New York Times explores how Mitt Romney's faith reflects on his daily life

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  • Hardknocks manti, Utah
    May 23, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    I´m with you LDS. I believe both are good men who have our country´s best interest at heart. Politics is such a dirty machine, that I refuse to believe, let alone pass on, any of the vile info that is spread on BOTH sides. I will vote for the LDS guy only because that´s what I´ve always hoped I´d be able to do.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    May 23, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    LDS from Cedar City, UT wrote:

    "Once elected, however, a politicion in America must represent the majority, while protecting the minoity. Thus, Presidents tend to become more moderate and less polarized."

    Which makes me wonder why we should exchange "moderate" Obama for "moderate" Romney?

  • donn layton, UT
    May 22, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    RE: Midwest Mom, However the topic was the faith practice of a presidential candidate. I support any good man, or woman, who runs for office, regardless of their religious faith.

    True, But the problem is that Mormons now say they are Christians yet deny basic Christian beliefs.
    Creation Ex Nihlio: For in him All things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.(Col 1:16).

    Rev 12:7-9 is about demons/fallen angels, Not Jesus as the Spirit brother of Lucifer who was a created being. Ezekiel 28;13-17.

    ... the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home… Fallen angels(demons) Nothing to with pre mortal being. (Jude 1:6(NIV).

    …and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.(Ecc 12:7)

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 22, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    @m.g. scott

    I have yet to hear a single coherent answer to Paul Krugman's question as to why the current amount of debt is such a big issue for us (the biggest economy in the world with the ability to print currency)? We are nothing like Greece (who cannot print currency). Please enlighten us on how mechanically the meltdown you are so worried about will occur?

    We seem to be doing much better than Europe (check relative unemployment for example). Stimulus is beating austerity.

    The stock market (Dow) was circa 7,900 when Obama took office, now kit is circa 13,000 so obviously investors believe Obama is doing better than the previous Republican administration. Sure, we need to fix SS and Medicare, but it can be done when Republicans are willing to come to the table.

    Sorry, but Rebuplican whining about the national debt and how somehow we can be both be austere and grow is unpersuasive.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    May 22, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    To Bored to the point of THIS! 2:34 p.m. May 22, 2012

    Romney is LDS?


    He pays lip service to being LDS.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    May 22, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Romney is LDS?

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    May 22, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    Re: Ranch Hand and others.

    First of all, profits in a business are not possible without employees doing the work. You seem to think that a company can fire all of its people and still make money. It can't. What a company can do, when advised by smart Bain Capital types, is decide which people and jobs are necessary, and which ones are not. Obviously you fit into the latter category. Sorry, but that happens in life. That's why someone invented the saying that the only sure things in life are "death and taxes".

    For those of you on the fence or disappointed about Romney, remember what this election is about. Simply, whether or not we continue with Obama and the massive increase of debt, for little return, or we go with a growth direction to try and work our way out of this mess. Obama may not have started it, but he has accelerated it at an unbelievable rate. I doubt the American economy can sustain another 4 years of Obama.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 22, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    "Someone telling distortions and half-truths depends upon our own view of things"

    Many conservatives posting comments on these articles say there is no gray area. Things are either false or true, black or white--except when it comes from Romney.

    I could post examples of falsehoods/distortions from Romney but it won't get posted.

    But there are sites which try to separate truth from fiction: politifact, factcheck, snopes for example..

    I think Huntsman showed more integrity and honesty than did Romney during the primary campaign. I also think part of Ron Paul's appeal is that he doesn't pander to political forces. (though personally I consider his views to be pretty radical). Romney is no better than many politicians. His campaign can be just as ruthless, "flexible" etc. as necessary.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    May 22, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    Someone telling distortions and half-truths depends upon our own view of things and our own perception of truth. I suspect that Midwest Mom felt that Romney told half-truths and distortions because she sees things differently than he does. It does not mean he is dishonest. Many of the commenters here have presented what I consider to be half-truths and distortions because they see things differently than I do. Does that make you dishonest?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 22, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Parkesburg, PA
    Sometimes I wonder whether I not only belong to the same church as some commenters on this page do, but even if I live in the same world as them. How do two people from such similar backgrounds and beliefs come to see the world so differently? LDS from Cedar City nailed it. 9:56 a.m. May 22, 2012


    The parable of the 10 vigins was directed toward the church members.

