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  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    May 5, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    @ Flashback 9:25 a.m. May 4, 2012

    "Obama is the absolute worst president in history. Or at least in the top 3"

    Alright. You made a claim now prove it.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 4, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    I'm sick to death of hearing about Mike Crapo. He's not the savior of the world as far as the finance committee is concerned, and by the way for all you Freedomworks Bots, he has endorsed Hatch for re-election and finance comittee chair.

    By the way Obama won't win in a landslide. Remember 1980 when Carter was ahead in all of the polls? Obama doesn't have a prayer. America will wake up, even though the news media are marching in lockstep with Obama. Just like Carter in 1980. Obama is the absolute worst president in history. Or at least in the top 3.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    May 3, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    Forget the delegates. They should have let the voters select or not select Bennett in a primary. They should let the voters decide in a primary for Hatch.

    They finally got it right. Vote in the primary!

  • Cameron Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 3, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    @Mark, independent actuaries presented the legislature with a projection showing the pension fund being depleted if no changes were made. You can find it on the legislature's website in the committee reports section.

    In order to make up for the lost $6.5 billion the state would have had to added an additional $400 million to the fund every year for 25 years. That's 10% of the entire state budget, or the equivalent of not being able to hire 10,000 teachers.

    Something *had* to be done, and Dan Liljenquist was the only one with the political courage to do it. And courage to fix our entitlement debt is the very thing our Congress is lacking at the moment.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    Cameron, you claim, "Without the pension reform Dan passed there would be no pension for teachers at all. The pension fund lost $6.5 billion. Doing nothing meant bankrupting the entire fund."

    You are dead wrong.

  • The STAR Forum Coalville, UT
    May 3, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    Here's the rub. The average voter in Utah makes decisions based on news sound bites and radio ads. The GOOD delegate in Utah makes decisions based on hours of research, visiting with the candidates, and "getting to know" the philosophy behind each person.

    This process is much more involved than a poll taken over the phone. It is NOT up to the average voter, because we don't live in a democracy but a Republic. We elect delegates, and we delegate to them the responsibility for searching out the best candidates in each and every position. The process occurs because the average voter doesn't have the time or the desire to do this himself.

    We are an uneducated electorate. "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free ... it expects what never was and never will be."

    We are today living in a bread and circuses society. It will take more time and depth than a poll to decide our fate as a nation. Just accepting the status quo may be unity, but it may also be stupidity.

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  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    We have a choice, do we return a Senator for 36 to 42 years, when he himself said that 18 years was too long when he was running, or vote for someone new?

    If I thought Dan Liljenquist couldn't do the job, I would consider voting for Sen. Hatch, like I did 6 years ago.

    This time we had at least 2 challengers that I felt could do a great job and one I felt could do better. He made it to the primary, despite $6 million spent to stack the caucus and eliminate all challengers.

    Watch the debates between the candidates. They are on Youtube or the first one and voddov for the 2nd one. I believe almost anyone that does watch will realize Dan is the one to vote for.

    In 2011 at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist proposed.For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and was signed by the Governor. He did it without seniority. He has been recognized nationally for this. Vote for Dan Liljenquist.

  • didiumus Lehi, UT
    May 3, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    All party and candidate rhetoric aside, Hatch nearly did win without a primary. I was at the convention, and it was very close to the 60% mentioned. The Senator is faring much better to date than Former Senator Bennett did.

  • Cameron Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 2, 2012 11:17 p.m.

    To vote for Hatch simply because Mitt said so would have Washington, Madison, and Jefferson rolling over in their graves. Do your own homework, make up your own mind. Look at the records of the candidates. That is what American democracy is all about.

    @Winglish: Without the pension reform Dan passed there would be no pension for teachers at all. The pension fund lost $6.5 billion. Doing nothing meant bankrupting the entire fund. So something had to be done. Simply adding more money to the fund to make up for the losses meant taking 10% of the entire state budget for 25 years. That amounts to the salaries of 10,000 teachers. Public education in the state of Utah should be thanking their lucky stars we had a politician with the brains and the courage to tackle an issue as large and politically difficult as pension reform. Because without it, there'd be no pension at all.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    May 2, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    Dan Liljenquist did more to harm the quality of public education in Utah in one fell swoop than Howard Stephenson has done in a lifetime. Mr. Liljenquist wrote the bill that took away the defined benefit system from public educators. He took away the one nut that schools had left to use to recruit strong young talent: a good retirement package. The best young talent is avoiding the teaching profession in droves.

    Question, Utahns- If we want to improve education in Utah, don't we need the ability to recruit high quality job candidates? Dan Liljenquist took that option away. Is this who we want representing the state of Utah?

  • Apricot Tree Brigham City, UT
    May 2, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    Anyone who is interested in having some solid and conservative structure in standards, morals, and in state sovereignty will be voting for Mitt Romney. I support Orrin Hatch for many reasons beyond Mitt Romney's endorsement. However, that is a big piece of the puzzle for me.

    Simply wanting a new person in the Senate, claiming that Dan Liljenquist has a better chance of changing the Senate, or trying to blame the budget on Orrin Hatch is not enough.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 2, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    This point is moot. Republicans have messed up so badly in the primaries that Obama will win by a landslide. The GOP is fatally fractured & dysfunctional. Until they actually realize that, they will continue to erode.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    If you ever needed evidence that most Utahns think we live in a theocracy, this letter is it. Neither candidate have ever shown any love for any of us except for the first Tues of November then it's back to the shenanigans.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 2, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    Ah yes -
    The United GOParty of America.

    Kind of shows your priorities.....telling, isn't it.

