible fall it is!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 5, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    Naval Vet,

    I'm not anti-ute. I just react to those few who display so much bitterness to the Cougs. People here for the most part think Utah and BYU are the same team, and ninety percent of the people I work with are college grads. Most of the interest are with the Longhorns. I do want people angry at my words, as it promotes researching, learning, and thinking.

    I did go to school in your area (Woodbury). Great place to learn American History.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 5, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    "Here in Texas, people know of BYU, but not the utes." - Worf

    Do you mean everybody in your ward, Worf?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2012 3:32 p.m.


    Smith had the 9th highest QB rating in the NFL. He was most certainly NOT "on the verge of being out of the league". If the 49ers were to take on Manning, Smith WOULD have left San Francisco, and WOULD have found another spot on another NFL team via free agency.


    I went to high school for 2 yrs in South Texas. I've never met a Texan that didn't know who or where Utah is. The most pathetic style of trash talking are the ones where you don't have any barbs to strike with so you either make up your own "facts", and/or lay down the "straw man argument" in order to make your point[less].

    Now if it is indeed true that those in your social circle don't know who Utah is, then all you're saying is that you hang out with some very stupid people.

    So which is it? Dumb friends? Or artificially manufactured anecdotal evidence of the Pac-12 Utes' relevancy?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 5, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    You're funny. Next time I'll use a different state.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 5, 2012 2:14 p.m.


    Everything I wrote is correct. If you'll remember smith took a pay cut and a restructured contract instead of being cut. Yes he is just happy to have a job because he was on the verge of being out of the league.

    smith is in no way the equivalent of Peyton Manning. Why would that statement be in the slightest bit controversial? If the 49er's could have gotten Manning they would have kicked smith to the curb. Everyone knows it, harbuagh knows it. I enjoy how delusional utah "fans" are. I enjoy seeing how much they would rather deny truth than face facts. I understand when I am the one that writes it then it provides a little extra sting for all of you but that doesn't change the facts. smith is lucky to have a job and harbaugh would take Manning over him in a heartbeat. Nothing to argue about, that is simply the facts.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 5, 2012 12:23 p.m.


    You are correct that Smith is no Manning.

    But Smith just signed a new contract with the 9ers and beat out Kaepernick who according to San Fransisco Chronicle the "49ers wanted so bad after [a] workout, they traded up nine spots to the fourth pick of the second round to take him Friday [2011 Draft], giving their second-, fourth- and fifth-round picks to Denver."

    So I understand your hate for all things Utah but try to do some research before giving us your opinion.

    Looking for another great season from Smith. I was one who that he was a bust but glad to see he turned things around after struggling.

    Go 9ers!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2012 12:18 p.m.

    BYU Joe:

    Losing the rivalry isn't the worst thing to happen to all of us. It's the worst thing to happen to the COUGS!

    Back during our WAC days, the only games we had to look forward to was the Holy War, Colorado St, and MAYBE one or two O.O.C. games. We played 11-game regular seasons, and were only stoked for 3 or a bowl game, if we got one.

    Back during our MWC days, CSU faded, but was easily replaced by TCU. We moved to 12-game schedules, which provided us an extra exciting game. Still, we'd only be counting down the days for 4 or 5 games, plus our bowl. Certainly an improvement, but only 1/2 our games were really watchable.

    Now, in the Pac-12, we'll be saddled with some weak SOS, unwatchable FCS opponent, a mid-major or two, and 9 to 10 can't-miss events. HUGE improvement. Well...for the UTES anyway. The "perfection questers'" seasons haven't improved, and with the loss of the Holy War, may start their decline.

    Of course, a 2-for-1 would solve that. Holmoe? Your move.

    June 5, 2012 12:00 p.m.


    it's the only thing you ever have to say, Here in Texas, people know of BYU, but not the utes. Don't you think that's getting a little old. Keep thinking that way but leave it alone we all know now that Texas knows byu and not Utah. Way to go to the state of Texas byu is better well known than Utah. Give me a break, for atleast a week.

    June 5, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    And if the two teams don't play anymore what will all of us have to complain about. NOTHING. Truth is we all like to hate each other. It is fun. And it is a type of rivalry that takes generations to build.

    So to all you Ute fans that want to move onto your Utah/Colorado rivalry I say have fun. It will never be the same. You won't have a bunch of Buff fans looking in the SL Trib or Desnews at the comment board and no one to read your trash talk.

