@CHS 85"We get it, a mission is a great thing and military
service is a great thing - for someone else."Getting a
ministerial deferral when there was a draft in effect during the Vietnam war did
not permanently exclude a man from military service. After the two years were
completed for the mission, Uncle Sam came calling. I know that to be true
because that is what happened to me after I served my mission.
@worfThanks for playing. You're right, it wasn't illegal
for Mitt Romney to go on a mission instead of serving in the military. I'm
sure you said the same things about Bill Clinton when he was running for office
having had an education deferment. I'm sure you give thanks to Al Gore and
John Kerry for actually serving in Vietnam, with Al Gore being a child of
privilege like Mr. Romney. You're also right that President
Obama didn't serve in the military - but there hasn't been a draft
during the years he would have been eligible. As an opinion of my
own, I believe the President should have served in the military to be an
effective military leader. Just my opinion, and yes, I voted for John McCain
when he ran in 2008.
CHS 85,The war was highly expanded during the Johnson years, and
Romney did nothing illegal by going on a church mission for two and a half
years. It was a Republican who ended the war and draft.Liberal
Democrat Johnson also declared war on poverty, and it's been a miserable
flop.Obama could have joined the Army and fought in the Kuwait war
or served in many other countries, but he didn't. As an opinion, I doubt
he'd give his life for the country.
@let's debate 12:47 PM "...Romney did nothing wrong by
serving a mission and not serving in the military...".Mitt
Romney has said that one of the biggest mistakes he ever made was not serving
his country in any branch of the military.There are many who served
missions who also served their country, in some branch, of the military.For Pete's sake, even President Ronald Reagan served his country,
in the Film Unit, at Burbank Cailfornia, during WWII.President
Reagan is the GOLD STANDARD with regard to all things Conservative/Republican.
@ LetsDebatePLEASANT GROVE, UT"Just watch - every opposing
comment will be ad hominem attacks on "birther kookiness" or even
racism, without a speck of factual evidentiary rebuttal."ad
hominem - Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the
policy or position they maintain.So that is what its called! Many
years ago I used to show a filmstrip entitled "The News Makers" about
how the media didn't report the news, they simply made the news. Clearly
illustrated when Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press writer who posted
this story used the term "discredited" without an further explanation as
to how that was determined.I attempted to find some background on
Mr. Ohlemacher but his information is as hard to find as is information about
Mr. Obama. Perhaps someone else could give it a try and see if they can find
any background information on Mr. Ohlemacher. My apologies to
LetsDebate - what on earth was I thinking by commenting on the evidence?
Ron Paul 2012!
@LDSLib - so, as long as someone's a veteran, they're free to smear
everyone who didn't serve, and remain free of criticism? Is that why they
and you served - to inoculate yourself against any further criticism? I respect
your service, and I respect the service of everyone who served honorably, but I
do not buy into your lame premise that the honor and respect extends to crazy
ideas and dishonest, hypocritical smearing of fellow citizens.Romney
did nothing wrong by serving a mission and not serving in the military, and
Obama has NOTHING on Romney as far as military service and respect for our armed
forces. Try other arguments to favor Obama and oppose Romney, because everybody
who has avoided abject delusion knows that in his heart, Obama sees the military
to some extent as a tool of Western colonialism, but he talks the political talk
as well as he can to avoid exposing this objectionable viewpoint.
@worfName a war where President Obama could have been drafted. The man who started the wars was from your party. The man who is ending
them is from another party, true or false? We get it, a mission is
a great thing and military service is a great thing - for someone else.
Brother Chuck Schroeder,It was a liberal Democrat that expanded the
war, and other then cost lives and money, did nothing. Men died for what?
Brother Chuck Schroeder,What war has Obama fought in? Giving over a
billion dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood is patriotic? Serving a mission is
hiding? Your priorities are bias and hypocritical.
@IdahoStranger - the suggestion that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. has been
"discredited" merely by the fact that Obama said he was born in Hawaii,
and produced a document. How dare anyone challenge that! Any evidence of fraud,
like what you have pointed out, is clearly not true, because Obama has mocked
the idea and therefore put it to rest. Left-leaning journalists certainly
don't want to be the subject of mockery by the most enlightened and
transformational President of our generation, so actual in-depth investigative
journalism into this matter is deeply frowned upon.So, we have a
see-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil media on this matter, and a public that
is either highly gullible and accepting of shallow reporting, or too intimidated
to demand a full investigation of the facts. Just watch - every opposing
comment will be ad hominem attacks on "birther kookiness" or even
racism, without a speck of factual evidentiary rebuttal. If you can't
debate the facts, personally impugn your opponent.
