Wadsworth will defy Hawaii, transfer to play football at Y.

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  • don17 Temecula, CA
    April 28, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    These kids get recruited by coaches. Parents and the student athlete decide based on agreements with the coaches. Hawaii made the change. This young man or any other should have a no penalty opportunity to transfer if the coach that recruited them or they identify with is given the heave ho by a school. The kids are being forced to play for someone that they don't like? Why? The coaches take off for more money, sun, fame or other stupid reasons but the kids can't change? Hawaii is bitter here just like all schools have gone though I am sure. Coach Chow is a really good coach but on this issue I disagree with his decision. I do wish him well this year. 11 wins would be a good start for him. As long as that one loss is BYU.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 28, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Goll its so unfair. He will be awesome and make an high effort of consistant effort.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    April 28, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    Coaches don't have to wait when they transfer to other schools, why should players? Can players block coaches from moving? I don't think so.

  • Keisels Beard Overton, NV
    April 25, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    I have one word for Wadsworth and his family: sue.

    It's time to end this kind of tyranny. I can understand having an athlete sit out and lose a year of eligibility when he transfers in order to protect athletes and schools from constant recruiting. But to pull this with a guy who has already, voluntarily, been out of school for two years? I don't care who he is or for what reason he sat out. This is wrong.

    If he really wants to play football, I think he should go to Snow or another JC for a year, then transfer to BYU. Chow will have zero say if he does that.

  • cougarcoisa LEHI, UT
    April 25, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    If you ask anyone from the islands about Norm Chow they will more than likely share a story about someone they know who was misled or intentionally lied to by "The lie'in Hawaiian." That's what he was known as out there. I know from first-hand accounts of players that he coached that he tried to talk players out of serving missions. Now blocking a player from transferring that he's never even met with, or talked to? Bottom line, Chow is always going to do what is best for Chow, which doesn't make him a bad person, just a college coach that wears out his welcome wherever he goes.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Yep, Chow is impressive. Let's see--this is a kid most schools did not want, and he's just coming off a mission, so he likely won't be ready to make significant contributions this year regardless. And Chow wants to make sure BYU won't get him? Ooooh, that evil BYU, that will benefit from the highly-sought talents of this kid!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    April 25, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Go Utes. The only advantage BYU has on kids who go on missions is the kids gets into a spiritual environment on a mission and decides he has a better chance at a similar environment at BYU. There is no proof whatsoever, that BYU contacts missionaries and encourages them to abandon their other school and come to BYU. That is a desired dream on your part. You want it so badly to be true that you have come to believe it.

    Norm Chow sure didn't worry about that at BYU. His anger towards BYU for not making him head coach is now showing. They apparently saw something in Norm Chow that was comforting to them and decided not to make him head coach.

  • Kalel1 SANDY, UT
    April 25, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    Athletes are not the only people who decide to switch to BYU following their missions. Being a missionary, for whatever reason, gives some the desire to go to BYU. I know plenty of missionaries (not athletes) that started at one school only to transfer to BYU post mission and they weren’t recruited. Just comes with the territory.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    April 24, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    Chow has very, very little class. His retirement will be permanent in 24 months. He is nothing without a head coach to hold his hand.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    April 24, 2012 9:39 p.m.


    "How did the Josh Sharp thing work out?? I could fall of the couch and average more points and rebounds next to him!!"

    I can believe the falling off the couch part, but as far as averaging more points and rebounds, not a chance!

    As a seldom-used Freshman, Josh averaged 1.2 points, 1.4 rebounds, and .4 assists per game in 7 minutes played. For a 40-min game, that works out to about 8 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 assists per game.

    Even at 1.2 ppg, Josh would have been 10th in scoring if he'd played for the Utes this season, but unlike most of Utah's players, Josh didn't abandon the team as soon as the season was over.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2012 8:45 p.m.


    "Jake Murphy chose to go to Utah."

    Only because he came home from his mission early and BYU didn't have a scholarship available for him.

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    April 24, 2012 8:39 p.m.

    Duckhunted: how sad have the Cougars fallen!! Stealing 0 star missionary from Hawaii!!How did the Josh Sharp thing work out??

    Me: Actually, BYU doesn't even know about him (per his father in the Trib article - I recommend you read it). The kid just wants to go to BYU even if he walks on. Doesn't cost BYU anything.

    And running basketball smack against BYU? I shouldn't need to explain how a Ute fan doing such a thing is quite comical. And transferring from Utah BBall these days is not news. Seems everyone is doing it.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 24, 2012 8:25 p.m.

    Obvious question: Why isn't it called the "Ben Olsen Rule"? Seriously, Ben's transfer to UCLA was a MUCH bigger deal than Nelson choosing to leave USU, and yet the NCAA responded with...nothing. "Tough luck, Cougars, but our hands are tied."

