Farr released from Utah basketball team

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  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 9, 2012 12:09 p.m.


    You got me there ... Baylor really should've thumped BYU.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    April 9, 2012 10:27 a.m.


    And Baylor should of thumped BYU but they didn't. IONA was a good team on the bubble. As were many teams.

    Qwest Perfected
    "Maybe you can be proud of taking 3rd place in the WCC. lol" Third place in a conference where 3 teams make the NCAA is better then 11th place in a conference that places how many teams was that again?

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2012 10:09 a.m.


    Also, since you're so good at researching and quoting statistics, tell me how the WCC ranks in comparison with other conferences.

    Everything I have seen had them ranked below the PAC 12 - but that just can't be right because byu plays in the WCC right? Something is just not adding up.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2012 9:52 a.m.


    So now you're beating your chest about NCAA tournament appearances???

    Before Jimmer byu was only known for first round losses. That Wooden Award winner that you're so proud of won a total of 3 NCAA tournament games in his entire career at byu. His biggest accomplishment was getting his team to the sweet 16.

    If that makes you so happy, I suggest that you print a tee shirt and get a dozen or so Utah county businesses to sponsor it so you can hand it out to the mighty coug fan base.

    The stats you throw out are so impressive it almost makes it seem like byu has been a powerhouse in basketball. But of course if you look a little further, you find out that they aren't. When was the last time they were a conference champion that wasn't a shared title? The Utes even managed to win the MWC conference a few years back tied with byu and New Mexico I believe - except the Utes went on to win the conference tournamnet that year too.

    Maybe you can be proud of taking 3rd place in the WCC. lol

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 9, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    shorts -

    No I'm not saying Utah would have beat IONA ... in fact Utah would've lost to most the country including IONA. That being said, IONA's RPI was way over-inflated and BYU should have thumped them. There's a reason all the experts were shocked to see them make the tourney.
    But tell me, why are you so obsessed with Utah even though my comment had nothing to do with Utah?

  • shorts Payson, UT
    April 9, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    RE: motorbike
    You make IONA sound like a bad team. IONA beat Maryland, and St Joes. They won 25 game they lost to Prudue by One. Are you saying that Utah would of beat IONA?

  • shorts Payson, UT
    April 9, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    RE: Qwest Perfected

    You say " good team recently, but they have only won 3 NCAA tournament games in 30 or so years." You could also say BYU has won 3 NCaa Tournament games in 2 years or 4 NCAA tournament game in 3 years. If I use your static, BYU is 26 and 14 in football over utah in the past 40 years. I'm skipping the fact you have owned us in the past 10 years. It is funny how we can make things look if we try.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 8, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Wait ... a BYU fan is making fun of t-shirt slogans, and fictitious ones at that? Wow, I guess someone forgot about the band of brothers ... which disbanded one of their Heisman hopeful brothers awfully quick.
    And let's not speak of the unfulfilled quest for perfection ... especially when the rival team who didn't print the t-shirts were the ones to actually accomplish the great feat that same season.
    T-shirts? BYU definitely knows t-shirts.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 7, 2012 10:08 p.m.


    "Ute program on the rise..."

    It's almost sad to see the Ute faithful getting excited about possibly improving to double-digit win, albeit, losing seasons...


    In a few more years, the Utes might even return to the halcyon days of 2007-08.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 7, 2012 8:58 p.m.


    "Ute program on the rise..." That's a great basketball tee-shirt slogan!

    It will go about as far as your other sport slogans such as 'Ute Baseball Omaha 2012' and 'Pac 10.2 South Division Football Champs 2011'

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 7, 2012 1:34 p.m.


    "Sweet 16. Has anyone else in-state done any better?"

    That's it???

    The way Utah fans carry on, I was expecting at least a couple of Final Fours and a National Championship.

    The truth is, Utah had a nice run in the 90's, but has done precious little since their 1998 final.


