Utah Jazz's Kevin O'Connor isn't surprised by team's success

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  • mikeberwald LYDIA, LA
    May 1, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    a few points to consider:

    the best draft pick the jazz would have got by not making the POs(losing against pheonix) is in the teens, not likely to get a huge impact player there, and the GS pick was out of their hands. KOC said there are other ways to get picks if the jazz see something they like (look at SA last year getting the 15th pick Kawhi Leonard by trading it for George Hill). That is how to get it done, not breeding a culture of losing like GS.

    David H.'s case for memo was answered by himself. he did get hurt, which made it another brilliant move by KOC. Save 10 mill. for nothing and use the trade exception for a trade.

    The math test comparison is just plain silly. You have to crawl before you can walk, and the jazz are walking faster than anyone expected.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    April 28, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    As much as everyone liked Memo he was done.. He played sparingly for the Nets and was waived by the Blazers when he was traded there. The value of the Trade Exemption is still there..

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    April 27, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    I love this year's Jazz team. I don't think there's a BUM amongst them. That being said, there are only two guys whom I hope do not return to the Jazz.

    Care to guess who they are?

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    April 27, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    I agree on bringing same people back and trying to add a piece. I was/am unhappy about letting AK and Fesenko go. I think they knew Memo was done for.

    They can beat the Spurs it will take a big effort on everybodies part and Corbin has to keep fresh people on the floor.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    April 27, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin and maninthemiddle

    Why play the game if you don't want to win?

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    April 27, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    So for Brave Sir Robin, maninthemiddle and all of those other negativists out there, are you saying Favor and Hayward aren't good enough to be all-stars? teams would kill for our young guys but of course only tanking you make fans like you happy. we don't need you. go cheer for tanking teams like the bobcats or the warriors. They will let you know how successful they have been at tanking for the last 7 years.

    Brave Sir Robin you would rather see your kid get an F than a C? that makes no sense.

    maninthemiddle So the jazz are short sighted for not tanking? So your telling me that the Warriors and Bobcats are closer to a championship than the jazz because they are tanking?

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    April 27, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin:
    When I taught fourth grade if I had an "F" student in math and that student tried and succeeded in bringing math scores up to grade average I would be very complimentary towards the efforts of both the teacher and the student. Ive been paying attention to this years substitutions by Corbin and the staff and I am really impressed with the charisma with our head coach and the team. His substitutions have kept us close in quite a few games that were only now just losses.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    April 27, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    re: David H

    We all loved Memo. He is tall but never played much like a real big man. The other reality is that his body is breaking down and his back is now chronic. The Achilles injury could have ended his career but his near non-existent vertical jump will now be even worse. We have a BIG trade exception and it will provide value. We were getting nothing from Memo in his condition. O Conner was smart.

    re:Brave Sir Robin

    Are you really that clueless about the NBA and how teams win? Comparing it to an individuals math test? We have loads of young talent. It took Stockton and Malone 4 Conference Championships before those two greats got to the Finals. Expecting playoffs from this group was a huge accomplisment in a tough conference.

    Tanking for the draft vs the experience our young guys will gain against the Spurs is a no-brainer. Your players never learn how to play in the playoffs until they play in them and the Spurs will give them a taste of how far they have to go to be good enough. Invaluable.

    Drafts are risky and take years to pan out.

  • LongTermThinker SLC, UT
    April 27, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    The Jazz are in the playoffs. They worked hard to get there. Most fans are happy with the 8th spot even if the Jazz are eliminated in the first round. However, it's worth considering the cost. If fans are asked if they wanted the Jazz to make the playoffs most would say yes.

    However, if the fans were asked if they would give up Alec Burks for the 8th spot in a one and done series, they might think differently. I hear fans say that low draft choice don't pan out, that a 14th choice is a low choice, or that a pick at 14th won't help the team advance in the playoffs. Opinions are fine, facts really are better. The Jazz have had very few picks in the 14th range. When they have, they have gotten Burks, Stockton, Malone, Dell Curry, Ronnie Brewer and Danny Schayes. None of those guys is a chump. I didn't cherry pick the draft choices.

    Do I think the Jazz should have tanked. No! It's unethical and not good long term thinking. Making the playoffs in the 8th spot cost one Alec Burks type player.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    The Jazz had some luck along the way. Injuries to CJ Miles and Earl Watson actually helped the team because they forced Corbin to play players who, in my opinion, are better players and better fits for the Jazz (Tinsley and Carroll). On the other hand, I think the injury to Howard hurt because he's a guy that plays decent defense and can get you some points.

  • chuvak21 LOGAN, UT
    April 27, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Brave Sir Robin:

    I don't think you can compare the 'success' on a math test to a basketball game. On a test you are not competing against anybody but yourself. Nothing anyone else does will alter your score while you are taking a test (unless of course you are cheating). Basketball has so many variables: injuries, back-to-back-to-back, other teams' rosters, etc. You have to account for the other teams' 'all-stars' and what not.

    So yeah, compared to everyone's expectations at the beginning of the year, the Jazz have has success even though it is not at the same level it was 10 years ago, but you have to remember that Stockton and Malone had been playing together for over 10 years by that time. For 80% of this team, it is their first year together.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    April 27, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    Should have gone to the draft. The only way the Jazz can get an all star is via the draft (no all star free agent is coming to UT, face it). Short sighted to go to the playoffs this year - it shows a complete lack of understanding of how far away from a championship you are.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 27, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    What success? The Jazz finished 15th overall in a 30-team league. I don't call that success - I call that average. What O'Connor is essentially saying is that it's success because we expected to be much worse. If my kid came home from school and said "well, I got a C in math but it's OK because I expected an F", I'm not going to congratulate him for that. So why are we congratulating the Jazz?

    I guess this is the new reality of the Jazz franchise under Greg Miller's leadership.

    The Utah Jazz: Increasing success by lowering expectations.

  • David H Layton, UT
    April 27, 2012 5:15 a.m.

    Nice article. One thing that jumped out at me is Kevin's comment about never having enough big guys. If he believes that, then why did he trade Memo? I realize it turned out that Memo's back got hurt again and he didn't play a lot this shortened season, but no one knew that at the time of the trade. On paper, he was ready to have a wonderful year. He's 6'11". To date, the Jazz still have received nothing for him in return. When the Jazz do get someone for Memo, I doubt he will be as tall or as good as Memo.