Utah Jazz: Coin toss may determine Golden State Warriors’ draft pick

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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 26, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    let's just hope golden state wins...they are up by 1 at half time...if they win...we have a higher shot of keeping it...unless golden state sold their souls to the devil so they could go top 3

    April 26, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    Okay, Geoguy first i didn't say i was an expert, i just said i understood it very well, second off, the civil war is far more expansive and more complex then the nba draft and the lottery, thus doing one report would not make anyone an expert on the civil war, but since the nba draft is much more simpler, one could become more of an expert on it then the civil war with one report, third unless you didn't read what i posted it basically says the samething as yours so you really don't need to attack me on saying i did a report in high school on the nba draft, and the lottery. The only reason i included that is because i was giving myself credibility so they could believe what i said, because a lot of people were confused on what conditions the jazz were able to get the pick this year.

    April 26, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    but to answer your question in simple terms, yes the lottery determines if we get the pick, and not their record in the regular season.

    April 26, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    breakdown of chances of keeping the pick

    with a gs win tonight we have 97.2% chance of keeping the pick(that is 100% minus the 2.8% chance of them winning the lottery as an 8th pick)

    with a gs loss tonight and coin flip win, we would have a 7.2% chance of keeping the pick(that is the percent that a team that is picking from 8-14 could jump into the top 3 , that is all their chances added up)

    if they do lose tonight, going into the coin flip toss we would have 47.2% chance of keeping the pick(calculated that they would have a 50% chance of losing, then subtracting 2.8% chance of them winning lottery as an 8th pick, but if they lose we would tack on another 50% of getting the pick, but if they win we would take off 40% chance of getting the pick).

    so the route of least resistance would just have gs win, then it would be gs lose, but also lose the coin toss, then it would be for gs to lose, win the coin toss, but have someone jump them from 8-14top3

    April 26, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    let me clarify this up, so you guys understand, i did a report in high school on the nba draft and lottery so i understand it very well.

    if gs wins tonight they currently would have the 8th pick, if they lose they would do a coin toss between gs and the nets or raptors, if gs wins they get the 7th pick, if they lose they get the 8th.

    so now the lottery comes around, they have the 8th pick, but if they get a luck of the draw and land in the top 3 it is theirs, if they don't it is ours whether it be 8 9 10 11, depends on if 3 teams below golden state gets in the lottery, ya see only the top 3 is lottery dertermined, after that 4-14 is dertermined by record.

    but if they end up going into the lottery with the 7th pick, they would get, unless at least one team below them jumps into the top 3, if that happens, they bump back to 8 9 10,

    i keep explaining in the next post.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    April 26, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    I was asking the same question. Whether it's order of finish; or the ping pong ball that determines who gets the pick. You would have thought they would have clarified that in the article. Hopefully, it's order of finish: for the Jazz's sake.

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    April 25, 2012 6:19 p.m.

    I am pretty sure that RBN is correct. It is after the lottery that matters, not before. Once the ping-pong balls are bounced around, and the final order set, if Golden State is #8 or lower, the Jazz get the pick. If they are #7 or higher, they keep the pick.

    Even if they end up at #6 after the season ends, if two lower teams get a lucky bounce and top 3 picks, pushing Golden State to a #8, the Jazz get the pick.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 25, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    @Mike W

    If before the lottery itself, Golden State is at 8 through 14 we get the pick. If the lottery ping-pong balls go the right way we could parlay that in a No. 1 pick.

    Its going to be a coin flip. We have a 50% chance of getting the #8 pick. I'm sure KOC is loading up on four leaf clovers and who knows what else.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    April 25, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    I'm also seeing varying ideas on what happens if say, the Warriors finish 8th and jump up higher in the lottery... if a pick is "top 7 protected" does that mean season ending order, or actual pick order?

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    April 25, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    RBN is correct. The Golden State pick is determined after the lottery decides positioning. If Golden State is 1-7, then they keep the pick. If the ping-pong balls land Golden State 8,9, or 10, then the Jazz will receive the pick.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    I don't think so because the Cavs and Jazz picks last year that they got from other teams probably were top 3 protected.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    I thought that draft order was determined after the lottery. So, even if Golden State finishes, for example, 8th, if they landed in the top 7 of the lottery, the Jazz wouldn't get the pick. And similarly, GS could finish 6 but end up 8th in the lottery in which case the Jazz end up with the pick this year.