    BYU 302-125(71%), 138-58(70%), 9 NCAA tournaments, 6 conference championships, 11 20+ win seasons
    Utah 236-175(57%), 107-91(54%), 6 NCAA tournaments, 5 conference championships, 6 20+ win seasons

    Interestingly, Kentucky, Utah's old nemesis, just won its first John R. Wooden (Player of the Year) Award

    BYU has two Wooden Award winners - Ainge and Fredette
    Utah has only one winner - Bogut

    Overall, BYU has done MUCH better than Utah THIS CENTURY; it's not even close.

    btw, it's been 14 years since Utah's NCAA Finals run. It was 14 years before that, that BYU won the 1984 National Championship in football.

    When are Utah fans going to stop living in the past?

    At least BYU has recent success (5 Top 25 Finishes in the last 6 years) to go along with its glorious past.

    April 7, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    "Tell me, what exactly has Utah done in basketball THIS CENTURY?"

    Sweet 16. Has anyone else in-state done any better?

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    April 7, 2012 11:51 a.m.


    Your insecurity simply shows the hollow arrogance of a fanbase that's bought into the notion that conference affiliation is the end-all-be-all of judging how good a particular team is.

    #45 BYU beat a team IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT, #40 Iona, that had a higher RPI than EVERY team in the PAC 12 except #38 California, which LOST it's opening round game to #52 South Florida, a team ranked lower than both BYU and Iona.

    btw, BYU's win wasn't a near miracle; it was simply a great comeback starting from 25 points down in the first half to cutting the deficit to 15 points at the half. Making up a 15-point deficit in the 2nd half to win 78-72 is hardly miraculous.

    Bottom line:

    BYU and Utah basketball have been heading in opposite directions for many years. While BYU has become a regular in the NCAA tournament, Utah sees a mass exodus of players every Spring because the basketball program has become so dysfunctional.

    It's laughable that a program that hasn't won an NCAA tournament game in over 7 years should be trying to minimize ANY NCAA tournament win.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 7, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    @Snack PAC

    You might want to go back and read SoonerUte's comment again.
    I'll help you out, he never said anything about BYU not getting a tournament win. He simply stated the truth which is that it took a near miracle to come back to beat IONA - IONA! - to reach the round of 64.
    Your comment shows a lot of insecurity with your need to defend the play-in game the way you continually do.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    April 7, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    "Javon Dawson, Chris Hines, George Matthews, Anthony Odunsi and Kareem Storey were also granted scholarship releases,..." along with Dijon Farr.

    Why sugarcoat it instead of just acknowledging what really happened? Coach small k booted every one of them to make room for better talent.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 7, 2012 7:02 a.m.


    Here's a simple exercise that even a Utah fan should be able to do.

    Go to the Official NCAA website at NCAA.com / sports / basketball-men / d1 and click on the "Bracket" link. Now tell me the names of the 8 teams shown in the bracket next to the First Four and First Round headings.

    btw, by your distorted "logic", #38 RPI California, listed in the same bracket as BYU and Iona, and the ONLY PAC 12 team with a higher RPI than #40 Iona and #45 BYU, didn't even play in the NCAA tournament because the Bears LOST their "play-in" game, officially making the PAC 12 a one-bid, small conference league.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2012 1:36 a.m.


    Despite the misinformation spewed ad nauseum by our jealous little friends on the hill, BYU did win a First Round game and officially finished with a 1-1 record in the 2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament, without Jimmer.

    It's funny how Utah fans whine about BYU fans living in the past, yet that's exactly what they're doing. Tell me, what exactly has Utah done in basketball THIS CENTURY?

    Since Utah's last win in the tournament:

    BYU 185-54 (77.4%), 6 NCAA tournaments, 4 wins, 4 conference championships, 7 20+ win seasons
    Utah 101-119 (45.9%), 1 NCAA tournament, 0 wins, 1 conference championship, 1 20+ win season

    BYU 11
    Utah 3

    including 10 of the last 11

    BYU leads the overall series 128-125
    BYU is tied with Utah in total NCAA tournament appearances - 27
    BYU is tied with Utah in total NCAA tournament wins this century - 4

    As far as improvement, it would be nearly impossible for the Utes not to be better next season.

