Conservatives say the media has a Mormon problem instead
Why is Hatch bringing up any Mormon problem??? Hatch is trying to stir the pot.
It's Hatch with the problem, in his attempt to stir emotion against
Democrats.This is a Hatch problem, not a Democrat problem.Hatch declared in his first campaign against Frank Moss that 18 years was too
long and after 18 years a politician was out of touch with his constituents.
With that declaration Hatch won 36 years ago. Who's out of touch now
Hatch????Hatch is attempting to create a hostility between Mormons
and Democrats. How pathetic is that????
@RivertonCougarLDSLiberal,I'm not saying you can't
be a good LDS member and a democrat. I am saying that being a democrat and being
liberal are two different things. I highly doubt President Faust was as liberal
as some democrats make him out to be.Again, I invite you to read the
talk. But there are some indicators in there that oppose some liberal
beliefs.=============== Really?I’ve read the talk,
many many times – as well as most of his others – He was very
Liberal.But even more recent….Have you read Pres. Dieter
F. Uchtdorf’s talk about “Canned Peaches”, or “You are
my Hands”, or “We are All on the Same Team”? – Ya, all
Liberal concepts and teachings.You see, you – like so many
other Utah Mormons – don’t know the definition of the word
“Liberal”. Look it up in an English dictionary, and quit using the
AM radio’s twisted version of it.You will find that the
ancient prophets, New Testament, Nephites, U.S. Founding Fathers, and early LDS
members….dare I say even God himself, is extremely Liberal.But
you have to use the proper definitions to know what I’m talking about.
atl134, that is exactly why Europe's economy is in the tank.
@Riverton Cougar, many, many Utah Democrats are not Democrats as [some] people
today think of Democrats. I invite you to read the Utah County Democrats'
platform; I think you will find it consistent with Elder Faust's talk.
@Riverton Cougar"I'm not saying you can't be a good LDS
member and a democrat."No but you're strongly suggesting
you can't be a good LDS member and a liberal, which would surprise many
European LDS members considering liberals in the US are moderates over there.
@Counter Intelligence"Does that mean Jews, gays, Catholics, women,
blacks, and minorities, crying foul should also be summarily discounted as
having a thin skin?"I find that whenever any of them do that
conservatives tend to tell them to get over it. See: any article about gay
marriage, pay disparities, disproportionate incarceration lengths...
I was always hoping Harry Reid would speak up at some point. It is amazing to me
that the media almost never mentions that Harry is LDS. It appears that they do
not want people to know this because it will reduce their ammunition against
Mitt if people also know that the Democratic Senate Majority Leader share the
same religion as the Republican presidential nominee. I am still
hopeful that Harry will do the right thing in the fall when the church is under
fire by his democratic colleagues.
LDS Liberal,Again, could you please provide dates for when Faust was
the President of the Utah Democratic Party? And then, after doing so, tell me
with a straight face that the party is the same now as it was then. I'm
not saying you can't be a good LDS member and a democrat. I am saying that
being a democrat and being liberal are two different things. If I changed party
affiliation and nothing else, I would be a democrat. However, I would still be
conservative. I highly doubt President Faust was as liberal as some democrats
make him out to be.Again, I invite you to read the talk. It's
not a political talk, and I'm sure any LDS member would enjoy it. But
there are some indicators in there that oppose some liberal beliefs.
Riverton CougarRiverton, UT"Pres. Heber J. Grant and Pres. James
E. Faust must be rolling over in their graves right now…."LDS Liberal,As for James E. Faust,....==============President of the Utah Democratic Party[You
know, THE #1 Democrat from the State - and LDS Apostle - and LDS 1st
Presidency.Believe it or not, You CAN be a good LDS member and
a Democrat, Socialist, Communist, Non-American...no matter what Elder Ezra
T. Benson said.
Joe Moe,Thank you for providing some sanity. This I hate all things
liberal or all things conservative approach has to go. It is what is ruining
this country. Personally, I would like to see the two party system go so people
would really have to consider a candidate's stance on all issues, and so
corporations or big money wouldn't have a hold on the political process, it
would be up to the people. Of course there would have to be term limits and
campaign finance reform, but thanks to the Supreme Court the Corporations, PACs,
and billionaires have the control now.Riverton Cougar,Let me respectfully point out that you may not have known Faust's
political stances unless he directly told you. Let me ask you, where are the
Eisenhowers or Teddy Roosevelts of the GOP today? I don't think Reagan
would make it through a primary today. Most of the GOP is far-rightening
today.Most LDS are overseas and don't care about
Republican/Democratic ideology. Really, I don't care to be like most
Mormons. I want to follow the values of the Gospel as I understand them and
follow my heart.