    5 listened and had made themselves ready,
    5 did not.

    I'm Liberal, and I'm ready.

    BTW - it's not just a good story about preparing Food Storage you know --
    [which we have, and we're the only one's our ward who do I might also add].

    It's about having ALL things been made ready --
    Physically, Mentally, and Spititually.

    Bring it on.
    I'm ready.


  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    May 22, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    @ donn 9:12 a.m. May 22, 2012

    There is Christian, Biblical support to the McConkie quote you provided:

    "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations." (Isaiah 14:12)

    "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18)

    "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:7-9)

    However, the topic was the faith practice of a presidential candidate. I support any good man, or woman, who runs for office, regardless of their religious faith. We would all do well to follow the example of Jesus Christ, by finding the good in those around us. It is by working together that we accomplish good.

  • LiberalEastCoastMember Parkesburg, PA
    May 22, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Sometimes I wonder whether I not only belong to the same church as some commenters on this page do, but even if I live in the same world as them. How do two people from such similar backgrounds and beliefs come to see the world so differently? How does one candidate look like a saint and the other a sinner? LDS from Cedar City nailed it. Everything else, including this comment is just chaff.

  • donn layton, UT
    May 22, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    RE: LDS. They are both morally grounded? and focused on making life better for all of us.

    Both homosexuality and abortion are "tolerated" by the(Mormon) Church. The extent of "toleration" is growing, however very gradually. What size flip flops would you like to wear.

    Bible-believing Christians would disagree with all the above. One thing for sure Christians do not believe ,”The devil is a spirit son of God who was born in the morning of pre-existence”. Mormon Elder Bruce R. McConkie.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 22, 2012 8:52 a.m.


    The point I was trying to make (not very effectively, apparently), was that you Republicans are always touting "self reliance". Yet, you take someone being self reliant, eliminate their job to "make a profit for the investors", and throw them to the street.

    How about creating jobs instead of cutting them?

    When did Profit over People become the morality our nation chose to follow? Profit at any cost. Profit, profit, profit (i.e., greed, greed, greed - one of the 7 deadly sins, btw).

    You guys just love to throw hard-working people to the street then command them to "get a job". Well, the HAD a job. They worked for years at that job. Then, along comes people like Romney, and well, the consequences are evident; just take a look around.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 22, 2012 8:45 a.m.


    I was in management while working for the first company purchased by Bain. There were only 3 people higher than me in the company. I still have the little "trophy" thingy they made to celebrate the purchase and renaming of the company.

    Cut-throat capitalism. The "moral" way to run a company. Yep.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 22, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    I can't understand how so many church members can look the other way and even support Romney's behavior (distortions and misrepresentations) on the campaign trail. In my mind, he should be held to a higher standard than the nonmember, not a lower standard! He is certainly proving to the world that we are not different or special.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 22, 2012 12:24 a.m.

    Re:Midwest Mom


    As an LDS person, I have been very disappointed in Romney. I was hoping he would raise the tone and standards of the political discourse, but alas not.

  • Rick2009 MESA, AZ
    May 21, 2012 10:19 p.m.

    I do not understand where LDS or ranchhand are coming from. As a member of the LDS church I read in our scriptures and learn from talks by our leaders the value of self reliance and hard work. Not socialism. Obama is a socialist, he believes that the answers to all of our problems come from the government. Where in LDS theology is there any thing about following socialist ideas. Don;t bring up the United Order either that is NOT socialism either. No where, I repeat no where do any of our beliefs come near being socialist. As far as them being the same type of president, I do not get you Utah Mormons most of you don't even understand the constitution. Four more years of Obama and we are sliding down a slippery slope to faster doom..

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    May 21, 2012 7:08 p.m.

    @ LDS 4:36 p.m.

    "Romney is on the campaign trail and as such must say and do the things a candidate must to obtain support and votes."

    Representing yourself as something you are not is still bearing false witness. If a good man cannot run for office without telling lies, then a good man cannot run for office, period. The only way to change the climate in politics is to be a different kind of candidate. I stand by my earlier statement, Mr. Romney does not reflect his faith on the campaign trail. I have no expectation that he would return to the principles of his faith, if given the power he seeks.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    May 21, 2012 4:51 p.m.


