Brad Rock: Rock on: Watch out, Bronco; here comes NCAA

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  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    May 26, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    People have turned this into a rivalry discussion again and, once again, are missing the point. The BYU part of the article was about the arbitrary and subjective "justice" of the NCAA. These are not paid players. If an athlete wants to recant on a signed contract, there should be language built not the contract that includes restitution to the institution for the investment made on the part of the individual, but not prejudicial to competing entities, especially at the whim of the coach (with whom the contract wasn't even made; the contract is with the institution).

    This is just another example of anticompetitive behavior that is plain as day that no one has the gall to do anything about. USC and Ohio were two similar cases with a world of difference in punishment. The point of NCAA regulations was intended to make competition fair, but they're clearly more interested in being more fair to some than others.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 25, 2012 11:28 a.m.


    LOL, funniest post ever, since you totally just validated what President Uchtdorf was saying! Nowhere in that quote did I see President Uchtdorf say that the BYU athletics department wasn't a missionary tool.

    What I did see was him warning against pride in sports between fans and letting it turn into hatred for other people, or contention, or malice, etc.

    I'm going to assume that includes people coming onto their rivals' comment boards and manipulating a quote from a member of the First Presidency to talk smack.

    LOL, like I said, thanks for validating what he was saying, your post was the perfect example of it! I really am just smiling. Got a good laugh out of that one!

    From the mission statement of the BYU athletic department (approved by the church): "Our mission is to conduct the Athletics program in a manner that will develop student-athletes of excellence in academics, athletics, faith, and character, and to contribute to the mission of the LDS Church through the visibility of our positive example and our accomplishments."

    Sounds like a missionary tool to me.

    But thanks again for the laugh, that was great!

    Go Cougars!

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    May 25, 2012 12:58 a.m.

    In response to those trying to say that byu sports. especially football, is a great missionary tool I quote President Uchtdorf: This sin has many faces. It leads some to revel in their own perceived self-worth, accomplishments, talents, or position. They count these blessings as evidence of being chosen,superior, or more righteous; than others. For others, pride turns to envy: they look bitterly at those who have better positions (PAC-12), more talents, (54-10) or greater possessions than they do (PAC-12). They seek to hurt, diminish, and tear down others in a misguided and unworthy attempt at self-elevation. Perhaps there is no better laboratory to observe the sin of pride than the world of sports. There are times when the lack of civility in sports is embarrassing. How is it that normally kind and compassionate human beings can be so intolerant and filled with hatred toward an opposing team and its fans? I have watched sports fans vilify and demonize their rivals. They justify their hatred with broad generalizations and apply them to everyone associated with the other team ( Max Hall). Missionary tool??? I don't think so.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 23, 2012 10:19 p.m.

    Go Utes,
    In your case arrogance seems to be a perceived notion based upon bias. I have been all over the country and the only people I have heard use the word "arrogance" in association with BYU are Utah fans. I respect your opinion, but also factor in that it is biased.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    May 23, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    Duckhunter -

    "And you and go utes are proving Max to be correct."

    Max who?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 23, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    @devilsh ute

    And you and go utes are proving Max to be correct.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 23, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    @go utes

    So waht you are really telling us is you are a utah "fan" that is tired of having your overall sports program pounded on by BYU's, you don't like the competition so your weak position is for the church to just discontinue sports at its falgship university so your school doesn't have to get embarrassed trying to compete with it.

    Rest assured you are one of many LDS utah "fans" with similar wishes. You all suffer trying to rationalize to yourselves why you actually hate one of the great, and most important institutions of our church. It is pitiful but I have seen it beforemany, many, times. I personally love the angst it appears to cause you.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    May 23, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    The "money" at BYU during their "glory" years was never talked about. It was easy back then. Now, it is very difficult. There is a real reason why 1984 occurred.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    May 23, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    Some of you are proving Go Utes' point right on this thread.

    DC -

    Max who?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 23, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    @ Go Utes

    Re-reading your comments for content, I can only conclude that your real beef is not with BYU and it's arrogance and rudeness, but only with the athletic programs. Therefore, when I look at the athletic programs of BYU and other institutions, even within the state of Utah, I can only conclude one thing:

    What hacks you off is their success.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 22, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    being privy to some inside information about Chow's time at Utah, nothing Norm Chow does would surprise me.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    May 22, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    Go Utes - proving Maxie right once again. Pompous attitude is sickening.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 22, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    @Go Utes "I am not sure what is going on at BYU, but the arrogance of too many and other concerns are so unbecoming a university that purports to represent the church."

    Not sure where you're getting that attitude from, or what (if any) proof you have of this supposed 'BYU arrogance'. BYU athletics is a great missionary tool for the church. It's not the end-all be-all, and it's not meant to be. But there's no question it's been a force for good.

    Curtis Brown came to play football as someone of a different faith. He left as a member of the Church because of the great examples and support shown by his teammates. Brian Logan and Juice Quezada have all talked about what a great support the church has been to them, and they aren't members.

    Jimmermania was big for BYU, but bigger still for the Church was the Brandon Davies situation. There was a TON of positive PR from that great story of redemption.