  • GD Syracuse, UT
    April 24, 2012 7:26 p.m.

    Jake Murphy chose to go to Utah.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2012 6:23 p.m.

    Red Herring

    "Why would they want to play in a BCS conference when they can play for the WAC championship every year??"

    You're just bitter that the Utes only managed TWO WAC championships in their 37 years in the WAC.

    Enjoy your 8th-place finishes in the "conference of chumpions".

    BYU fans will just have to be content with being a perennial Top 25 team.

    Top 25 Finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era
    BYU 5
    Utah 3

    Top 15 Finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    April 24, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    Chow's memory seems to be taking leave of him.

    Mine hasn't; I remember what he used to say as Assistant Head Coach.

    Oh, well, you have to make a living somehow, even if it's to eat your words.

    Ol' Norm seems quick to forget --- both BYU and the UofU.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 24, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    Go Utes!

    "I have always had a suspicion that BYU took advantage of kids on missions."


    You're just jealous that kids on missions sometimes change their minds and decide to attend BYU, rather than Utah.

    The haters love to spread their propaganda that BYU is actively recruiting/pressuring missionaries, but as with Wadsworth, it's always the missionary or the missionary's family that contacts BYU first. Even in Riley's case, BYU didn't contact Riley until AFTER he'd given permission, through his family, that he wanted BYU to contact him.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 24, 2012 5:29 p.m.


    "Why would they want to play in a BCS conference..."

    Why indeed?

    Difficult as it may seem to finite minds, playing in a "BcS" conference is not the end all, be all, of college football success.

    Comparing a johnny-come-lately program that's never won a single national award, to a program that's won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 15 National Player Awards, and been a perennial Top 25 team for four decades is something only a delusional Utah fan would try to do.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    April 24, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Many years ago some people said it was a "liability" to have returned missionaries on the BYU squad. A very experienced high school football referee told me about 1970 that BYU would never win a conference championship, let alone a national title, becuase they didn't have enough black players and because the RM's were too gentle and proper to play a game like football. (The Heisman Trophy wasn't even on the radar back rthen.) I told him he was wrong and that the maturity of married players on the team would balance out the "talented youngsters" that were into partying, girls, booze, skipping class, etc that manty schools have to absorb to get the "gifted athlete" into their program. These many years later you can see which of us was right and which point of view has changed 180 degrees after BYU rose to the top. Now they say we have an "unfair advantage." well, they can recruit RM's just like BYU does, can't they? Sour grapes, Chow!

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    April 24, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    You are spot on Duckhunter!!! BYU recruiting base is made up of kids dreaming of playing for BYU. Why would they want to play in a BCS conference when they can play for the WAC championship every year??

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    April 24, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    Wow...old wounds which appear have never healed...

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    April 24, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    Chow needs to get over himself.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 24, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    I just really enjoy the fact that so many athletes are willing to give up full ride scholarships at other universities to walk on at BYU. It just goes to show how deeply the feelings run for BYU in these athletes. It is wonderful to know there are many, many kids who dream of being a BYU athlete, and are willing to pay their own way there, and give up a free education elsewhere, to do it.

    There might not be another school in the entire country that has that enjoys that level of feeling from kids that want to be a part of it. Certainly no other school in the state has that level of commitment from so many kids.

  • will work for food Kearns, Utah
    April 24, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Sounds to me like Chow is still chewing on those sour grapes he got when he was passed over as BYU's head coach years ago.

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    April 24, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    Wow how sad have the Cougars fallen!!Stealing 0 star missionary from Hawaii!!How did the Josh Sharp thing work out?? I could fall of the couch and average more points and rebounds next to him!!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 24, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    It's clear why Chow didn't get the head coaching job.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    April 24, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    To my knowledge BYU didn't cry when Jake Murphy returned from a mission early to transfer to Utah. Jake had signed a LOI with the Cougars prior to leaving and had he served the full 24 months would have returned for the winter semester and had a scholarship waiting for him. However, when he returned early there was not a scholarship available so he transferred. I would think under those circumstances there was probably some chicanery involved.
    Also, Chow has never gotten over being passed over to replace LaVell. In hindsight it was a huge financial bonus for him since he has made far more money than had he stayed in Provo.

  • chase SL Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    Its probably because he realizes BYU plays Hawaii multiple times over the next few years.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    April 24, 2012 1:11 p.m.