I am proud to be both a Democrat and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints. Please remember that Senator Reid is also a member of the
Democratic party and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as are many
Not all, but a good deal of Democrats, don't like religious people period.
They wouldn't vote for Santorum either based on his religious views. What
Mitt Romney needs to worry about is getting the evangelicals, which normally
turn out well and vote Republican, to vote for him in November. Focusing on
getting the votes of San Francisco liberal atheists isn't the winning
formula for Romney.
Joe Moe,Many, many women won't be voting for Mitt Romney and it
is not because of polygamy.
Romney's a Mormon?I thought he was a Republican?
"Pres. Heber J. Grant and Pres. James E. Faust must be rolling over in their
graves right now…."LDS Liberal,When was Heber
J. Grant alive? Were politics different then? As for James E. Faust, I invite
you to read his talk called "Serving the Lord and Resisting the Devil"
in the September 1995 Ensign. He was not a Democrat as people today think of
Democrats, and he certainly wasn't liberal. He was more like a Republican
in his ideologies. It's not simply black and white with
liberal/conservative, nor are all repubs/dems strictly one or the other (as Joe
Moe points out), but most LDS believe the right is more often correct.
I think most people think Mormons are weird until they get to know some. Then
they say stuff like "when I found out you were Mormon, I was surprised. You
are so normal." As for Obama, Obama's leadership,
policies, and attitudes don't sit well with me; especially his
anti-capitalism leanings, deficit spending increases, increased borrowing, naive
foreign policy campaigns, and the fact that he seems to be playing strategic
games instead of having his decisions based more on morals and deep standards.
His speeches come across as condescending like I am a child being lectured to by
a parent. That may work with a certain "please take care of me" crowd,
but for the "ask not what your country can do for you" crowd, it is a
turn-off. I guess we will find out which crowd gets more voters to show up.
Hawkyo says: "LDS Lib, you have a very skewed view of reality. your very
name is oxymoronic."As an LDS conservative, I whole-heartedly
disagree Hawkyo. There are components of the liberal agenda that are
praiseworthy, other components that are defensible (even if I personally
disagree with them), and then there are those components that are totally
wrong-headed. Wow, sounds kind of like the conservative agenda,
when I stop to think about it. I say I am "conservative" not because I
agree with all things "conservative," but because on balance that
philosophy appears to me to be more correct more often."Liberal" and "conservative" are huge categories, embracing
many things (fiscal, social, cultural, etc.). If anyone thinks that one is
perfect and the other atrocious, they are not looking very close, or thinking
very hard. And they are doing themselves and everyone else a disservice.
Tempted to play anti-Mormonism? It's an article of faith for the Dems.
Publicizing and acting indignant about Romney's theology or his great
grandfather's marriage practices while smiling about the extra-marital
affairs of Bill Clinton and John Edwards and ignoring Rev. Jeremiah Wright is
the ultimate act of hypocrisy.
LDS Lib, you have a very skewed view of reality. your very name is oxymoronic.
"(Women are) not great fans of polygamy, 86 percent were not great fans of
polygamy," Schweitzer said. "I am not alleging by any stretch that
Romney is a polygamist and approves of (the) polygamy lifestyle, but his father
was born into (a) polygamy commune in Mexico."I find it so
obnoxious when political commentators pretend to be predicting how the public
will respond to certain tidbits; when in fact, they are trying to CREATE that
response, by throwing the information out there without being willing to own it
themselves. In other words, because it would be absurd and
self-destructive to say, "I don't think women should vote for Romney
because his dad was born in a polygamy commune in Mexico," they dare not say
it but instead say things like, "Women won't be comfortable with the
fact that Romney's dad was born in polygamy commune in Mexico" (I
don't even know if that's true, and I don't care). Thus they
achieve their goal of originating the propaganda without being willing to own up
to it themselves. It is intellectual cowardice.Politicians of all
stripes use this technique. Watch for it, don't get manipulated.