    Out of 345 Division 1 basketball programs, Utah was 339th in scoring this year.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 9:02 p.m.


    A play in game is a play in game. I don't understand why that is something coug "fans" argue about. It's not only Utah fans that refer to it as such - please save me what the official website says. The cougs played a great game to come back by 25 points to beat Iona and make it to the first round.

    As far as comparing tournament appearances goes, the biggest difference is that Utah actually won games while they were there. So I do give the cougs credit for being a good team recently, but they have only won 3 NCAA tournament games in 30 or so years. Those wins can all be credited to Jimmer - who was an amazing college player. Probably the best player to ever play at the y -other than perhaps Danny Ainge. All I'm saying is be happy that your team is good because you never know how long it will last but comparing the two programs doesn't do much for you.

    The Utes will be better. They are putting together a team that is much improved than this years.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 6, 2012 8:13 p.m.


    "This-year: Cougars had to come back against Iona (Iona!) to get into the field of 64."

    Nice try, but...

    BYU was already IN THE TOURNAMENT and beat Iona in the NCAA FIRST ROUND!

    Obviously, it's been so long since the Utes played in the tournament that U didn't even know that there's no longer any such thing as a play-in game. (See official NCAA tournament record.)

    #40 Iona and #45 BYU both had a higher RPIs than EVERY team in the PAC 12 except #37 California.

    BYU has played in 6 straight NCAA tournaments, already equal to the longest NCAA tournament streak in Utah history, with a good chance of continuing that streak for many more years to come.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    April 6, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    Really, what message is this sending future recruits.

    The practice of releasing current scholarships to improve talent is exploitive of athletes that are subject to coaches and Universities keeping their promises. Florida, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Ohio State have all voiced disgust with this process.

    Huston Nut at Ole Miss defended the practice, he is now looking for work and Ole Miss is in disarray.

    This appears to be common practice in the PAC 12, USC currently has 77 football players signed with only 75 scholarships available. Not surprising to see the PAC 12 struggling to regain past greatness.

    John Wooden never did and never would release a player from his scholarship to improve team talent. He taught integrity by example.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    April 6, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    The hits just keep on coming.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 6, 2012 3:25 p.m.


    You continue to post your foolishness LOL!

    @u 90

    Go ahead and tell yourself that, but bad is bad and when you only win 6 games it really doesn't mean naymoe than winning 1 game or 7 games, it simply means you suck. But hey it sounds you you were thrilled with that win total so who am I to tell you that things could be better LOL!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Jimmer-year: Cougars were in the mix for a number one seed.
    This-year: Cougars had to come back against Iona (Iona!) to get into the field of 64.
    Next-year: Cougars rebuild after losing 3 seniors.

    On my graph chart that's called "a downward trend".

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 6, 2012 2:51 p.m.


    Yes, further down does exist. In fact other teams have proven it. To win less than six games would be considered further down.... say perhaps a team wins only 1 game, then that would be considered further down.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 6, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    re: SoonerUte "It is understandable that Cougar fans wanted Utah to keep the players from the 6 win season. As the Cougar program is headed down, they hate to see the Ute program on the rise."

    Really? Cougars headed down? You're either dreaming or not informed. We're coming off a 26 win season, an NCAA invite with 9 Freshman. The Cougs will be better next year than this year. And look who we pick up
    2012 - Tyler Haws, Ian Harward, Stephen Rogers and maybe Chris Collinsworth
    2013 - Kyle Collinsworth, Isaac Nielson
    2014 and beyond - Jordan Chatman, Nick Emery, Demarcus Harrison, TJ Haws, Jakob Hartsock

    BYU is a program that will reach 25 - 30 wins for at least the next 5 years.

    My guess - both BYU and Utah will improve their number of wins by 2 or 3 next year.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 6, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    CougFanTx, it's simple math, the Utes have to make room for all the new signees. Six or seven new guys coming in means 6-7 current guys need to leave.