    People are tolerated. Actions are not. Big difference.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    May 21, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    @MidWest Mom.
    Your comment is cause for reflection. Romney is on the campaign trail and as such must say and do the things a candidate must to obtain support and votes.

    Once elected, however, a politicion in America must represent the majority, while protecting the minoity. Thus, Presidents tend to become more moderate and less polarized.

    I believe Obama or Romney will preside as a true voice of the majority of us.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 21, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Cedar City, UT


    Amen and Amen!

    Not that 2 wrongs make a right, but they really are 2 peas from the same pod.

    To note;
    Gov. Romney has also supported Gay marriage, Romneycare, and Abortion as Governor of Massachusetts.

    I also liked the Old Mitt Romney better than the, newer, born-again, Tea-Party pandering I'm more conservative than you are, Mitt Romney.

    I may have even voted for him, if he had shown more integrity in his core beliefs.

    Liberal ideals can be compatible within ALL party plat-forms.
    No candidate or Government officer is ever held 1005 to them.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    May 21, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    Judging by our experience, when he came to Wisconsin, I would have to say that Romney's religion does not affect his daily political practice at all. Instead of reminding Wisconsinites of the historically clean and cooperative government we have had, Romney fueled the fire of governor Scott Walker's "divide and conquer" tactics by praising the class warfare that has raged in our state. For example: Romney told half-truths and falsehoods about the labor issues in Wisconsin. Romney said that Wisconsin's new voter ID law (the strictest in the nation) were to protect elections from "the other party" from engaging in their habit of voter fraud; a statement that has no factual basis. Instead of trusting in God, Romney broke the Sabbath and campaigned throughout the Sunday he was here. Romney appears to have more faith in the political process than in keeping the commandments of God. I make it a point to tell my many non-member friends not to judge our faith by the man who would be president.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    May 21, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    I'm sure we can all agree on our Faith: Both homosexuality and abortion are "tolerated" by the Church. The extent of "toleration" is growing, however very gradually.

    As Americans, we will be equally benefited by either of these men. They have their faults and strengths, as we all do. Neither will lead us astray. In the office of President, they would serve quite equally.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    May 21, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    LDS, I appreciate your respectful tone, but to suggest that Obama has equal morals as Romney is either stretching the facts or simply ignoring them.
    Abortion and same sex marriage are two enormous areas that distinguish the two.
    Their skills in business also put them on two different levels.

    Even Obama's closest religious advisers did not like his recent decision to support same sex marriage. (after 3.5 years of riding the fence)
    If anything, IMO, these two men are far apart in many ways and our votes will say a lot about what is improtant to us, our families and our faith.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    May 21, 2012 2:15 p.m.


    Friend, your comment could easily be used to discount either candidate. My point is that they are so similar. Those outside of the True Middle only see the perceived faults of one side. But in reality they would be equally effective presidents. My best to both.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    May 21, 2012 2:03 p.m.


    No not really. Both devoted family men, faithful husbands and fathers. Check. Both are morally grounded and focused on making life better for all of us. Morally grounded, yeah I guess to a point. Supporting gay marriage to me is not moral. Making life better for us all? I don't think so. Obama, is a self centered, egotistical maniac who only want's what's best for himself and what makes him look good, the guys arrogance sets me off. Is he a moderate? No, I don't think so on that either. Is he smart? Well that's still out for debate, he may be scholastically smart, but for our country, the answer is a big fat NO! Yep, neither served in the military. I say vote for the best candidate rather than party. In this case, Obama has shown nothing over the past 3 years so what makes you think it will change, it won't. So that leaves Romney, who in my own opinion (doesn't mean it's right) is the best candidate.

  • 5 Orem, UT
    May 21, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    I am not sure that you knew all about whether the comapanies you claim to have worked for were in financal distress. It is rare that a venture capitalist makes more money disecting the company than they would if the company grows. But that is only part of the issue. It is mostly the folks receiving government checks, either as an employee or as an aid receipiant who wants bigger government. Even retirees on Social Security recognize the risk to their earned benefits because of the deficit. Who better to manage the critical downsizing of the bloated government and the reduction of non earned, unsustainable benefits it pays out, then a Man who has done it before. Mitt Romney.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    May 21, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    There's not a dime's worth of difference between Romney and Obama.