    Cougar fans will feel the loss of having an "evil empire" to abhor. Who will they complain about?

    So lets all get real - the worst thing to happen to all of us is the loss of this rivalry. It will make football a lot less fun.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 5, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    Here in Texas, people know of BYU, but not the utes. It's that way in most states. It's BYU TV revenue, supplied coaches, and other contributions which built the ute football program.

    I can see the reason for stopping the rivalry and building an identity. So be it, and let it be done. Let's build an identity Utah State.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 5, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    Proximity will always make Utah / BYU a game to watch. However with the U in the PAC 12 now and their amped up schedule I think the significance of the game has lost its luster. Bronco also has his contract end next year and I am betting he will coach elsewhere. Unless BYU joins the BIG 12 I really and sadly see the Y program going into a steady decline. Independence in football simply doesn't work for the long term. BYU isn't Notre Dame.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    re: Spurrier's comment about paying athletes $3500-4000 beyond normal scholarship monies. In the SEC, this will be a massive pay cut for most of the athletes.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    This article changes the definition of "marriage".

    I thought DN was opposed to that.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    June 5, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    I agree with Whittingham - nothing is more important than being a mediocre Pac-12 program.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    Just as I predicted when Utah went to the PAC 10/12 and BYU went indie, this rivalry is about to die. Utah looks at BYU like it does USU, and BYU has yet to find itself. The culprit? Greed in college football.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    June 5, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    In one breath, "Hey Utes! YOU'RE NO USC!"

    In the next breath, If USC can keep their rival game why can't U?"

    Hahaha... You guys crack me up.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 5, 2012 4:25 a.m.

    "It will be interesting to see what the state of Utah athletics is in 5 years."

    How right you are!

    In five years, Utah will be leaps and bounds further than where they are now.

    BYU, not so much.

  • couglifer South Jordan, UT
    June 5, 2012 4:17 a.m.

    It says according to Ute fans that on the day of the Colorado game the better team won but we had a d-2 quarterback so we can accept that. But when the Utes beat BYU you know the mighty Utes it had everything to do with how great they are and nothing to do with the steam roll effect. Yes the Utes beat BYU they were the better team that day. But that has not always been the case.
    @CO Ute
    No I do not think that Alex Smith is a bad QB he has been in very bad situations new coaches every year let him have a couple of years and then we will see where he is at good or bad. But the same can be said for Beck. Now Hall is a different case he never had the ability to play at the next level maybe the arena league but that is about it.

  • David King Layton, UT
    June 5, 2012 1:02 a.m.

    Brad, my bet is if you really tried to take the time to understand what Ron Paul was saying, you'd be fine for him running for office any time he wants. Feel free to make fun, but don't complain if ten years from the now, the US is still involved in wars all over the place, buried in debt, and government power is constantly increasing.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 5, 2012 12:21 a.m.


    "The arrogance of Utah is astounding...Our program is in the PAC12 now and we can't schedule BYU. Interesting that Florida/Florida State play each other every year...ditto USC/Notre Dame..."

    There's a big difference between UF-FSU and USC-ND games, from the Ute-cougars matchup. The former 2 don't matchup a relevant school with some WAC-ish and mid-majorey opponent, and their desire to play each other are mutual. However, while Utah has between 9-10 relevant games each season -- thereby manufacturing no additional need to schedule the Indy-WACers -- the Utes' little brothers desperately need us. Thus, we have the creation of a desire to play each other that is NOT mutual.

    However, it COULD be mutual if Holmoe would just do the right thing and agree to an arrangement with 2 games at RES to every game at LES. The cougars seem to feel justified in doing it to the Aggies, so similarly, the Utes should feel justified in demanding likewise from the cougs.

    If Holmoe won't, then let it die. This game just isn't that important to us anymore.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 4, 2012 11:57 p.m.

    Samantha - Alright - So Byu is better than Utah ..... With that thought how come Utah has won 7 out of the last 10 meetings with byu....... Seriously, if byu is better, why do they rarely beat the Utes.... And what does it say that Utah couldn't be lowly Colorado but they humiliated byu on their own turf....

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 4, 2012 11:19 p.m.


    "...I'm thinking Utah did pretty darn good last year considering they had a d-2 quarterback and was their 1st year in the PAC 12."

