'Bully' fights back: Hard-hitting film looks at impacts of being tormented

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  • ConcernCitizen South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Bullying is a problem in our schools but it is also a problem in our government.

    Liberals leader have adopted a bullying mentality in regard to how they deal with social and economic issues. Liberal leaders at all levels of government are displaying contempt for American citizens and American rights and freedoms granted by the constitution.

    Liberal leaders be they Presidents, Governors or Mayors and even the media are destroying this country by using threatening tactics and cynical remarks regarding another persons point of view. The problem stems from the top. Obama recently, said to congreass "Pass Immigration reform or else". Where is the spirit of cooperation?

    Government leaders are acting like gang members walking the streets, picking fights with fellow Americans.

    "Handcuffing a 7 year old boy" teaches the wrong lessons to our youth. The Intimidation and disrepect for opposing points of view by government leaders, officials and talk show hosts is destroying this country. It needs to stop!!

    We need a return to conserative values and ideals where citizens treat each other with dignity and respect. As Americans, we need to be united, not divided!

  • catcrazed Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 27, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    I think it is a shame to think that schools have not made bullying a priority. It is being handled in every school I know. We as teachers care a great deal about stopping bullying. One problem we have at our school is that some parents teach their children to hit the bully back. We cannot have that happen. It is a safety issue as well. Let's try some other strategies besides that one.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    April 23, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    A week or so ago the DN ran a companion piece on youth-on-youth bullying in LDS wards. If the Brethren are so concerned about youth retention, they need to address this issue through more proactive articles in the Ensign and the DN. As the article stated above pecking orders are part and parcel with growing up. This begs the question of whether Social Darwinism is part of the Gospel Is the Gospel and Church membership only for the popular, the hamdsome, the Alpha males and females and, those who can trace their Church membership back to the 1830s? ? I think not...

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    April 22, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    I believ that both the school and parents need to take an active role in stopping the bullies, too many lost of young life has aread happen and it needs to be stopped before it gets worse. I am a granpa and I have 3 grandchildren 1 in school right now and two that aren't. I have taught my grand son to stand up for what is right, as I did his father. I also believe that until the school plays a major role in this problem than you are just fighting a losing battle and there needs to be some pushiment to the ones doing the bulling. Everyone needs to take an active role in stoping this pratice, before more young lifes are lost. I am also a retired Law Enforcement Officer and in my last years have seen the bad result in the bulling pratices.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    April 22, 2012 1:30 a.m.

    Good to see LDS here who recognize that R-rated films which contain violence not of the gratuitous kind, such as this film, do not violate our standards but, in fact, justify them (refer to the current verbage in the Strength of Youth pamphlet). Conversely, I recently saw the unsavory PG-13 film The Vow at a theater in Pleasant Grove and was saddened to see impressionable 11 and 12 year olds in the audience. Why would anyone ever hand over to a Rating Board their agency?

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    April 21, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    The funny thing about bullies is that when they grow up they tend as adults not to be very successful or for that matter happy as they have issues and try hard to live in the past; their glory days. as such they tend to get their due in other ways. As for the kids being bullied I would take boxing and let him have it as a bully knows nothing but force and will tend to cower away when faced with force greater than his own. This film is a good thing.

    April 20, 2012 6:32 p.m.

    I have seen advertisements lately showing the film to be PG-13, so perhaps the appeal and petitions finally succeeded?

    @ahmyers - Your two points show you need to be made aware of a few things: The whole documentary was not staged, but the children simply came to accept the cameras after a while and did not care that they were there. Not even the bullies. The phenomenon is very common in documentary, reality, filmmaking. Early in the history of cinema the theory was that by putting a camera on something you changed it, but now it is known that the change is only until the self-consciousness wears off. We all know children are the least self conscious of anyone.

    Also, the suicides you feel could have been avoided during the course of this documentary did not occur during filming. They happened beforehand and their stories are weaved into the others.

    Regardless of any rating or no rating at all, I am a temple-attending Latter-day Saint and I plan to take my three sons 10, 12, and 14 to see this film. Afterwards I will still consider myself a worthy Latter-day Saint, and answer all questions "Yes."

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    April 13, 2012 9:05 p.m.

    re. ulvegaard. You're right. I was the smallest in my class and I hated bullies. But bullying seems more common now and more vicious. The trouble is that some "disorders" are politically correct and so they are acceptable. Other's aren't. But, they are all symptomatic of a very sick society. When you look at conditions in our cities, I wonder if Juarez, Mexico is a prototype for our whole society in a few years. Read the Southwick article. It will open your eyes.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    April 13, 2012 5:41 p.m.

    JSB's cited research is quite thought provoking. My guess, however, is that many people don't like the notion that many of the 'disorders' cited are actually undesirable, i.e. promiscuity; drug abuse. We live in a society where we believe that the solution to most problems is to take a pill, or request the behavior in question to be voted in as normal.

