Doug Robinson: BCS has finally admitted what everyone knew all along

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  • Idaho_Boy Aberdeen, ID
    June 4, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    All this is another teeny tiny baby step. Until we have a 32 or 64 playoff system, will we ever have a true champion. They are holding onto their precious monopoly and making a few tweaks here and there to try and make us believe that they are making real changes. We'll get there, but probably take another 20 years at the rate they are going. Hopefully not. Now that there is a playoff maybe, just maybe things will pick up steam, but I'm not holding out hope since they have managed to stonewall for so long just to get to a playoff.

  • Arkansas_gal DE QUEEN, AR
    June 1, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    BRAVO!! I got great delight out of reading this story. I am a HUGE football fan. I never understood the whole college bowl selection process. It has needed an overhaul for years. I believe having a playoff structure is the best solution. Even if teams started playoff's shortly after Thanksgiving, which may be difficult given end of semester finals. Let each conference conduct a play-off to bring out their best, then work it across the regions until you come to a national championship. Isn't this what March Madness is all about for Basketball? And I'm not EVEN going into dabble into the selection process for that!

    June 1, 2012 11:35 a.m.


    Three of the teams in the 4 team playoff should come from the current BCS conferences with the 4th team being the best team in the Independant Conference.

    Notre Dame is a good choice if they win thier games, the other 3 aren't even close

    June 1, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    This is a last ditch effort by the BCS to retain control. There is no way to Justify Automatic Qualifiers anymore (actually the Big East and ACC have been a joke for years.) This won't change much but is a step in the right direction. Too bad all the smaller conferences have been gutted in the process.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    June 1, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    The NCAA basketbakk tournament started at 8 teams in 1939. Today we have over 64 teams. Look for the same from Football. The hole is in the dike.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    June 1, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    First off, Old news, Robinson. Must be a really slow news day because this article is several months too late.
    Secondly, the BCS has changed nothing. These SEC presidents [that run the BCS] will STILL ensure that the SEC comes out with as many "National Titles" as possible, and retains a lions share of the BCS $$. The good ol' boys have simply placated a few naysayers.
    The ONLY way to ensure a true nation championship is to have a playoff between ALL of the Conference champions from every D1 conference. No favortism towards any conference. Anybody can fall, and anybody can win. The excitement would build every week, and the Rose Bowl would be the perfect venue (on New Years Day, as was historically done) for a game that could very well rival the Super Bowl in its anticipation.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    June 1, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    The NCAA basketball tournament started in 1939 with 8 teams ans is now 64.

  • fcbenjamin Chittenango, NY
    June 1, 2012 6:33 a.m.

    It's a baby step in the right direstion, but the BCS conferences are already maneuvering. The SEC is advocating picking the four top teams, regardless, which means winning your conference is not an issue. This is, in a way, logical, but the SEC is self-serving, hoping to keep more slots open for SEC teams, which end up highly ranked in part because they play each other. Adding an out-of-conference strength-of-schedule component would help this, but, in reality, we replace one set of controversies with another. Still, it's a baby step in the right direction.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    May 31, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    The problem isn't the BCS, per se; It's the NCAA. They are the regulators of college athletics that everyone has bought into and they are the ones that should determine playoff situations. They're clearly biased and poorly run on the football front (just look at how they meted out justice at USC and Ohio State), and no doubt in the back pocket of the BCS powers that be.

    The NCAA needs to man up and tell the BCS, "that's great that you have your playoff. Now, here's ours, and here's why we think it's a more equitable system that leads to better all-around athletics."

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    May 31, 2012 10:41 p.m.

    The new four-team play-off is going to be manipulated by the same dishonest people who have been manipulating the BCS. If you think it will be better, you are a dreamer. The only way a four-team play-off would improve upon the BCS system is if there were four, very inclusive super conferences in which any D-1 school could choose to participate, who then had their own play-off system to reduce their representation down to the one to participate in the National Championship play-off. Better, would be eight semi-super conferences delivering eight conference champions to an eight-team play-off. And best, would be sixteen conferences, each delivering a conference champion into a 16-team National Championship play-off. The important piece would be "inclusiveness." Don't leave out anyone who wants to play, and decide championships of conferences and of the nation on the field.

