You must apply knowledge to life, Elder Jensen says

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  • OnlytheCross Bakersfield, CA
    May 15, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    Joseph was many things, and if not an engma, a complex man. I don't understand his new theology or why he attacked all Christianity, but the God he introduced to the world was a polytheistic, polygamous God of another book than the Bible.

    There is much to admire of his short life, but his theology is only admired by Mormons. It is abhorant to all believers of the Bible because he altered all of the Biblical qualities declared in Isaiah 40-46. I know my opinion will never be tolerated here because attacking any aspect of Joseph's writings or life is tantamount to attacking Mohammed, who was possibly a fine family man, too.

    So the most important knowledge we can apply to our lives is what God's Word says about false prophets and "a different gospel from the one" the Apostle Paul delivered to the earliest saints.

    Denounce Joseph's polygamy, polytheism and false prophecies and "apply the knnowledge" of how another false prophet met an early death because he refused God's warning about the Angel of Light.

  • KTC John Wetumpka, AL
    May 15, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Joseph also said this: “I told them I was but a man, and they must not expect me to be perfect; if they expected perfection from me, I should expect it from them; but if they would bear with my infirmities and the infirmities of the brethren, I would likewise bear with their infirmities.”

    On another occasion, Joseph reported this incident: “I was this morning introduced to a man from the east. After hearing my name, he remarked that I was nothing but a man, indicating by this expression, that he had supposed that a person to whom the Lord should see fit to reveal His will, must be something more than a man. He seemed to have forgotten the saying that fell from the lips of St. James, that [Elijah] ‘was a man subject to like passions as we are’ [see James 5:17], yet he had such power with God, that he, in answer to his prayers, shut the heavens that they gave no rain for the space of three years and six months."

    Commenting upon this theme, President McKay once said: “[W]hen God makes the prophet He does not unmake the man.” (David O. McKay, Conference Report, April 1907, 11-12)

  • spudlydoright McCammon, Idaho
    May 14, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    I wish that more members would understand that noone called to any position in the church is perfect when they are called and that perfection does not come with the calling either. E very person, general authority or otherwise, is at the same place on their path to perfection after their calling as they were before. They need to workd it out for themselves just as we all do. When we expect everything that a GA says to be gospel truth and completely accurate we are doing them a disservice. We are told to thin, ponder, and pray about the scriptures to know of their truth; we need to do the same with the words that we hear from the podium. Let the Holy Ghost witness to each of us what is and is not correct.

  • Gracie Boise, ID
    May 14, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    To Red Corvette: To suggest something so profoundly ignorant and against rational thought and historical accuracy will get you the attention you crave, especially among those who want to crush others through the same kind of tyrannical control as your cited leaders, Jeffs and Koresh. You and they would be closer in temperament than Joseph Smith ever could. But hatred such as you promote through forums such as this must give you a sick thrill or why would you bother? Have at it, if you desire; your vitriol will be put to rest someday by the One who made Joseph Smith the first of His prophet/presidents in this dispensation. You don't get it but that doesn't negate the truth. As we sing, "Angels above us are silent notes taking of every action," and God gives you the opportunity to choose good or evil thoughts, words and actions. Enjoy your moment of pathetic fame. Joseph Smith's message of Supreme Love is apparently too threatening for you.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 14, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    Marlin Jensen is one of the very few Mormon leaders I admire.

  • Mormoncowboy Provo, Ut
    May 13, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    It is very disingenuous, and convenient, to continue talking about Joseph Smith's "imperfections" in generic terms. It trivializes the issue for those who actually have studied the specifics, and is intended to insulate those who haven't, from wanting to do so. It also creates a sense of ambiguity over what exactly we are talking about. For example, does Jensen believe that polygamy was one of those mistakes? What about treasure seeking? Was that a mistake, and if what way? Does Jensen believe that it was a con-scheme, or does he have some other reason to see it as a mistake, or perhaps he doesn't see this as one Joseph Smith's imperfections at all. The point is, the quality of the defense "Prophet's aren't perfect" largely depends on what we are talking about. After all, this notion of "perfection" is not binary. I don't expect Prophets to be perfect, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't expect a line to be drawn somewhere. So I guess what I'm getting at is, where would Jensen draw that line?