Pres. Heber J. Grant and Pres. James E. Faust must be rolling over in their
graves right now….
Romney is so different from any candidate who has ever run for president in my
over 60 years of voting. Typical electioneering tricks will not work this time,
the Dems will have to find the restraint that seems so unnatural to them or they
will find they have become victims of the largest landslide victory in US
I appreciate the effort to reduce bigotry in his party. The Democrats have
repeatedly claimed they will not smear based on religion, but the left has been
attacking the Church of Jesus Christ for quite a while (especially gay
activists, even before prop8). I’m not saying Obama controls everything
done by Democrats, but if the same sort of mocking, profaning, etc were directed
towards Muslims, or others, Obama would speak out against it. I’ve
been paying attention to the numbers of hateful or misinforming anti-Mormon
articles, comments, etc, and liberals are doing far more of it than
Conservatives. The NY times ran four anti-Mormon articles in one day.They
might not realize that when they stoop to mocking, or lying about the religion
of another, then it shows that they have little to offer to improve the world.
Obama has his pastors also, but he also has the likes of O’Donnell,
Maher etc etc. Liberal anti-Mormonism generally works through the media, and
liberal activists are among the most vocal and hateful people when it comes to
@Pragmatic"Wo is me..another Mormon story and how they are so
persecuted. I swear..Mormon's oddly seem to WANT to be persecuted. They
love wallowing in it...it is so strange."---------Mormons don't claim to be persecuted today. They just don't like
non-truths being told about them. Critics cry "PERSECUTION
COMPLEX!" when Mormons justifiably correct their spins on Mormonism. We Latter-Day Saints can take criticism far more than our critics and
those who hate us. Just don't expect us to not make corrections to things
we think misrepresent us and out
Hang on--Romney's an albino zombie?
Then it tracks that Lawrence O'Donnell must be a Democrat. I love the
snarl on his face when he talks about us. Cute!
They're not going to throw Mormonism at Mitt Romney. They're going to
throw his record at Bain Capital at him. When most voters are aware that he was
responsible for Bain Capital buying up companies, shipping their jobs overseas,
and in the end, bankrupting those companies, hurting thousands of middle class
families, they're going to want to make sure he never becomes President.Remember, it was Romney himself who shied away from talking about his
faith and focused on his business record. There was plenty of discomfort from
the right about the church, but he still managed to pull off the nomination
because the anti-Romney crowd couldn't coalesce around a single
candidate.Liberals overall don't care about religion, but they
do care about religious zealots trying to infringe on their values, and I'm
not just talking about stuff like Prop 8 - I'm talking about the numbers of
Christian Conservatives who are anti-union, anti-environment, anti-Medicare,
etc, etc, even when there's nothing specific in their doctrines against
those things. You give me a Mormon Dennis Kucinich, and liberals will love him
all the same.
The only things obama has on Mitt Romney. He has to attack his religious
clothing, the founder of the religion, and that Mitt was successful and became
wealthy. If that is all of the horrible things Mitt has done, then Mitt is our
new president.obama on the other hand, has 4years of policy making
that is on the books and a record he has to defend and speak for. Which most of
the nation is not happy at all with his policies and the direction of the
nation.Just compare the two and it's obvious who the the better
I live in "the mission field," and virtually no one is talking about
Romney's personal beliefs. Utah media needs to stop promoting, dare I say
encouraging, this bias. Although I know that a lot of newspapers could be sold
by re-igniting the old persecution complex, people are a lot more tolerant of
religious differences than this article would suggest. In fact, such prejudice
is more likely to come from the far right, than the left. As for Romney's
fitness for office, his religious affiliation is only significant to me in the
ways that he does not hold to his own standards. Romney's speeches in
Wisconsin were full of inaccuracies and downright misrepresentations. Integrity
is more about acting in good faith than it is about the practice of personal
Funny, I seem to have a problem with 'Brother' Harry Reid's
The Obama campaign will not attack the LDS Church or Romney's Mormonism.