  • Ballplayer Spanish Fork, UT
    May 31, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    How is this any different that the sham they have been perpetrating on the game for years? It's still the same people controlling the big money games and they will still see their sweethearts into those games, only now there will be three of those games, in addition to whatever other big money bowl games they still control. Until there is a system that allows a representative of every conference to have a shot at the title, it is no different.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 31, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    Doug, you're double-fisting the same poisonous Kool-Aid into your gob, and belching the company line between gulps. Buuuuurp! This is a slap in the face for college football fans outside the current BCS conferences, and you know it. Nothing has changed. Not. One. Thing. With a four-team playoff in place, what are the odds that one of those teams will *ever* be from a non-AQ conference? You know the answer and the truth, but you side-stepped both with conviction and aplomb.

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    May 31, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    Let say this as clearly as I can.....

    I Don't Care!

    If people would realize how silly it is to watch school teams bash their heads out on the field, while grown men and women watch, the BCS would have never existed. I am proud to say that I have never paid any attention to college ball, and I gave up on pro ball when I was still very young. About the time I matured a bit and realized there were better things to do with my time than sit in front of the tube for hours on end each Saturday and Sunday.

    So I will come out of the closet and make a totally clean admission....I also cannot stand golf, I think basketball is as bad, baseball is even worse, and bass fishing, to watch is the worst of them all......well OK, there is something worse....watching grown men drive around a track 500 times.....that is worse.

    I will also admit that the one sport, is it a sport?, that I watched when I was in junior high, was the PBA. Yes that is right, I spent time watching Earl Anthony roll them strikes.

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2012 6:02 p.m.

    I once had a professor that said "I will flunk you on your paper if you squeeze the margins, make the font bigger, or quadruple space paragraphs or headers. It's all because you think I'm that stupid, not for any other reason." These BCS goons, with all of their ridiculous responses(which Doug quoted nicely) really think we're all "that stupid". I know it's just a game, but to be played like fools over a system that, again, Doug revisited perfectly, is the frustrating part. I'm a cougar, but the Utes got the shaft. We'll never know how they could have competed against the best because the computers and coaches made the decisions. It really is more of the same with this new system. It should be 16 teams, at least. Shorten the season if necessary. You know these old men are laughing behind closed doors at how dumb we all are for not combining our voices to demand a change sooner. Old men keeping the money for the "big boys". I hope some day these clowns realize they will be mocked mercilessly for their decisions and defense for this system.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2012 5:19 p.m.

    Three of the teams in the 4 team playoff should come from the current BCS conferences with the 4th team being the best team in the Independant Conference.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    "If D2 can do a 16 team playoff, why can't D1 figure this out?"
    In football, the teams ranked 14-15-16 have 3 losses. Adding teams that low is just hoping for a Cindarella Story. I agree with you that 1 regular season loss shouldn't end your title run. There is a pretty good chance that the best team can be found ranked in the top 8 or top 10 at the end of the year.

    The BCS isn't any worse than what was in place before. It met the goal of earning more money for the sport. If crowning a true champion is the goal, consult with the NCAA. Interesting that they don't officially recognize D1 football national championships. Such things are just the opinion of AP Writers, Coaches, Computers, and fans.

  • PizzInovations Chandler, AZ
    May 31, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    This is an excellent and entertaining read, Doug. Unfortunately, the BCS powers that be are without a conscience so even if they read this they wouldn't feel any guilt or remorse. Your next article needs to be about the allegations that the TV stations' contracts (or pending contracts) w/the "Big 4" conferences are requiring all schools be available for Sunday play, thus automatically discriminating against BYU and apparently shutting them out of any Big 12 invite.

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    May 31, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Malone is right. A 360 degree turn. Which, when executed, puts them going in the same direction as when they started the turn.

  • WasatchReb Provo, UT
    May 31, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    Kansas and Ohio State are the perfect examples of why this new 4 team "tournament" is ridiculous. Both those schools struggled, in hoops, at the beginning of the season...but used the season to get better, and both ended up in the NCAA Final Four....right now, for 99% of the schools, one loss eliminates you from this 4 team playoff. However, if you put in the top 8 conference champions and 8 at-large teams, you would certainly be getting the best teams playing their best football.

    If D2 can do a 16 team playoff (they're at 20 teams now aren't they?), why can't D1 figure this out? Because there's too much $$ that wouldn't be managed by the large conferences, that's why. EVERYBODY knows a 16 team playoff would be bring in so much more money....but the former BCS conferences don't want that money going to others schools besides theirs....and hence, we get stuck with a stupid four team playoff.