    I am quite aware that in the United States of America a college cannot keep you from going on a mission. Most readers will understand that I meant that Hawaii would hold his scholarship. Given that Hawaii allowed him to do this, I can understand their position. By the way, it was the previous coach who would allow a transfer to anywhere but BYU. Chow later concurred. How much fun it is for an 18 year old is irrelevant. This is about following through on a commitment. There are sometimes consequences to changing your mind. I respect the position of these other schools. I can see their point. They are not doing this just to be mean as this article implies. See the article by Jay Drew in the Tribune for a much more informative and even handed coverage.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    April 24, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    Here's to hoping that BYU really pours it on when Hawaii comes to town this fall.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    April 24, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    And I thought Chow was classy. Ever since he left BYU, he has demonstrated a less than spectacular code of ethics.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    April 24, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    RE: Papa Smurf UTE

    If every player that BYU got off a mission has said there was no contact. All the coaches have said there is no contact. Then you have to beleave them unless you have proof. Don't you think some of these kids that transfers don't play or transfers again would have an ax to grind if BYU broke the rules. But you heard of nothing.

    RE: Max you say Hawaii allowed him to go on a mission. A school can't stop a player who wishes to serve a mission. They can say if you leave you can't come back or say you will not have any aid if you leave. The kid wanted to serve a mission while out on a mission he changed his mind on where he wished to play. Hawaii would be a fun place for a 18 or 19 year old kid. He was ready to come home and should be allowed to do so.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    April 24, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    There was an article about this in the Tribune that was MUCH more informative. This one was spun to make it appear that Hawaii was just being mean.

    I don't think that BYU does any recruiting with missionaries but after so many decide to transfer to BYU while they are on their missions I can understand why other schools believe that they do. Hawaii invested in this player and allowed him to go on a mission. It would be quite annoying to then lose the player to BYU. I can't blame Hawaii or any other school that blocks players from transferring to BYU in this kind of situation.

  • Old Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    The student athlete is being used and abused by the system. Coaches are manipulating their lives while they are free to change jobs anytime they want.

    When the headcoach leaves or is fired then every athlete that is part of the program should be able to leave as well. Freedom is always the answer!

    It is Satan's plan to keep the kids enslaved to the University against their will.

    Change the rules!

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    April 24, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    Cougar in Texas,

    They can say they followed the correct protocol all they want, and while I believe for the most part that it actually is done the right way, things can still go on behind the scenes. I am not saying that only BYU does this, the UTES have a ton of LDS players and returned missionaries and they may also talk to missionaries while they are still out and about. All I am saying is that we will never know for sure if they do talk to them or not. They can tell us they don't talk to them while on their missions until the cows come home, but that does not mean it does not happen.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    April 24, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    Giving up a scholarship to attend the Y, shows earnest desire to transfer..rules for players should be upgraded to equal rules for Coaches, like Chow in leaving the U. Without the Coach, players can still play, we still have a game...what do we have without the players?

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    April 24, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE: How do you know they do not initiate any contact at all with athletes on their missions?

    Two ways to know: First, Mendenhall has clearly laid out the conditions upon which his staff will communicate with a player from another school who is serving a mission, which are that the player or his family first contacts BYU and expresses interest in BYU. BYU will then acquire permission from the player's mission president to return the contact. Second, in each transfer case where there has been follow-up, it has been confirmed that BYU followed the aforementioned protocol.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    April 24, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    While I dont think that too much talking to players on missions goes on, I do believe it does happen on occasion. Maybe not from the head coach, but from recruiting coordinators, and other asst coaches. Players who were looked at by some teams and not offered a scholly before their missions may get a lot bigger and taller while on their mission, and families tell coaches, recruiters, etc. about their kids. The schools get interested in them again, and may start to talk to them. We will never really know what does go on.

  • lasermann Orem, UT
    April 24, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    Looks like Norm is still bitter about being passed over for the BYU Head Coaching job when LaVell retired. Grow up and show some class.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    April 24, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    I understand guys changing their minds during their missions. I don't believe BYU initiates any contact for missionaries from other schools. If that is not the case, i would be seriously dissappointed in my alma mater.

    Sounds like he is making the call to go to BYU and foot the bill. That is his right and I wish him well. I agree with the comments that it might not matter much. If he was not given an offer by BYU before his mission, is he going to be that good?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    April 24, 2012 10:53 a.m.


    How do you know they do not initiate any contact at all with athletes on their missions? Are you on the coaching staff, or a recruiter at the Y? Just because someone says that it is not heppening doesnt make it true. The Saits said there were no bountys being paid ofr years and years, sure enough there were.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Thanks Norm Chow, you've relieved my questions about why you were not considered for BYU's head coaching job. The real you shows through and explains why you were never a head coach until Hawai'i was desperate. To think that you alone can determine the life choices for another person is the height of arrogance. Yes, character matters.

  • schmed Frisco, tx
    April 24, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    What's with sour grapes Chowster?! A guy wants to transfer and they "block it" ? Sounds like a big chip on a cold Norman . - Ed

  • Jonas Denver, Colorado
    April 24, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    And Chow wanted to be our latex salesman!

