Davis County refineries cause poor air quality

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  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    The Utah Division of Air Quality monitoring network is so sparse, that they have virtually no idea what the refineries emit.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 29, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    Re: ". . . it's still a fact that Davis County residents suck in the worst air in the West."

    No, it's not.

    You have to leave California to get to anywhere with more than the 11th worst air. Utah air is about average, for the West, and Davis county is not even the worst in Utah.

    You keep insisting Japan should be our model. Gas in Japan? A few cents under $7.00 a gallon.

    Or, better yet, for a mere $8.35 a gallon, we could go with Germany's more stringent standard.

    Why do liberals hate the poor?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 29, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    No matter how much ad hominem you throw at us who worry about our children's health, Mr. Fiscal Procurer, it's still a fact that Davis County residents suck in the worst air in the West. The refineries could go to zero emissions, but they won't because it would cost them a few dollars. The Japanese have done it, to their credit. But because of a piratical, profiteering oil business here, we go on breathing poison. And some people are unaccountably pleased about it. Twisted.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 29, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    Re: ". . . I think most people love their children over multinational corporate profits at the expense of the local population."

    No doubt. It's hard-wired into the liberal gestalt to express the failed, heartless, dangerous socialist ethic in those terms.

    But what liberals unfailingly fail to fathom is that most of us in the "local population" -- as they refer to what they consider the benighted common clay -- realize that jobs and family income are more important than rigid liberal orthodoxy.

    At least to real people.

    If liberals would put down their lattes, shuck their Birkenstocks, descend from their ivory towers, and actually talk to us members of the "local population" long enough to figure out what real people want, they might begin to understand that liberal politics are an ostentatious luxury only a few of the thoughtless 1% can afford. And most of us are more interested in supporting our families than in impressing other out-of-touch liberals.

    Real people in Utah County are no different from those of us in Tooele County on that score.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 29, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    At least procuradorfiscal is consistent, if not completely wrong.
    I have yet to see an article on poisoning children, pollution or
    destruction of wildlife that procuradorfiscal doesn't run to
    defend what should be criminal behavior by corporations in
    the name of profit.

    Living in Tooele county does put you next to neighbors who are like minded
    Burning Smelting and storing some of the most dangerous stuff in the nation.

    procuradorfiscal said "is perfectly consistent with my and most normal people's -- value system."

    Sorry, I think most people love their children over multinational corporate profits at the expense of the local population.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 29, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    Re: ". . . at last you explicitly reveal your value system... money first, then politics, then human life."

    My value system has never been a secret. My primary purpose in these pages is calling attention to hypocrisy when I see it.

    Assuming -- not because I believe them for a moment, but for the sake of argument -- the truth of the writer's allegations, it needs pointing out that a parent who would move next to an operating refinery for the purpose of adding meat to a scientifically unsupportable tree-hugger complaint, is exalting politics over health. I freely admit, though, it's more likely the writer's story cannot be substantiated.

    Pointing out the use of a child as a political prop, to advance an otherwise unsustainable agenda, requiring expenditure of enormous amounts of capital to no real, scientifically validated health benefit, is perfectly consistent with my -- and most normal people's -- value system.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 29, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    To "Chris Chiang" while the refineries are the primary source of fine particulates in the atmosphere, they are not the largest overall polluter. Cars emit more pollution, but not fine particulates.

    The other issue that your doctor may not have mentioned is the fact that moving will often change the triggers for your child's asthma attacks. You said you lived in California and had things under control, but here things are rougher. You now have different environmental factors coming into play such as the cold, dryer air, different pollutants, and different alergens.

    You may want to look into a better Dr.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    May 29, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    procuradorfiscal of Tooele, do you really think Mrs Chiang moved to Davis County to cause a political disturbance? Get serious. The Wasatch Front has terrible air and the State has fought every attempt to gain some semblence of control. It might cost a businessman a few dollars and heaven forbid we cut out a few subsidies to the oil company. Besides it also assists the healthcare business by creating sick business not to mention the private taxes we pay for health insurance. You can always tell who has never experienced an exasperation and that panic you get when you can't breath. My heart goes out to you and your son Mrs Chiang.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 29, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    @Procuradorfiscal, at last you explicitly reveal your value system... money first, then politics, then human life. Typical conservative.
    Japanese refineries are now zero emissions. Are we dumber than they are? apparently... or just more cheap and we don't value human life as much as we value a buck... as mr Fiscal does.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    May 29, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    First mistake: Thinking Davis County has better air quality.
    If you are working the Salt Lake Valley, you will have to move to the benches to escape the inversion. Try the top of 3900 south, the VERY top.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    May 29, 2012 5:55 a.m.

    Mr. Chiang, I am sorry to hear about the health predicament your son faces. But it would have been wise to research our air quality before moving out here; the Wasatch Front has been in the news for a number of years now regarding our extremely poor winter air quality and occasion summer ozone problems.

    Utahns take pride in our supposedly squeaky-clean alcohol- and tobacco-free healthy lifestyle choices, but self-inflicted toxic air is a dark blemish that we try our best to ignore. I guess people figure that if their children are not visibly suffering, then no one else's are. They can then look at the refinery pollution and car exhaust, and say "pollution? hey buddy, that smells like money to me".

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 29, 2012 5:02 a.m.

    Re: "Health is more important than politics and money."

    Or maybe not.

    The writer suggests a transplant from California was motivated by a search for "pristine" air, yet the air in Davis county has been about the same for years.

    What politics motivates one to move next to a refinery and then start whining about air quality?