  • Apricot Tree Brigham City, UT
    May 2, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    I agree with this letter 'United GOP.' If Orrin Hatch would have been elected, he could have put all of his time and effort into getting Mitt Romney elected. What is more important - electing Dan Liljenquist, or getting Mitt Romney in office? It appears to me that some Dan Liljenquist supporters have given up on Mitt Romney.

    There is a VERY good chance that Mitt Romney will be elected. A federal gov. controlled and very liberal America needs to stop. It is much more important that Mitt Romney gets reelected, and that we trust that Mitt Romney knows what he is doing when he endorses Orrin Hatch - than to elect Dan Liljenquist. Let Dan serve in six years - he'll be great. For now, he is not the one who will inspire change in the senate.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 2, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Two words: Scott Howell.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    Yes, party first, country second, people last.
    That explains the Republican's legislative war on women and minorities...

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 1, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    Is party unity the best excuse not to turf hatch?

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    May 1, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    Interesting letter but can't say I agree with any part of it. It seems we just can't make everyone happy. First, people are angry at the caucus system because they can't vote straight up for the Republican nominee. Now we have this guy wishing the delegates would just rubber stamp Hatch and avoid a primary. Sheesh! Maybe we should just avoid voting all together and use polling? Who ever is ahead in the polls at a certain date gets the nod. Romney endorsed Hatch because that is what candidates do - they endorse the sitting incumbent! Plus I'm sure they know each other personally. NO ONE (at least publicly) is going to endorse a challenger, especially a challenger with marginal chances of winning. I'm amazed this concept isn't obvious on its face and actually has to be explained to people. In other words, the endorsement means nothing If Liljenquist wins, Romney would be delighted - perhaps more delighted than having to work with a Senator that has been in power since Gerald Ford. Hatch should have bowed out gracefully one, two, three terms ago.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    May 1, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak

    "Why NOT try someone new. Give someone else a chance to serve."

    Like Scott Howell?

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Mitt Robme says he needs Hatch in the senate. Obama doesnt need Hatch, So,, Vote for Obama

  • Riles Midway, UT
    May 1, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    "Do the delegates not have a responsibility to follow the will of the people?"

    No, that's why they're called delegates. The average caucus voter has "delegated" to another person the responsibility of researching and voting upon the best candidate. If they have already done that before the caucus meeting, then the attendees can ask them whom they support and vote according to their answer. That's their prerogative. However, you also have to allow for the fact that Utah does not behave as a uniform, homogenous whole. There are pockets of Hatch support and there are pockets of support for a primary challenger. Who are you to decide the will of the people in Escalante, Moab, Heber, Moroni, Randolph, Brigham, or Provo? In the words of Tip O'Neil, "All politics is local".

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Hatch is as much a part of the problem in D.C. as anyone. Why should we expect anything different in Washington if we keep sending the same ones back?

    Why NOT try someone new. Give someone else a chance to serve.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    Hatch and Liljenquist need to hold a SERIES of debates, not just one. The Utah voters deserve no less. If Sen. Hatch is unwilling to do this, that's a good reason to vote against him.

  • Cameron Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 1, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    The statewide polls showing 60% support were well within the margin of error, just as the delegate polls were. So there really wasn't any dismissal of the "will of the people".

    Of note to me though, was that Hatch did an exceptional job of stacking the caucus with his supporters. Something like 80% of delegates were first timers, and a majority initially leaned towards Hatch. But something funny happened on the way to convention. The more these delegates heard Hatch and Liljenquist speak, the more time they spent asking questions and looking at records, the more they switched to leaning towards Dan.

    I encourage every Utah Republican to do the same. I'm hopeful Senator Hatch will agree to do a debate here in Utah with Dan so all of us can see them head to head and make up our own minds. I'm confident that if we do this, Dan Liljenquist will be our next Senator.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 1, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    The duties of a delegate require the delegate to research the candidates. That research includes checking the voting record of the candidate and checking whether the candidate kept his campaign promises.

    Any delegate who checked Senator Hatch's voting record would have found several red flags - serious red flags - where Senator Hatch voted against our liberties. No delegate could have voted for Mr. Hatch knowing of those votes.

    Comparing campaign promises to performance would have also kept them from voting for Mr. Hatch. Mr. Hatch has promised us that he would make a difference in Washington. Well, has he?

    Hatch has mislead us into thinking that without him Hill Air Force Base would close. Does he think that he will influence the BRAC Commission? BRAC was established so that Senators would NOT be able to put pressure on the Military when bases were evaluated.

    Those delegates who voted for Mr. Hatch did not do their duty to 'vet' him. Hatch has put his personal desires far above the needs of Utah.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    May 1, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    If Dan Liljenquist cares about the GOP he will run against Hatch and offer US the people alternatives that we need rather than the same song and dance Hatch offers. Most likely Romney will not beat Obama, so he won't be needing Senator Hatch.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    On the contrary, I think Sen. Hatch should see the handwriting on the wall and gracefully bow out. This is the first time he's been pushed into a primary. He has done good things in the past, but he's also strayed from conservatism and voted to expand the size, reach, and cost of government. It's time for him to step down. Dan Liljenquist is a smart, capable, energetic, experienced replacement, with the right principles.

    Yes, Romney has said he needs Hatch in the Senate, but he said it a while back, when it appeared that liberal Republican Olympia Snowe would become Senate Finance chair. That's no longer true. If Hatch is not there, Idaho senator Mike Crapo will be chair, and he's more conservative than Hatch (and Crapo didn't vote for TARP either). Utah will be better off with Liljenquist in the Senate.