    They are both devoted family men, faithful husbands and excellent fathers.

    They are both morally grounded and focused on making life better for all of us.

    They are both pragmatic moderates.

    They are both smart.

    Neither has served in the military.

    Their differences, as far as I can determine, are from their perspective on the world. Nothing more or less.

    As we members of the LDS Church prepare to vote, I'm sure we will all make the best conciencious decision. Many of us will go with Romney. Many of us will vote along with Ried.

    In the end we'll have a good president. Either will do.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    May 21, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    I'd like to see how Obama's faith reflects on his life.
    Not the one he suddenly switched to when he became president.
    What size flip flops would you like to wear today sir.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    May 21, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    Not to worry. Mitt Romney just has to be smarter than Barack Obama. No problem!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    May 21, 2012 12:33 p.m.


    You worked for two companies purchased by Bain Capital? Which two companies was that...Dominos Pizza, Dunk'in Donuts, Burger King, Sealy, The Sports Authority, Staples, Toys R' Us, or maybe it was the Weather Channel. I am curious to know what position you held for your said "two" companies. You must have been high up to understand and be privy to the financial make up of your said "two" companies. I am tired of people popping off about Bain Capital. Asset Manaegment, Financial Services is what Bain Capital is. There are hundreds and thousands of companies just like Bain out there. I have never worked for Bain or been purchased by Bain like Mr. RanchHand. But know what they do before you spout off and accuse them of losing your job. What about the upper management team that sold to Bain. How did they not sell you out? Mr. RanchHand should expound, because he was in a position of knowledge and knows all about the finances of his said "two" companies. Why did management sell you out for the Millions of $$$ Bain paid for the companies and employees. Personal responsibility? Try it!

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    May 21, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    Re: RanchHand

    I've never worked at a company that didn't have useless make work jobs. Cutting is always possible. I used to work at a company called Sportmart. They were Bain capitaled into Sports Authority. Jobs were lost, new ones were created. Life in the capitalist world goes on.

    Re: I M LDS 2

    Don't doubt it. Romney is smarter than You, Me and Sammy B put together.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 21, 2012 11:52 a.m.


    I guess it teaches someone "personal responsibility" to take the job they were working, being personally accountable for their finances, and eliminating that job.

    Yep. That's how you teach "personal responsibility".

    For what it's worth, I worked for two different companies purchased by Bain Capital. Neither one was in any financial distress when purchased, yet jobs were cut. Must make money for the buyer, not the ones doing the work.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    May 21, 2012 11:38 a.m.


    I don't think Mitt Romney is smarter than you are.

    And that is what worries me.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    @Wayne Rout
    "Mitt Romney is probably too honest to be a politician."

    Honest people don't take every position on every issue.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    May 21, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    No Fit in SG

    I grew up with anti-Mormons challenging me constantly and never had problems answering their questions. Mitt Romney is a lot smarter than I am so I am sure those questions wouldn't be a problem for him...but it would be wrong for him to allow negative people to force him into non-political discussion. There is a time and place for that, and this is not the time and place.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    May 21, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Lots in that LDS faith to question. Just brings up a can of worms. Most likely Mitt has had some difficult discussions during his life with questioning non-Mormons and found that he is unable to answer their many questions. Better for him to avoid it at all costs, which could end up with Mitt being a non-President.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    May 21, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    5, amen to that last statement!

  • 5 Orem, UT
    May 21, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    The articles have missed a very important part of his beliefs. Having served as a bishop he must have had experience with teaching self reliance, agency and personal accountability. He has been ridiculed for shutting down failing companies at Bain Capital. True Agency means that we have the potential for failure. That is life. Would we want to prevent the failure of the companies that manufactured buggy whips? Or dial phones. Mitt has had the very unpleasant experience of shutting down companies that were not competitive. Who better to be president and manage critically necessary downsizing of our bloated government.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    May 21, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    The last sentence says it all.
    But he's scared to explore that side of his life due to people not liking Mormons.
    I disagree with his move there.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    May 21, 2012 2:07 a.m.

    Mitt Romney is probably too honest to be a politician. I think he would bet a good, maybe great president, but I doubt he will have the opportunity to serve. The liberal media willdo their best to protect Obama. Further, since half the people are getting money from the government those will vote for Obama no matter what it does to the country.