    ... until the thought process comes full circle to that Colorado game and then the harsh reality of how miserable 4-5 really is in the conference... sixth or eight place out of 12 teams, and then again...Jenny, you had a PAC cupcake schedule.

    You have one more season until the 'Goliaths' come to annihilate the Utes.

    I'm a big fan. I can't wait.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 4, 2012 11:10 p.m.

    Whom am I sir...

    When that Coach's Poll said BYU #25 and Utah... zip, nada, zilch, etc. there's a big cheer. The local yokal bragging rights don't seem to mean squat on the national stage. Nationally that 54-10 game didn't matter except it probably bumped the Cougars a few notches down!

    That NC, lots of 10+ win seasons, multiple conference championships, multiple top 25 appearances and a history of great QBs make BYU the media darling it is.

    The Utes are like the old Avis car rental ads... we try harder.
    Or Burger King, Wendys to McDonalds comparison.

    Burger King or Wendy's might have a better burger but they will always be behind McDonalds.

    Just got in the 'business' a little too late.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 4, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    The picture says so much! First half of the November game 2010. 2010! How hard was it to search the archives to find the last moment a Y fan cheered at a Utah game?

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 4, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    Just my thoughts .........I'm thinking Utah did pretty darn good last year considering they had a d-2 quarterback and was their 1st year in the PAC 12. How did your team do against the Utes last year?

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    June 4, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    Byu has a big problem. They never win big games. Look at their bowl record. It Couldn't be much worse.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 4, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    re:slc byu fan. You recited bullet points like a well oiled ute fan...that you are.

    The BYU program is far from strained, in fact it's incredibly vibrant. More and more interest is being given to BYU and more potential recruits are taking a look.

    The real story is that U fans are miserable of the success the BYU is having, while they are buried in a top heavy league with no ESPN in sight. In addition Utah if finding out that being in the PAC only means you get the left overs from AZ, ASU, USC, UW, Stanford and Oregon.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    June 4, 2012 8:30 p.m.

    The arrogance of Utah is astounding...Our program is in the PAC12 now and we can't schedule BYU. Interesting that Florida/Florida State play each other every year...ditto USC/Notre Dame plus many other schools who are not in the same conference. Utah's head has grown bigger than their program...especially considering they didn't even play Stanford or Oregon last season with losses to USC, Washington, California, Colorado etc. etc.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    I think Whittingham is no different than many BYU alumni nowadays, wondering in particular what the future holds for his alma-matter's program. I think the choice to go football independent was and still remains an effort by the BYU administration to remain relevant in the now fast changing pace of college football. But with what BYU can schedule in such a position, and the difficulties both external (no Sunday play policy) and internal (LDS Church leadership politics...wanting BYU to stay in WCC) in joining a league like the Big 12 presents clearly shows a program strained, particularly as it has now continued to struggle more for the caliber of LDS student athletes to recruit who now wish to go to other power league schools as well as Utah. A BYU program that can find its way into the Big 12 can certainly revive and be the exposure tool desired and convince Utah it's relevant enough to renew the rivalry after a short 3-4 year hiatus perhaps. But not joining if a sincere offer comes could eventually "Rexburgize" the BYU program by late in the decade.

    June 4, 2012 6:59 p.m.

    Wow - first 2 posts and both can't wait to dump on the U. Typical from Ducky but if this was a BYU grad he would be a great QB just looking for the right situation. Since it is a former U player, he is clearly lucky to have a job. Alex Smith isn't a pro bowl QB right now but he is a legitimate NFL starter.

    Balan - neither Utah or BYU needs the head to head match up right now as they both have bigger fish to fry. If Utah does or doesn't play the Y, it won't have any impact on the state of athletics in 5 years. Frankly the U may be better served by scheduling a team they can beat every year instead of worrying about losing 3 out of every 10 times.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    June 4, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    Whittingham would be wise to heed the old adage "be careful what you wish for because you might get it." I know that he and most Utah fans think they are the second coming of USC, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It will be interesting to see what the state of Utah athletics is in 5 years.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 4, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Harbaugh is about as believable as obama. Look harbaugh, smith knows what he is at this point and it isn't the equivalent of Peyton Manning. He's just happy to have a job, you don't need to try and make him feel like he was your guy all along since we all know that isn't true. He's what you've got so get out of him what you can and next offseason go for the next best guy available.