Their surrogates like Lawrence O'Donnell will. Just get used to it. They
have to do it because they have nothing else.
Everyone should be judged by his or her own actions, not by those of their
relatives, ancestors, ethnic group,or other members of their faith. The very
nature of prejudice is to pre-judge someone by thinking that if they belong to a
certain religion, or party, or ethnic group (or any grouping at all), they must
have the same characteristics as other members of that group. (And when there is
prejudice, there is usually also a more or less capricious definition of what
those characteristics are.) The only way to get the right person for the job of
President is to see that person him- or herself, rather than their ancestors,
other people in their church, etc.
"Let's remember that President Obama has had so many things hurled at
him — birth certificate questions..."Hmmm.And
when the questions were hurled at him, he dodged them, and the main stream media
helped him dodge them. I've seen the birth certificate that he finally put
on his web site. I've seen the obvious alterations that indicate that it is
a fraud. Yet the main stream media just tells everyone that it is authentic, so
most people believe it without ever looking at it. Sheeple.The
question will not go away for many of us just because many reporters keep
telling us to believe the party line.
Almost anything media writers pen is to bring attention to themselves and
promote bogus issues that sell newspapers, attract viewers or gain additional
"visits" or "likes".Americans have got to be brain
dead to not vote for Mitt Romney! Another 4 years of this current president
will destroy the nation and bankrupt the country. For the sake of
patriotism, vote Romney 2012!! (And hopefully add Rubio to the ticket!)
I do not care where Obama or Romney came from, I believe that they are both very
thoughtful and caring people. However, I do not feel that Obama can run a
country and deal with world issues and the economy. I think that he will make a
great public speaker and can make more money at that, and Romney can fix the
mess that Obama magnified when he inherited some of Bush's final dumb
things that he did.
"Others were quick to point out that Romney's great-grandfather was the
last in his family to practice polygamy, while President Barack Obama's
father was a polygamist."Facts. They can be so bothersome during
What I know is what Mitt and Ann Romney have done. They are the very antithesis
of the media's aloof creation. Aside from their great generosity in
alsmgiving, they have given of themselves, always. They care! They relate to you
and me. They are as real as real gets, and those who have been touched by a
personal experience can attest to who they truly are. Many individuals and
families have experienced their empathy and caring love through anonymous acts
of kindness. Further, their private lives are more like yours and mine than you
might imagine. They do for themselves and their family what you and I do for
ours; they do not live the life that many might expect.For the Right
Reason - Committed! Mitt and Ann Romney's commitment to this
country is heartfelt and self-evident in a sacrifice most of us would be
unwilling to make, given their station in life. Amid their comfort, they and
their family have chosen the greater good and set aside personal interest and
greater ease to serve. They live above the fray.
I think many people missed the point that LDS liberal was trying to make. The
ideology that in order to be a good Mormon you have to be Republican is some
folklore that is still passed around today, not by any official leadership, but
by the overzealous members who try and steady the arc when the Lord's
annointed leaders falter. I am liberal and LDS, but I would not try and
sanctify my views and say people are less for thinking otherwise. Democrats do not bring up religion. They prefer the clear separation between
Church and State. When candidates feel like they have to advertise their
holiness, it tends to scare most people off, but many of the GOP tries to inject
this to look more holy (like the Pharisees): Perry having a religion rally,
Huckabee being well Huckabee, W. saying he was picked by God, etc. There will be a few oddballs like O'Donnell and Maher who seemingly have
an axe to grind with the LDS religion that try and inject it into the debate,
but it will not be picked up and advanced or discussed at all. Let it go
Romney's Mormonism should be irrelevant.Besides, he has plenty
of flaws otherwise to be usurped by the counter party. Far, far, far too many
flaws.Its already too easy.
@JoeblowI think a lot of it is that democrats score better when asked
about willingness to be voting for catholics jews women blacks hispanics gays
muslims and atheists. Republicans score better with mormons and old people.
