Brad Rock: Independent status isn't BYU's long-term answer

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  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    July 30, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    A lot has changed in three months. BYU's 2013 schedule (with understanding that there is still two open spots) is right now arguably one of the toughest in the country. Fill the last two with MWC or CUSA teams and enjoy a truly impressive schedule.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    April 13, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    Thank you Brad for this article.

    Please, at least once per week, keep up the talk about us getting into a BCS conference sooner than later. Our Cougars need this as much as the fans need it.

    We need to be pro-active to get into a BCS Conference. Being passive just isn’t going to get us in. At this point, we know that we are more special than the BCS Conferences believe us to be.

    We can’t have it all our way. In trying to have everything all our way, we may end up with nothing going our way.

    Keep up the good work


  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    Oklahoma Cougar asked "please explain Longhorn TV"
    The Longhorn Network agreed to quit airing high school football on their network for six years. That was in addition to signing over all television rights to the league (as all members did). That includes new members TCU and WVU.

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    April 8, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    BYU needs to stop "discussing" and start "signing" an agreement with the BIG 12 before their recruiting and fan base goes down the tubes. Who ever is dragging their feet about hooking up with the BIG 12 is brain dead. Do what you should have done two years ago, (if its not to late), and join the BIG 12 before the BUZZ about BYU turns sour and start looking like the Cougars of the 60's and 70's. The real world of football is recruiting and a loyal fan base, both of which BYU amazingly still has. Hurry and join the BIG 12 before the program heads any further south as a result of playing weak teams for a living.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    April 7, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    I went to school at BYU and grew up a UNM fan in Albuquerque, so I sort of understand the BYU-Utah rivalry and the dynamic in the WAC/MWC through the years; however, I never have been able to comprehend the chip that Utah fans have on their shoulders about the Y. You'd think that the 54-10 win in football and the invitation to join the Pac-10/12 would speak for themselves, but there's still like this inferiority complex going on--like everything BYU is or does is supposed to be viewed through the prism of the Utah rivalry, and Ute fans can't seem to bear the fact that most BYU fans don't hate Utah with anything approaching equal intensity. This was the year I became an inveterate BYU fan, and it was ALL because I was able to watch all the Cougs' football and basketball games on television. However, it didn't prevent my rooting for Utah against Georgia Tech in the bowl game or even my rooting for the 49ers in the NFL playoffs because of Alex Smith.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    April 7, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    Just one problem with your thoughts Mr. Rock, it's not about BYU deciding to join a BCS conference. You have to get invited. An invitation has to be extended. Nobody, repeat, nobody is interested in adding Provo. Previous members of the WAC and the MWC will tell you that having BYU in a conference is miserable. They expect to be treated special and the arrogance factor is too much to handle. Throw in all the rules about Sunday play and the fact that the church's stance on social issues is extremely discriminating, you are left without anyone wanting to invite you. BYU needs to get in on the MWC/C-USA merger, as it appears that they are the only group that might be interested. Might.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 7, 2012 7:43 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    "...but the cougars blew it by believing they were desirable enough to issue all sorts of unreasonable demands."

    Yet, the Cougar Nation will try to rewrite history by claiming long and loud that they turned down the Big East.

    In fact, when they brought their high maintenance, prima donna demands to the table the Big East said, uuuhhhh... on second thought... slowing backing away.... no thanks.

  • Oklahoma Cougar Alpine, UT
    April 7, 2012 7:01 p.m.

    RE: Sooner Ute

    "Cougar fans who think it makes complete sense that BYU keep all their ESPN/BYUtv rights while the Big 12 works out its own deal for the other 11 members. That's just silly. You're either a partner or you're not."

    OK neighbor, please explain Longhorn TV.

    Do agree that Holmoe needs to approach Big 12 with a bit more humility.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    April 7, 2012 5:49 p.m.

    Colorado Springs, CO

    I really do not want to see BYU become a whipping boy for Texas and Oklahoma like Utah has become for the PAC-12 schools. The Big east allows them to stay competative and get a BCS berth each year.


    What a ridiculous attitude.

    Basically, you're saying you want the Y to be a poser... to play in the worst BCS-accredited conference so you don't have to play any of the tough teams. That way, you can beat up on the terrible teams and gain your BCS bid without having to face any real danger.

    At the same time, you're inadvertently admitting that you don't think BYU is good enough to compete with the likes of Texas and Oklahoma. As such, you don't want to be their "whipping boy."

    Is this really the attitude of BYU fans? Deathly afraid of the power programs and, thus, seeking a way around them?

    I'm shocked you actually admitted this.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 7, 2012 4:45 p.m.


    "No BCS conference wants BYU (with the possible exception of the Big East)"

    You're half right. It's true that no BCS conference wants the cougars, but that INCLUDES the Big East. The Big East wanted Boise St. Boise St. balked at the thought of all that travel, and insisted on another Western partner. It was BSU that bullied the Big East into extending the cougars an invite, but the cougars blew it by believing they were desirable enough to issue all sorts of unreasonable demands. As a result, the Big East was able to negotiate ANOTHER Western team to appease the Broncos: San Diego St.