    Much of society doesn't like to be told that their particular life style is inappropriate,and to a degree this is understandable. None of us wants to be told that we could stand to make some improvements in our lives. And I realize it's not the best solution, but sometimes I wish the bullied could hit back without the fear of litigation.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    April 13, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    In several experiments with rats the following behavior patterns wrere observed:
    1. Unusual endocrine activity causing emotional disorders.
    2. More communicable disease caused by infection from fighting and rapid spread because of close association.
    3. Excessive aggression and fighting (antisocial behavior).
    4. Neglect and abandonment (even killing and cannibalization) of the young.
    5. Inappropriate sexual behavior.
    Thus when we see an increase in bullying, other forms of agression, promisquity, abortion,crime, drug use, emotional disorders, unnatural sexual behaviors, child neglect, divorce, etc. it may be attributed to the very crowded conditions in which human beings are living. Increases in these behaviors have been anticipated for over 40 years. Under these conditions, bullying is just as "natural" as homosexuality. And so is the ability of human beings to control these unhealthy impulses. For an excellent summary of this research see: Charles H. Southwick, The Ohio Journal of Science, 71 (2):65, March 1971, THE BIOLOGY AND PSYCHOLOGY OF CROWDING IN MAN AND ANIMALS

  • sanpaco Sandy, UT
    April 13, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    I don't know the facts about why it got the rating it did, but if it deserved an R rating then its the film makers who need to make the change not the MPAA.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    April 13, 2012 1:22 p.m.

    You're kidding yourself if you think bullying stops with adulthood. Just look at Rush Limbaugh.

  • ahmyers San Leandro, CA
    April 13, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    It sounds like this is a very important film and I plan to watch it and have my children watch it when they are old enough to spur thoughtful discussion.

    However, there are two things that bug me every time I've read about this.

    First, I have a hard time picturing the scene of an adult with a video camera (and likely more than one adult) nearby and kids behaving the way they are being described. My experience with bullying growing up was universally that bullies tried to hide their behavior from adults. I'm having a hard time figuring this out... either kids have gotten WAY more bold, these victims are being targeting by pretty kids who have anti-social disorders, or the action is staged (not that that would make it less important).

    Second, it bothers me a little that the footage and money generated by such a project wouldn't have been used to intervene ultimately on behalf of the kids that needed it, or needed counseling or needed schools to be more proactive. The suicides of the kids being highlighted seems like it could have been averted, given how many were aware of the problems.

  • Charlemagne Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 13, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    I heard an interesting story about a bully from a classmate at the U. There was a big muscular guy in his small hometown in Nebraska who delighted in beating up other guys.The bully however was also an epileptic. One day when the bully was beating some guy up, he had a seizure! The would be victim turned on his now helpless tormenter and proceeded to stomp the bully into a bloody pulp!I never heard what happened after that but hopefully a taste of his own medicine taught the bully a lesson.

  • Jon W. Murray, UT
    April 13, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    I view very few "R" films but as a Scoutmaster, I think I owe it to myself and my scouts to see this one.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    April 13, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    I teach in a private high school and I am going to write letters to my students parents asking for permission show show Bully, next fall. Even if the R rating isn't removed, this is a movie that must be shown to students, teacher and administrators. Spoiler Alert---I heard a crowded theatre groan in unison at the actions of some of the teachers and administrators as they inexpertly attempted to "deal" with bullying. You will see some of the stupidest adult behavior you have ever witnessed in this film. I also saw grown men crying as they left the theatre. This movie is not a depressing downer, it is a flat out challenge to adults to show some character and to quit resting behind the adages of cowards and low people, "oh, well--kid's will be kids." Remove the R rating. Bully is amazing!

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    April 13, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    Part of this is a parent problem. Parents need to teach their children how to handle a bully and also teach their children to not become a bully. Once again, the break down of the family plays a major role in this problem.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    April 13, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    I think one trivializes school administration to suggest this is not a priority in schools. It is. My kids have had extensive anti-bullying training in both states in which they've attended public school. The fact remains that it occurs because bullying is human nature--it's an option to anyone who is striving to get power. And the truth is we all crave (and need some kind of) power. The reason bullying is a serious problem today is because many children simply don't have the support from extended family and parents on how to deal with it. And school officials are often unable to combat it, due to the fact that they have no power to create real-world consequences or an impact in the lives of the bullies or the bullied. The despondency a child feels creates extremely sad consequences in the form of extreme violence either to self or just against everyone.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    April 13, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    Encouraging others to step in is the wrong to do. Look what it did for Mr. Zimmerman. Getting involved will only get you in trouble too. Let authorities handle the matter.

  • utahboni Ogden, UT
    April 13, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Both my daughter and I have been bullied. The hardest part to deal with is that most people in a position of authority side with the bullies. Bullies are seen as winners and those being bullied are seen as losers. Authority figures have a bias towards people they view as potential new leaders. Most often those at the front of the pack got there by being bullies and pushing down anyone who competes with them in any way.
    I most freqently get bullied by people who go through life on looks alone. This was true when I was in school and is still true in the workplace. When they figure out how much more intelligent I am than they are, they try to level the playing field through bullying.
    Our society sets a very high premium on winning at any cost. To reduce or eliminate bullying, it would take a major shift towards a more socialist mindset. I don't see us trending in that direction.

  • Grandpa B Kearns, UT
    April 13, 2012 5:16 a.m.

    I don't care the rating, I'm going to see it, and I urge many, many parent to see it. I'm a grandpa and my life is still scarred from the "harmless fun" my school mates had at my expense. My 12 years of public education taught me I'm a worthless Nobody, and in the 40 year since I've still to overcome it. If this moving keeps one child from the path I've led, then it will be worth it.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2012 4:46 a.m.

    Teachers and school administators in charge of discipline should be encouraged to view this film.

    It is my opinion it is a low priority in our public schools.

    Administrators who fail to enforce "anti bullying policies" should be held accountable!

    Bullying is not tolerated in adults life why is it toleratted in our schools?

    The answer "We were just playing around" should not be tolerated

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    April 12, 2012 10:45 p.m.

    I totally support this idea. We need our young people seeing this movie.