    Not to mention all of the firesides given by the football team.

    I'd say BYU athletics does a fine job of leaving a good impression.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    @ Y Grad / Y Dad

    You raise good points. I see that my use of the word "constantly" was distracting to you. I hope that you realized that I used that word figuratively. I assure you that I sleep and do other things each day besides apologize for frequently-observed poor sportsmanship, arrogance, pride, etc. at BYU. I did hope to convey that I have had to apologize/ defend far too often. Yes, even outside of my bubble in Salt Lake City when I have travelled. Sadly, I see these unfavorable traits in many (but certainly not all) of its graduates as well, even those not affiliated with the athletics programs. I am not sure what is going on at BYU, but the arrogance of too many and other concerns are so unbecoming a university that purports to represent the church. As stated earlier, the church would be better off discontinuing athletics at BYU, as with Ricks college. I would like to see a study as to how many converts to the church BYU athletics is responsible for. If it is truly great, I wonder why the church did not try to build the Ricks program up. Best wishes.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 22, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    @ Go Utes

    I can understand some people loving all things BYU for many reasons, including what it TRIES to be.

    I can understand some people hating all things BYU for many reasons, including what it TRIES to be, but isn't.

    But I think if you are CONSTANTLY apologizing for BYU's sports teams, in Salt Lake City, then one of two things is at play: either you are the one in a bubble, surrounded to an unhealthy extent by like minded haters, or you got a lot of people really puzzled by your obsession.

    I too am as Mormon as they come, and yes, I have occasionally had to apologize or explain something incongruous about BYU athletics or it's fans behavior. More often than not, I have been pleased with the opportunities BYU athletics have given me to discuss more important things with individuals who noticed.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    @ JParkerfan

    Really? I am as LDS as they come and I find BYU sports an embarassment to the church. If you can't comprehend how some LDS are not Y fans, you really need to question some of the gross assumptions upon which you have been raised. The sooner BYU cancels its sports program, the better. Ricks had the right idea when it changed to BYU Idaho. I have constantly had to defend the church by noting that BYU and its fans by no means represents the vast majority of Mormons throughout the earth.

    Time to get out of the bubble dude. If you are judging a church by the strength of the sports program at one of the schools that it runs, it is time to rethink some things. Somehow I have a feeling that the work of the church would go forward without BYU sports. Crazy idea, I know, but just might be true.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 22, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    This is just more fallout from Riley Nelson's transfer from Utah State and the resultant "Riley Nelson Rule" the NCAA instituted. I suspect the end result is that more institutions will discourage their athletes from serving missions because of fear the BYU will poach them.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    May 22, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    Never could figure out how LDS could claim they aren't fans of BYU. If BYU does well then that is good for the church. I certainly like other college programs, but will always be a fan of the church's University.

    Hope J. Parker is smart on his college and goes somewhere that has a classy and moral coach. That pretty much narrows it down to BYU, MSU, and UNC.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    May 22, 2012 7:20 a.m.

    Jabari Parker's mission decision is nobody's business but his own - not even his family or bishop!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 22, 2012 1:17 a.m.


    You're right. Norm is a better fit for the utes. I've known him for years, and can honestly say that the utes and chow deserve each other. Doug Scoville was thw right fit for the cougs.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    May 21, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    Not every Mormon is a byu fan, and not every byu alumnus is a byu fan either.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    May 21, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    I find it ironic when a certain fan base wants to keep Parker's mission decision quiet, because at this point, it doesn't appear he's leaning towards Provo. However, they are secretely hoping/praying he'll decide to serve, because it will give Rose two extra years to recruit him.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    Would everybody please lay off Jabari Parker and his personal decision on whether to serve a mission or not. It's nobody's business and shouldn't even be the subject of speculation, particularly by newspaper reporters working for a church owned publication. He's a celebrity and I understand his life is open to scrutiny. But some things are off limits and I consider this one of them.

    On Norm Chow, I'm not sure why people are surprised. Many coaches prevent transfers from staying in conference. For Hawaii, BYU is one of its biggest games and rivals (although not reciprocated by BYU), so why would he allow him to transfer here. I don't have a problem with it, don't think it's petty, and could easily understand it if it were the other way around.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    May 21, 2012 5:49 p.m.

    Norm chow will always be a Ute at heart. When he retires at Hawaii he'll always look back on his time as a coach at Utah with fond memories.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    May 21, 2012 5:23 p.m.


    "Norm Chow was never a good fit for BYU.That's funny stuff."

    27 years and he wasn't a good fit. Ha!

    Roscoe is going to get busted by the NCAA for meaningless slogans, frumpy t-shirts, and Pop Warner-type rituals.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 21, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    Norm Chow was never a good fit for BYU. It was Doug Scoville who built the passing game for the Cougs, and if not for Edwards, Norm would have been a short term coach.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Unbelievable! The NCAA can work hard to sanction a coach for being polite, yet turn a blind eye to let Ohio State's "Tattoo Five" play in a BCS bowl game.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    Light reading, thanks. Parker's mission decision is off limits to anyone other than family and his bishop. That includes trolls and the press, your poll notwithstanding. It is very personal decision.