DN article quote from Associated Press: "Romney's message and his big
day, however, were somewhat overshadowed by real estate mogul Donald Trump and
his discredited suggestions that Obama wasn't born in the United
States.""discredited" by who? Can someone
dispute these facts:Obama's document consists of several
different layers. The date/time stamp and the certification stamp are on
separate layers and can be moved to anywhere on the document. The green
background is also on a separate layer.If it was an original
document and had been scanned with an OCR scanner,you would be able to
search for a word on the page, edit on thepage and it would show a listing
of the different fonts encounteredon the page. His document fails all
three tests so it appears itwas not an OCR scan from a single page
@xert - if you think your tent doesn't have unflattering figures, it merely
shows your willing partisan blindness. Ever heard of Bill Maher, Michael Moore,
Code Pink, Communist Party USA? Get a real issue. Do you really
want to be defined by the kooks in your tent?
I know Mitt will never have the character to stand up to Trump and call him out
on his birther tactics. That kind of courage was bad for John McCain. But
couldn't Mitt ask him to quit bobbing for Cheetos and stick to the "two
directions per combing limited" hair reform? Watch Romney and Trump closely
Republicans. The Donald now is part of you and yours. I have the comfort of
knowing, that even should President Obama lose this race, I will never be in the
same tent as Donald Trump and the birthers. Can you say the same?
Lets all have a group hug, shall we!?
My vote in Utah doesn't matter. Mitt Romney will win the elector vote by a
landslide here. To those who think all veterans love Mitt Romney
and hate President Obama - you are wrong, very wrong. Many of us who have
served, fought, and loved this country are weary of endless war. “The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must
suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.” - Douglas McArthur
Nobody won tonight except President Obama. Sad how politics work but with
Romneys venture capital past and Donald Trump's statament...we have a
So as quite a few of those I know personally are having new hope in the economy
with Mitt , might this help to already bring an upswing that then Obama claim as
HIS work? Just thinking.
Just wait until we start getting close enough to see over this 'fiscal
cliff' the media (particularly the financial media) keep talking about. We
are coming up to the debt ceiling (AGAIN) and there is no indication that the
Democrats want to do the responsible thing and make cuts to the budget. We are
about to kiss the $16 Trillion debt marker goodbye. The Bush tax cuts are going
to expire and the Democrats aren't about to give in on that without a
fight. So here's what we are going to have later this summer: The party in
power is going to campaign against extending tax cuts that affect everyone, not
just the rich. They are going to campaign on going 'FOREWORD' on huge
deficit spending, and they are going to campaign against capitalism. Don't be surprised on the morning after the election that Mitt Romney won
in a landslide.
Another rung up the ladder and I feel sure that Romney's shoes will not
slip as he climbs. Viva Romney.
Brother Chuck Schroeder,You mean Mitt Romney was smart enough to
avoid Vietnam?We need a smart man for the President...Romney 2012
Brother Chuck, Obama did not mean what he said about apologizing to the Vietnam
Vets. It was a political ploy to get the Vets to like him b/c he is low in
those polls... Also, you said that Mitt did not join the military so you would
not vote for him. Well Obama did not join either. It takes a really gutsy
person to join and not everyone can fight. Do you really want just anyone
joining the military?
I guess I just find it interesting how this article tells of Obama being so
pious. Please. The best candidate for this election is Mitt Romney.
To Brother Chuck, don't you realize that Obama's apology on Memorial
Day about how the Vietnam troops were treated when they returned was just an
election ploy...He's scared b/c the Vets don't like him. He did not
mean what he said. Also, you said you would not vote for Mitt b/c he did not
join the military- well Obama didn't either. It takes a really special
person to have the guts to join and I don't think I'd want Men or
Women who can't hack it to fight...
Visit with Trump in sin city, refusal to renounce the "birther issue,"
visit to coal country to poke fun at "green jobs" in Colorado... ... This how Romney celebrates his nomination? What a joke!
Now kids, can't we all just get along?
Sorry, romney, you'll never get my vote. Ever.
H. Ross Perot 2012!!!
By the way, Romney is backed and preferred by more veterans than Obama! - a 24%
Sing along: "Na na na na na na ..hey, hey, goodbye Obama...""If Mitt Romney lacks the backbone to stand up to a charlatan like Donald
Trump because he's so concerned about lining his campaign's pockets,
what does that say about the kind of president he would be?"Answer: Then Romney JUST might turn out to be the current
president-in-training (aka Obama) who promised to stand up to charlatans like
the lobbyists and has never done it because he is so concerned about lining up
his campaign's pockets!!So, sorry Obama, you will never get my
vote, EVER! ... ROMNEY 2012!
It's ironic that the Obama campaign is talking about lack of moral
leadership. Sorry Obama, you will never get my vote ever...Romney 2012!!!
Sing along, "ALL my ex's live in Texas". Fifty years
after VietnamIn his speech at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in
Washington D.C., President Obama did more than just mark Memorial Day; he began
the 50th commemoration of that conflict and those who served in one of
America's longest wars.Fifty years ago, American forces stepped
up operations in Vietnam. During the conflict, more than three million Americans
served in the Vietnam war, and more than 58,000 American patriots gave their
lives. And when U.S. forces returned home, too many never received the
hero's welcome they deserved.Yesterday, President Obama told
their story as it should have been told all along a story of patriotism, honor,
and courage.SORRY Mitt Romney, I fought, never hid in France, and
stayed in school to avoid the draft either. You'll never get my vote ever.