The Utah Division of Air Quality monitoring network is so sparse, that they have
virtually no idea what the refineries emit.
Re: ". . . it's still a fact that Davis County residents suck in the
worst air in the West."No, it's not.You have to
leave California to get to anywhere with more than the 11th worst air. Utah air
is about average, for the West, and Davis county is not even the worst in
Utah.You keep insisting Japan should be our model. Gas in Japan? A
few cents under $7.00 a gallon.Or, better yet, for a mere $8.35 a
gallon, we could go with Germany's more stringent standard.Why
do liberals hate the poor?
No matter how much ad hominem you throw at us who worry about our
children's health, Mr. Fiscal Procurer, it's still a fact that Davis
County residents suck in the worst air in the West. The refineries could go to
zero emissions, but they won't because it would cost them a few dollars.
The Japanese have done it, to their credit. But because of a piratical,
profiteering oil business here, we go on breathing poison. And some people are
unaccountably pleased about it. Twisted.
Re: ". . . I think most people love their children over multinational
corporate profits at the expense of the local population."No
doubt. It's hard-wired into the liberal gestalt to express the failed,
heartless, dangerous socialist ethic in those terms.But what
liberals unfailingly fail to fathom is that most of us in the "local
population" -- as they refer to what they consider the benighted common clay
-- realize that jobs and family income are more important than rigid liberal
orthodoxy.At least to real people.If liberals would put
down their lattes, shuck their Birkenstocks, descend from their ivory towers,
and actually talk to us members of the "local population" long enough to
figure out what real people want, they might begin to understand that liberal
politics are an ostentatious luxury only a few of the thoughtless 1% can afford.
And most of us are more interested in supporting our families than in impressing
other out-of-touch liberals.Real people in Utah County are no
different from those of us in Tooele County on that score.
At least procuradorfiscal is consistent, if not completely wrong.I have
yet to see an article on poisoning children, pollution or destruction of
wildlife that procuradorfiscal doesn't run to defend what should be
criminal behavior by corporations in the name of profit.Living
in Tooele county does put you next to neighbors who are like mindedBurning
Smelting and storing some of the most dangerous stuff in the nation.procuradorfiscal said "is perfectly consistent with my and most normal
people's -- value system."Sorry, I think most people love
their children over multinational corporate profits at the expense of the local
Re: ". . . at last you explicitly reveal your value system... money first,
then politics, then human life."My value system has never been a
secret. My primary purpose in these pages is calling attention to hypocrisy when
I see it.Assuming -- not because I believe them for a moment, but
for the sake of argument -- the truth of the writer's allegations, it needs
pointing out that a parent who would move next to an operating refinery for the
purpose of adding meat to a scientifically unsupportable tree-hugger complaint,
is exalting politics over health. I freely admit, though, it's more likely
the writer's story cannot be substantiated.Pointing out the use
of a child as a political prop, to advance an otherwise unsustainable agenda,
requiring expenditure of enormous amounts of capital to no real, scientifically
validated health benefit, is perfectly consistent with my -- and most normal
people's -- value system.
To "Chris Chiang" while the refineries are the primary source of fine
particulates in the atmosphere, they are not the largest overall polluter. Cars
emit more pollution, but not fine particulates.The other issue that
your doctor may not have mentioned is the fact that moving will often change the
triggers for your child's asthma attacks. You said you lived in California
and had things under control, but here things are rougher. You now have
different environmental factors coming into play such as the cold, dryer air,
different pollutants, and different alergens.You may want to look
into a better Dr.
procuradorfiscal of Tooele, do you really think Mrs Chiang moved to Davis County
to cause a political disturbance? Get serious. The Wasatch Front has terrible
air and the State has fought every attempt to gain some semblence of control. It
might cost a businessman a few dollars and heaven forbid we cut out a few
subsidies to the oil company. Besides it also assists the healthcare business by
creating sick business not to mention the private taxes we pay for health
insurance. You can always tell who has never experienced an exasperation and
that panic you get when you can't breath. My heart goes out to you and your
son Mrs Chiang.
@Procuradorfiscal, at last you explicitly reveal your value system... money
first, then politics, then human life. Typical conservative. Japanese
refineries are now zero emissions. Are we dumber than they are? apparently... or
just more cheap and we don't value human life as much as we value a buck...
as mr Fiscal does.
First mistake: Thinking Davis County has better air quality. If you are
working the Salt Lake Valley, you will have to move to the benches to escape the
inversion. Try the top of 3900 south, the VERY top.
Mr. Chiang, I am sorry to hear about the health predicament your son faces. But
it would have been wise to research our air quality before moving out here; the
Wasatch Front has been in the news for a number of years now regarding our
extremely poor winter air quality and occasion summer ozone problems. Utahns take pride in our supposedly squeaky-clean alcohol- and tobacco-free
healthy lifestyle choices, but self-inflicted toxic air is a dark blemish that
we try our best to ignore. I guess people figure that if their children are not
visibly suffering, then no one else's are. They can then look at the
refinery pollution and car exhaust, and say "pollution? hey buddy, that
smells like money to me".
Re: "Health is more important than politics and money."Or
maybe not.The writer suggests a transplant from California was
motivated by a search for "pristine" air, yet the air in Davis county
has been about the same for years.What politics motivates one to
move next to a refinery and then start whining about air quality?