Utah Jazz: No luck for Jazz as Warriors keep pick in NBA draft lottery

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  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    June 3, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    sportsfan2k10 thinks the Jazz need a pg, I thought we had one already in Deron.

    We then picked up another pg who by all intents and purposes one of the better pg's on paper in the NBA. Which team do you think would hand over their pg for some mediocre Bell's, Jeffersons or Miles?

    Corbin did better this season than most give him credit for. He had to mold a team with no true superstar into a playoff team and he did fine.

    I notice that Leonard who shot 17% from 3 point land in college changed when he landed in San Antonio. He now shoots closer to 40%. who is their shooting coach?

    The Jazz need to send their shooting coach to China as he has proven to not only be worthless but also damaging to the players shots. Prior to coming here Harris shot 12% better from 3 point land, Hayward's shot was reduced to an awful thing thanks to the help of the Jazz shooting organization. Bell was a recognized 3 point threat in the league til coming to Utah, learned the wrong way and became a basket case.

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    June 1, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    brave sir robin

    And how does a team improve by tanking? You need to follow the warriors. You guys obviously share the same failed philosophy.

    You actually don't believe a team can improve internally? Kevin Love wasn't the player he is today in his rookie year. niether were james harden, russell westbrook or deron williams.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 1, 2012 12:09 a.m.


    i agree with you on the Favors/Millsap doing better than the Favors/Jefferson...Al has a lot of good post moves...i give him that...but you will never win anything with him...he lacks commitment on D...and the ball rotation stagnates on offense when he is there...plus the fact that the coach has limited offensive plays kills us...he has enormous talent at his disposal from our young guys...yet he cant use them properly...


    you criticizing my use of the elipsis...is pretty boring especially when you spell "Consistently" wrong...I'd trade Al Jefferson first...before i'll trade Millsap...Clutch performance you say?...Millsap has been clutch...dunk to clinch the OT...clutch last year when he scored what? 11 points to clinch an OT against miami...and performed well to close the said game out...with all the things you said on your comment...became totally moot...because if you truly watched a Jazz game...you'd be crying everytime the Jazz go on D...with Al Jeff at the middle...its Carlos Boozer version 2.0 without the 18 ft jump shot

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    June 1, 2012 12:01 a.m.


    you have no idea what you are talking about?...best player is a liability on both ends of the floor...are you serious? do you really watch the games?...i cringe everytime i see Al's lead footed D...i smack my head everytime i see the same offensive play for the Nth time...clearly you dont know what you are talking about...oh and by the way...i have coached college and HS ball here in tokyo...

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 31, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    Ouisc- I agree that the Jazz are pretty young right now, and that youth movements rarely work out (OKC is probably the exception).

    However, how do you think that the Jazz can keep Al and Sap (both in last year of their contracts) and sign Favors and Hayward to extensions in 2013, and Burks and Kanter in 2014?

    Also, where is Favors going to get his minutes next year? I believe that he is at the point of his career that he needs close to 30mins per game. I think this is also needed for the Jazz to evaluate his worth when signing him to a new contract.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    May 31, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    I can't think of too many championship-caliber teams that are comprised entirely of young guys. We don't need to "throw the baby out with the bathwater..."

    AJ and Sap are the heart and soul of this Jazz team. Remove them from this team, and we're starting over. And without their leadership, I don't see younger folks developing as well as they are.

    Complete youth movements don't work out so well. Teams like the Clippers, the Warriors, the Bobcats, the Cavaliers....are always in the midst of a youth movement....which hasn't worked out real well for them.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 31, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    @Sportsfan- you think that the $8M contract of Harris, the $7M contract of Milsap and the approximately $10M TPE will "bring back a good player or two" in return? Any one of these should return a good player or two.

    I also disagree that Big Al's defense improved when Favors was beside him. Favors improved the team defense, Al's defense remained the same.

    While Al is a great offensive player, and can draw a double team consistently, I believe that his flaws on defense or the complete lack of a team offense negate these attributes.

    Statistically, (search lockedonjazz, date 2012/04/26, titled: breakdown how who favors plays with impacts the defense) the Favors/Milsap combo is much better than the Favors/Jefferson- both offensively and defensively, which surprised me.

    I have to admit that I was in favor of unloading the undersized PF at the beginning of the season, but now I hope that the Jazz deal Al and keep Sap.

    A realistic trade that would immediately improve the team over the next two years would be Al for Iggy. The Jazz' defense would be top class.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 31, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    @Man in Charge

    "What basis will the jazz finish 9th or 10th next year."

    On the basis that the Jazz finished 8th this year, and this offseason everybody else will get better while the Jazz don't do anything. That will be enough to drop them 1 or 2 spots. It has nothing to do with their showing during the Spurs series.