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    April 24, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Inexcusable. Any time a program sees significant changes (like firing a coach) it is petty for the next guy to try and lock players into his program. Chow didn't recruit this kid. I actually thought the U of U basketball program showed a ton of class by realizing many kids recruited by the last coach wouldn't want to stay after his firing, so they allowed the transfers. Some BYU fans freaked about Olsen, but they were wrong for the same reasons - Olsen was a Crowton recruit, and he got canned, so Olsen had every right to transfer.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Mr. Chow is still bitter at BYU after all these years.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    Aren't there former BYU players playing at other schools?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 24, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    Yep Ben Olsen transfered, look what good it did him. There were other QB's at the Y that were better than him. He had such a stellar career at UCLA and now does not play in the NFL. Shucks. Chow ought to cut bait and run.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 24, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Also, schools can yank a kid's scholarship on a whim. Where is the fairness to the student? Student-athletes are being used by the schools.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    April 24, 2012 8:59 a.m.


    How old are you? BYU fans lost their minds when Ben Olson left.

    I agree though that kids should be able to transfer at a lesser cost than they currently have. If nothing else, they should change the rule to be that a player can leave without penalty if the coach leaves.

    Missionaries will want to transfer to BYU on occassion. I think in this case there was no funny business (unlike the Nelson case IMO).

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 24, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    This kid's dad needs to back off and let him do what he wants. Why wasn't he good enough to be recruited by byu to begin with?

  • jackstraw Manti, UT
    April 24, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Silent Lurker: What rules did BYU or his Father break? BYU did not contact him about transferring. He wanted to play close to home after his mission. And had his father make contact with BYU. This is allowed and how the rule is set up. Chow blocked him from transferring to BYU and getting a scholarship. Again this is allowed (but shouldn't be) If John L Smith can agree to coach at Weber State, then 4 months later leave them high and dry.... Last instead of taking a scholarship to BYU which would be against the rules as he was blocked from receiving financial aide to BYU he chose to enroll in the school him self and pay his own way. Again this is allowed and is not breaking any rules.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 24, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Sounds like cougar fans want to see an open season on other schools missionary's. This situation was set up by the Riley Nelson transfer from Utah State. BYU fans need to let this take its course and quit Ying about the rules. His father needs to quit Ying to the press and act like an adult. Just follow the rules for crying out loud.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    April 24, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Chow never complained about the "unfair" advantage when he coached at BYU. Of course what is Chow really taling about, is it unfairness or envy? I mean nobody complained when UCLA went after Ben Olsen when he was on his mission. It only seems to be "unfair" when BYU gets a player.

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    April 24, 2012 7:50 a.m.

    Hawaii has an unfair advantage when it comes to recruiting non-LDS players.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 24, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    Norm did not think this one through. There have always been and always will be LDS athletes who change their minds about playing at BYU while they are on their missions. The rules for missionaries should not be any different for them than for any other athlete who sits out a year and wants to transfer. BYU does not initiate contact with or in any way recruit athletes while they are serving a mission. However; They would not be very smart if they did not take a serious look at athletes who initiate contact with BYU and want to play there. This can only hurt Chow / Hawaii.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    April 24, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    I wish we could trade Wadsworth for Riley. Chow should not complain...BYU got the worst our of the Riley Nelson transfer.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 24, 2012 7:09 a.m.

    Student athletes need to make sure they know which schools will strictly enforce transfer rules. Decisions like this will hurt programs like Hawaii and Wisconsin in the long term. I really like Chow, but he was allowed to transfer from Utah to Hawaii before the end of his contract / agreement. Let the athletes do the same.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    April 24, 2012 7:09 a.m.

    It is not an unfair advantage for missionaries to want to attend BYU. People change over a two year period and begin to understand their own priorities. Perhaps the opportunity to live in Hawaii is an unfair advantage in some eyes.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    April 24, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    I have always had a suspicion that BYU took advantage of kids on missions. When Coach Chow, a high profile BYU assistant for 20+ years states that BYU has an advantage you kinda have to think he might have some inside information. I do not like the direction BYU is headed in right now, it seems the usual high standards and scrupulous attitude of the coaching staff is slowly fading away.

    P.S i know as a Utah fan this will seem like an attack by BYU fans but its just this one fellows opinion.

  • belgie Tualatin, OR
    April 24, 2012 6:52 a.m.

    Not a smart move by Chow. This will affect future LDS recruiting.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    April 24, 2012 6:51 a.m.

    Hawai'is visit to Provo on September 29th just got a little more interesting.

    Athletes should be able to attend any school they wish after sitting out two years while serving a mission.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 24, 2012 6:51 a.m.

    Is it true Chow said he could go to Utah or anywhere except BYU?

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    April 24, 2012 6:48 a.m.

    So will he be able to play this fall or will he have to sit out a year?

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    April 23, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    Chow is showing his true colors.