  • HS Sport Dude South Jordan, UT
    May 31, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    It will still be the SEC in the end. Look at the top 4 teams from last year and make an argument that the title game would not have been Alabama versus LSU. I like the system we have and now it is even better. Even more of a chance for the SEC to win national championships.

  • BYU_Aggie LOGAN, UT
    May 31, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    I really don't think this is much improvement at all. All this does is create a "Big 4" group of conferences, instead of the previous big 6. This article gives numerous examples of BCS injustice, but the new playoff will not be any more equitable, and wouldn't have given justice to almost all of those teams. What we'll see is this:
    Game 1: SEC vs. Pac 12 champions
    Game 2: Big 12 vs. Big 10 champions
    Or any other shuffling of these four conference champions.

    Of course, this would have allowed say, OSU to play Alabama this last year, instead of us all having to settle for only the SEC rematch, but other than that, the MWC, C-USA, WAC, or even the ACC and Big East are all getting left out this time around. Let's us not kid ourselves, the only way there is a fair post-season for a national title, is when there are enough bids to spread beyond the original big 6 and half of the SEC.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    May 31, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    Football has an unsolvable problem. Basketball has 7-game playoffs, so the winner has prevailed over time. Football only has one-game, winner-take-all tournaments, thus the results are statistically indefensible. Thus these arguments will continue until the ACLU and the Tea Party join hands and sing Kumbaya.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    Things are changing, but the intent is to be more exclusionary. There is a lot of money at stake, and sharing isn't part of the plan. Going to a 8 or 16 team playoff increases the "risk" of sharing money outside the circle of the Big Four (PAC12, SEC, Big10, Big12). Even Notre Dame isn't getting the special consideration that they once enjoyed.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    May 31, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    The fans knew it firsts! I read and listened to radio show hosts, journalists, tv personalities praise the BSC while at the same time the fans were screaming unfair and bogus. It took much longer for "media" to admit what they knew deep inside.

    This new system, this fan knows, will still be bogus. But I'll sit and wait for media types to praise it...again.

  • Idaho.Aggie Idaho Falls, ID
    May 31, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Here's an idea to have traditional bowl games and also reduce the influence of the pollsters in selecting the playoff teams. The 4 playoff teams should be the winners of the:

    Rose Bowl: PAC12 vs Big10
    Sugar Bowl: SEC vs Big12
    Fiesta Bowl: Conference Champ in top 12 vs Conference Champ in Top 12
    Orange Bowl: Conference Champ in top 12 vs Conference Champ in Top 12

    *Fiesta/Orange bowls would have to select the 4 highest ranked conf champ/indep teams ranked in top 12. A higher ranked independent team, such as a ND or BYU would qualify as a Conf Champ and could technically push lower ranked conference champs out if if their in the top 12.
    *For the Fiesta/Orange bowls, at-large teams (non-conference champs) could only be chosen when there are not enough qualified teams meeting the above criteria.
    The Fiesta would always have priority for the highest available ranked team out West and the Orange for the the highest available East team.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 31, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    @BYU Joe

    I associate with a lot of Utah fans and I don't know a single one who thinks the BCS is good. Just because we're part of it now doesn't mean it's suddenly the right way to go.

  • HawkAlum SANDY, UT
    May 31, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    The fact is, in the past there have been numerous instances (as outlined in the article) of undefeated or one loss teams that have been left out of BCS games. With this system we still have that drama, combined with an even greater source of controversy: Who are the top four teams? We're going to be dealing with the same subjective politics as before.

    That being said, it's great to see that college football is moving in the right direction. Hopefully this will eventually lead to an expanded 8-16 team playoff in the future. We have to start somewhere though.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    Big money corrupts and the BCS monopoly is built on big money. They play a shell game with the onlookers, but they still get the money. Education, integrity and fairness take a back seat. Until we adopt the Ivy League mentality toward athletics, things will not change.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    May 31, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    It should have been an eight or sixteen team playoff. More money, and who really believes that it couldn't be set up to avoid missing school? December is awash with time and the first week of Jan. could still host the finale.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    May 31, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    I don't see much of a change. The top 4 is barely better than a top two. Perhaps I'm still biased against the current process.

    May 30, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    Garbage by any other name still stinks as bad. They are still building a system that will result in nearly the same thing.

    Now I would not complain anymore if I was a UTE fan and will only complain as a Cougar fan because we are still on the outside looking in - although closer.