    Of the group that is leaving, I thought Farr and Hines had a decent shot at making the top 8 in the rotation.... guess I was wrong

  • BacanaUte Holladay, UT
    April 6, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Now I'm no insider but it seems to me a lot of players on last years team were told flat out by the coaching staff that they would not be playing significant numbers next year. None of these players were legit D1 players let alone legit players for a power conference. Glad to see that the recruiting standards are on the rise up on the hill.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    It is understandable that Cougar fans wanted Utah to keep the players from the 6 win season. As the Cougar program is headed down, they hate to see the Ute program on the rise.

    April 6, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    CFIT, Farr has one year to play one and is not already a graduate, meaning he has to transfer down to DII, DIII or NAIA to keep playing. Th is right, as much as I hate to see him go, the forwards coming in this year vastly eclipse him in talent and experience (Dijon really hasn't been playing basketball all that long like most college players have), so finding meaningful minutes would have been tough.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    Had to happen. Talent won't come if there are no scholarships. Pretty simple.

    Unfortunate for these kids for sure but they knew what they were up against.

    Good luck.

  • Th Tooele, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    These players knew before the season began that they wouldn't sniff the floor after 2011-2012 season. Whether Farr would have been a decent role player or not, his minutes were headed towards zero!

    The only player I've been surprised about at this point was Chris Hines. The others, well, they were average JC players. They should not be playing D1 ball and especially at the level they were needed to play at. This will be the last mass exit from the program that Utah will see.

    Cedric Martin might be decent next year with less pressure and attention on him. Utah has 5 excellent players joining the program this fall, 2 that have been with the team sitting out on transfer rules, and Foster back. Utah will have length and athletes next season. Something they lacked in a big way this season.

    Utah will push for .500 or better next season. Had Foster played this year they would have made double digit wins. Not because he is such a great scorer, but because he changes multiple shots per game with his length.

    GO Utes....

  • andrewute1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    Byu fans, (and a lot of Utah fans too) have no idea what is actually going on inside the program. The quality of players that is coming in next year is much better than the players that have left this year. When you only win 6 games, changes need to be done. The players knew first hand and the beginning of the year that they may only be at Utah for one year so every one of these players are no suprise to me that they have been given a release. Utah has already brought on several very quality players for next year, and are in play for 3 more very quality Pac 12 caliber players. Givon Crump will be a Ute, mark that down, and he is a very good basketball player and will definantly push Utah into contention for postseason play next year.

    Dont be suprised to see Utah floating around .500 next year and possibly getting a CIT type bid. With how bad the past couple years have been for Utah basketball, the future is looking bright.

  • murray19 Murray, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    RE: CougFan

    He may not want to lose these players on a personal level, but on a coaching level he knew it was going to have to happen. When you are recruiting 5-7 kids to come join your program and you had only 2 seniors on last years team (with 1 coming back because of a medical redshirt) simple math tells you that more players are going to have to leave. You have to mkae your team better and upgrade the talent whereever you can. And if you didn't hear last years team wasn't very good, so really what are you losing??

  • millerdu PROVO, UT
    April 6, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    The merry go around continues!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 6, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    The mass exodus continues - three years in a row. Don't tell me Krystko wanted to lose all these players. Utes will not reach double digit wins again next year, and we will see many of this years heralded recruits heading for the exits after next season.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    April 5, 2012 11:28 p.m.

    "We really want to thank Dijon for all of his efforts this year and we wish him the best of luck in the future," Utah coach Larry Krystkowiak said in a released statement.

    As everyone knew, despite coach k's blather about working hard and never giving up, it was all just a bunch of hot air. He knew all along that most of his players would be shown the door as soon as the season was over.

    "Good luck kid, and don't let the door hit you in the fanny on the way out."

    April 5, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    DJ may be the one I'm saddest to hear about leaving, mostly because he'll be a senior this year and had some decent skills he could have added as a role player next year. He's a good defensive player, a decent range shooter, and can jump. He was a fun personality, too. Good luck to him next year and in his future.