    If you want to follow something better than mediocre basketball, find a team with an owner who will invest in improving the product instead of spending the minimum possible to fill his arena so he can make a bigger profit and continue to crack crab legs in his suite.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    I like laughing at the conspiracy theorists. The Hornets had a 13.7% chance of winning. That is not great, but it is enough to cast a big huge shadow of doubt on your conspiracy theories. Yes, I think it was a coincidence. I do think that refs in general favor stars and seem to favor certain teams but that more likely is due to their own individual biases. It likely doesn't even come from the league at all.

    As for the Jazz I don't think getting a draft pick would have mattered at all as far as their performance goes. I agree it is absurd to think they will be 9th or 10th. I am nearly certain they make the playoffs. They exceeded expectations this year by making it, there is no reason to think they won't next year. Depending on how well they are able to do with free agent signings and trading during the off season, they could be anywhere from the 8th seed to the 4th seed in next years playoffs is my broad early prediction.

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    May 31, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    Brave sir Robin

    What basis will the jazz finish 9th or 10th next year. I know the spurs swept them, but wait, they are sweeping everybody in the playoffs this year.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 31, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    Oh no...the Jazz didn't get Golden State's pick! Now they're going to become a mediocre team...oh wait, they already are. Sorry, I forgot.

    I guess now the only question left to answer is whether they'll finish 9th or 10th in the west...

  • sportsfan2k10 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Oh silly Kakashi! Your comment is the definition of mediocrity. And your use of "..." is unnerving. It is obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about. Are you even a Jazz fan? Big Al is our best player. He is the only consistantly clutch offensive weapon we have and his defense improved immensly this year, especially when he played alongside D-Favors! If Favors were to start at PF with Big Al at Center it would be a thing of beauty. We need to trade Millsap because he will not accept the role of backup PF and he is BY FAR our most sought after and tradable asset. If KOC were to package Millsap with Devin Harris (who has an expiring contract and played well in the 2nd half of the season) and include our trade exception, I think we would be able to make a deal for a good player or two in return. Our biggest needs are PG (someone who can actually distribute and run an offense) and a wing player who can shoot 3s! As soon as we get those two things and our young guys develope a little more the Jazz will dominate!!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 30, 2012 11:41 p.m.

    @Old Timer

    you must be dreaming...i dont think Ty Corbin is creative enough or skilled enough as a coach to pull something off...have you watched the entire season?..our offense about 90% of the entire season...goes like this...harris dribbles the ball up to court...passes the ball to hayward...hayward passes the ball to jefferson...he would do a routine cut where in its not an option to pass him the ball...the entire team waits till Al Jeff shoots it..or dishes it out with 5 secs left...thus not getting a decent shot off...(now i see where your frustrations are CJ Miles the poster)....that's about it...Al Jefferson on D...is like watching paint dry...or the excitement that a rock would somehow stand and walk...the only way to move forward...is to trade them...and get a new coach...for us to improve...they need to trust the young players more...that's why you drafted them...not to become ornaments for a tree...play to your strengths...and grab team first players...they better change or its mediocrity

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    May 30, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    In spite of the comments above, the system is not rigged. I also don't agree with the comment saying that the new players need to mix with the old ones to make it work for the Jazz. The Jazz needs good, athletic, young players to develop with each other. The bad contracts like Jefferson and Harris need to go. Millsap and Bell need to be packaged in a trade to obtain draft picks. If we can get some good, young players like Oklahoma City did, we have a credible chance with the young players we already have to make a future run for a championship. If we keep the older players, we will remain in mediocrity forever. This season should be a stark reminder of how a group of poor decisions ruined our chances to build a credible team with a real future.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    May 30, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    King Davids lottery. What a joke. It looks like the king has the whole NBA kingdom rigged.

  • DrGroovey Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    Does anyone understand how this system even works. It all seems like VooDoo to me.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    May 30, 2012 8:03 p.m.

    No worry Jazz fans. 3mil & 1.5mil for the other first rounder is too much with the young players we have! Rookies don't produce for 2 or 3 we now have years at best, but get the money with raises each year. We need a couple 4-6 year veterans to mix with our youth and we will be fine if coach Ty will change his offense and defense to play to player strengths. Free agents & trades are there for the taking and I trust Kevin and Co. Go Jazz.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    The jazz don't deserve it anyway.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    May 30, 2012 7:24 p.m.

    No wonder that NBA fans think Stern is a hack. I have to agree with Little Andy and say that this will add fuel to the conspiracy theory fire.

    Stern nixes the CP3 Laker deal to get more for the Hornets. Now he gets a buyer for the team and lo and behold they beat the odds and jump 3 spots and get the #1 pick.

    Go figure.

    I'm sure the comment sections on sports sites are on fire with this "unlikely" event happening (wink wink).

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    May 30, 2012 7:08 p.m.

    A lot of people will say this smells fishy. A team that the NBA owned for most of last season moves up two spots to win it all. The new owner heard the words "Buy this team and the number one pick goes with it." Maybe..