High school softball: Manti upsets San Juan in 2A title game

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  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    None of you know what a disadvantage is until you play schools that don't have to play both ways in football to the smaller 3A teams who do. Everyone in 2a now plays most players both ways including Manti. And 500 more students is a much bigger deal than 200 more students. If you look at who wins the football title in football its about 50/50 between the bigger and smaller schools in 2a, but in 3a its the bigger schools every year. Manti used to be the smallest 2a school a while back and I don't ever remember complaining when we lost to Lehi and the bigger schools back then. And Manti was competitive in 3a those 2 years especially in softball. The state needs to go to 6 classifications in everything because you guys are half right right the smaller 3a schools are the ones who are getting the shaft but not the smaller 2a schools. There's always going to be bigger and smaller in every classification no matter what.

  • bak123 ,
    May 14, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    No one is saying that Manti doesn't have a good program. They are just saying that they should be in 3A. Delta did get the shaft. They don't have an alternative school to move students to. Manti and Richfield should both be in 3A with Delta. Its the schools with 1000 kids that need to be in 4A. So Manti can't compete with schools their own size but can beat schools half their size. Big deal.

    May 14, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    Ok, so what do you say about Millard wrestling, they kick the snot out of everyone, they are one of the smallest schools in 2A, I suppose they are just lucky and there is nothing to be said about them building a program. Don't dis-credit what the kids and coaches at Manti have done, a lot of great coaching and development of players have gone into the championships.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    May 14, 2012 5:01 p.m.


    I don't see anyone complaining except you complaining about the complainers. My point is about the fact that the Manti fan is basking in the glory of the school's athletic prowess, and I just pointed out the fact about the size of the schools involved in 2A.

  • rosedawg Beaver / US, UT
    May 14, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    Remember...It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight..It's the size of the fight in the dawg.

  • rosedawg Beaver / US, UT
    May 14, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    Just to clarify...Manti did lose to 7 3A,Beat 1 4A, (Cyprus), Beat Taylorsville 5A, Lost to Hunter (5A) Syracuse (5A) Lone Peak (5A) and defeated West (5A). All the while playing the JV squad plus 4 seniors. There are several squads playing in 2A with multiple Sophomores. Is it fair that a team with many Seniors compete with those younger teams?? Absoloutely. Give the teams some credit, not because of the numbers enrolled, but the programs that exist continually to better the athletes. Cudos to the programs excelling with smaller enrollment.. (Enterprise)..And thanks to the off season people as well as Coaches that donate time and energy to help these kids compete at higher levels. Quit complaining and get involved to better the programs that exist once the season ends.

  • 2A South Fan Central, UT
    May 14, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    Manti & Richfield should not be 2A schools their 9-12 enrollments are 560 & 592. They have a huge advantage against most 2A schools in every sport. Manti never did much in any sports until they grew and were one of the biggest 2A schools. Funny thing is Delta has 589 9-12 and somehow got the shaft, they must not have buttered Cuff enought. Bottom line is Manti & Richfield should be moved back to 3A. As it has been said before Manti was 0-9 against 3A schools so it makes a huge difference to drop down a classification and win state.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    May 14, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    I wasn't specifically addressing softball as much as I was addressing the All-sports award. Manti, Richfield are at a huge advantage when competing against smaller schools in the 2A division. Enterprise and Kanab for instance have difficult time even fielding a football team and the kids have to play both ways. This isn't as big of a deal in 3A,4A, and 5A as there are more kids, so to congratulate yourself for having a borderline 3A school competing against small schools seems a little bit of a "reach."

    By the way Snow Canyons enrollment is 1050. Not exactly 3x Manti's. Put them against a school like SC with more than double the enrollment and see what they can compete in.
    Football--no, Basketball--no, Softball--no, Baseball--no, Soccer--no, Tennis--no

  • H.S.sportsfan Ephraim, UT
    May 14, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    So I guess you could say out of the 401 students at the high school, Manti had 29 girls try out for the softball team (9-12th grades). This was the largest group of girls that has tried out for the team since softball began. The coaches ended up keeping 14 freshman, which many normally would not have been kept in previous years. Manti lost 7 starters last year, so this championship win was great figuring it was a "new" team playing other than two returning starters. Being that it was a new team, it took quite a while (the majority of the year) to get these girls to play to their potential. Luckily, the team peaked at the right time. The girls were excited to beat some great teams to win the championship.

    Congrats Manti on your state championship, it was fun to watch you play a great state tournament!

  • InterestedObserver Spanish Fork, UT
    May 14, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    JParkerfan, fyi, Manti has an enrollment of 401, grades 10-12, Enterprise 179 and San Juan 297. So San Juan & Enterprise did very well based on the numbers. Manti played lots of teams this year twice there size and did very well, but they lost a good share of them.

    I peaked my own interest, Manti was 0-9 against 3A Teams, most of the 3A school would have been less than twice there size with the exception of Snow Canyon, which is 3 times the size of Manti.

    So based upon this data one might conclude SIZE does matter.

  • JParkerfan St. George, UT
    May 13, 2012 8:51 p.m.

    I would like to know what Manti's enrollment is compared to some of the smaller 2A schools. If Manticoug doesn't think that numbers matter in the smaller divisions then go ahead and pat yourself on the back for besting schools with 1/3 the enrollment.

  • MantiCoug Manti, UT
    May 12, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    Manti locked up the All-Sports award today. Football in the fall, Boys Soccer and Tennis and Girls Softball today. Manti is easily the class of 2A. Great job Templars! Let the "only because they're the biggest school in 2A" talk begin!