Notice how each party is more willing to vote for demographics that tend to lean
their way. 4 years ago Democrats were more wiling to vote for mormons though, I
have to think Prop 8 is responsible for flipping it.
Wo is me..another Mormon story and how they are so persecuted. I
swear..Mormon's oddly seem to WANT to be persecuted. They love wallowing
in it...it is so strange. My prediction is that Obama will not TOUCH
Romney's religeon. It wouldn't be good for them. And Democrats have
a much more "live and let live" view than Republicans do.
Great points. I've noticed the liberal media's focus on the fringe or
periphery of LDS beliefs, to make them seem extra strange or uncomfortable.
They're certainly not going to write anything that would be unifying or
reassuring in general election season! Breitbart has up a similar article to
More evidence of the looney left fight against Mormonism ......choose you this
day whom you will serve.....god or satan? Nice job Mormon Libs......voting
forobama is like voting for 1960 USSR,
"18 percent of Republicans saying they would not be willing to vote for a
Mormon as opposed to 27 percent of Democrats."I keep seeing this
stat over and over.So, does it say that Dems are more anti-Mormon
than the GOP?I doubt it.The LDS in general, are
extremely religious people. Religion is central to many (most?) faithful LDS.
I believe more so then those of other faiths.I believe that Dems in
general are less likely to vote for those that they believe to be deeply
religious regardless of the religion.But, I could be wrong.2nd point. I sincerely doubt that the Obama campaign, ie those
working for the campaign will touch the Mormon thing. Others will, just like
some on the right did during the GOP primary.But, do not confuse
ever left leaning journalist or pundit as part of the campaign.There
are those on the left and those on the right that say crazy things. That does
not make them representative of either group, and it does not elevate them to
candidate or party spokesperson.
Many of my tribe are fundamentalist Christian, and to them, "Mormon"
might as well be "Satanist." I know that's not the truth about
Mormons, but it's a real perception, that's really out there, and
mostly found within the core base of the Republican Party. The main thing
working in Romney's favor here is that many of those people, like many
Mormons, would vote for a bag of rocks if it had an (R) after its name. And many
of them are still convinced Obama is a Muslim, who are even more terrifying than
Mormons have a thin skin problem.
@LDS Liberal,How about Democrats who put Party Politics WITH
Barack Hussein Obama is too vulnerable himself on issues of "weirdness",
religion and polygamy, for him to tolerate making it an issue in the campaign.
Look at the whole "dog" thing! People who never had a large dog are
clueless about how much dogs love to catch the air stream in a moving vehicle.
But Obama wrote in his biography that his stepfather in Indonesia fed him dog
meat and promised to get him some tiger meat--so he would have been eating an
endangered species!Obama's Muslim father and Muslim stepfather,
and attending elementary school for several years in Indonesia, certainly raises
questions about the religious tenor of his upbringing. Even apart from Jeremiah
Wright, Obama does not want to make discussion of his own relgious heritage a
topic of conversation.Obama especially does not want to have people
comparing the polygamy of his own father, BHO Sr, against the polygamy a century
ago of Romney's great grandfather. Obama cannot afford to look
like a bigot by not condemning attacks on Mormons.
Yes some Democrats have a Mormon problem and some of it is understandable. Look people; all Mormons aren't bad, all Republicans aren't
bad, all Democrats aren't bad, and all Muslims aren't bad ect...No religion, corporation, government, or group of any kind taps the
market of perfection. They are all imperfect human organizations of one kind or
another. Skip the Wiki definition and the vernacular, and just see people as a
constant roller coaster of influx.
Obama's religious status is still part of the conversation with
conservatives! So why does Romney and Mormonism deserve any special hands off
treatment? I have already seen and heard several comments that Obama hates
Christian's! When he is a Christian and so is Romney! If you are running
for President of the United States, all is fair game!
Do Democrats have a Mormon problem? - article==========Uh, no I don't.I do have a few problems with my fellow Mormons.Mostly those who put Party Politics ahead of their Mormonism.
If Democrats have issues with Mormonism, they ought to take them to Harry Reid
before they take them to Mitt Romney.
I think the Prop 8 issue still impacts some liberals' view of Mormons
(since 50% of the money backing the proposition came from members of the LDS