    Now that the Big East has BSU, there is no real incentive to re-invite the cougars. And ESPECIALLY not after the manner in which the cougs burned their bridges. Air Force will likely get another go-around due to Navy's decision to join. And once the Middies are in, the Big East will be at 13 teams. Air Force would be the 14th, but if AFA declines, look to them extending offers to either Southern Mississippi or Fresno St. to balance out the conference. Not the Y.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    April 7, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    @ Mount Olympus.

    You got it right. BYU looked very shaky until they beat up on the weak opponents of November. Suddenly, I hear BYU fans claiming they were better than Utah despite losing 54-10. We have a better record they would say. it doesn't wash. The Utes had a schedule in the PAC 12. Yes, the conference was down, but not to the level of the Big Sky opponents in November for BYU.

    @ Informed Voter.

    I agree it was 'the higher ups' as you say, that "misjudged the situation". I don't know how much you place blame on Bronco or Holmoe (some is needed though). I do think the higher ups are not always as inspired as many BYU convince themselves they are. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if things work out in BYU's best interest in a year or two.

    I understand that leaving the Mountain West was needed. Even as a Ute fan, I was a little confused (to some degree) that BYU didn't leave the conference even before Utah joined the PAC 12. However, independence is a tough road to credibility vs. exposure. Something will have to give.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    April 6, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    CougMan in SD - I think you overrate the importance of BYUtv. Simply because it's free in your TV package doesn't mean you're a BYU fan.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    BYU can't survive in a conference in which it doesn't set the rules.

    Deloss Dodds already controls the rule setting function in the Big 12.

    BYU over played its hand, overestimated its value, and has isolated itself from the mainstream of college athletics and now has nowhere to go.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    April 6, 2012 7:04 p.m.

    Sports Fan from Orem- your stats and numbers and points are stunning- did you not realize that Rock's (as usual biased) list of awesome games this year included Georgia Tech. Why is the U bowl game with Georgia Tech sneered at and yet the season game with byu looked as a marquis game. And as usual, Rock can't include the U as one of the "hard games" on the schedule even after a U whooping last year and the high pre-season rating this year . Of course byu fans will bring up the Colorado game to try to feel beter about their own humiliation.

  • Deep Thoughts Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 7:03 p.m.

    One thing that doesn't seem to get mentioned when talking about BYUtv is what a boon it must be for the Communications students at BYU to have hands-on work experience in such a facility.

  • byu_num_1 Salt Lake, UT
    April 6, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    Apparently its that time of the month again.... Time to talk about BYU conference affiliation or lack thereof.

    Here is what has been and what will happen, nothing will change.

    BYU doesn't want to be in a non-BCS conference
    No BCS conference wants BYU (with the possible exception of the Big East)
    Big East and BYU can't agree on TV differences

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 6, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    I think the Sunday play thing can be dealt with just as it has been in the past, but I'm not so sure about the TV contracts. Conferences stay together by insisting all the schools hand over their television rights. BYU doesn't want to give those up for understandable reasons. That's the problem that needs to be solved.

    I get the impression that BYU is over-playing its hand in these negotiations. They think they hold all the cards which they don't. The real drama this summer is whether BYU is willing to compromise or if they keep thinking they're such a valuable "brand" that a major conference will do everything on BYU's terms.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    April 6, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    When are my fellow BYU fans going to admit that BYU is not a research institution.
    That was a key decision in not being invited to the Pac 12.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    April 6, 2012 3:35 p.m.


    You say, "The Big east allows them to stay competitive and get a BCS berth each year."

    Utah and TCU were able to get to BCS bowls, twice each, while they were conference-mates of the Cougars. Why couldn't BYU get over the hump and do it? What makes you so certain that they would be able to win the Big East "each year" if they joined that conference?

    You say, "I really do not want to see BYU become a whipping boy for Texas and Oklahoma like Utah has become for the PAC-12 schools."

    While Utah won't replace USC as the perennial power in the Southern Division of the Pac 12, there's no reason they should be the conference's "whipping boy."

    Most unbiased observers don't judge Utah's inaugural season in the Pac 12 as harshly as you do.

    Competition is about measuring yourself against quality opponents, not aspiring to sneak onto the biggest stage from the back door.

    Finally, why not try to "stay competitive" by improving your team, rather than seeking to once again be the big fish in the littlest pond available?

    The Big 12 would be a better fit.

    April 6, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    For the past year all we have heard out of Provo and the BYU AD is how independence was so great. This sentiment has been echoed by BYU fans consistently, having even gone as far as designating a day celebrating independent status. What went so wrong that BYU nation is now divided concerning independence?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 6, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    The Big lEast will not be a BCS Conference after the next evaluation period, even with Boise State added. They are not nearly as strong as the old MWC with Utah, BYU, and TCU. No way, BYU would consider the Big lEast.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    April 6, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    Here we go again.

    Homers will claim that they like Independence due to its "exposure." Yet those same homers get really excited every time even a hint of a rumor about BYU joining a conference surfaces.

    The ship has sailed and those homers are left standing on the dock. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. Uninvited and unwanted. Par for the course.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    April 6, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    I believe I am one of the few fans that likes the Big East over the Big 12 or independence. The reasons are several but I really do not want to see BYU become a whipping boy for Texas and Oklahoma like Utah has become for the PAC-12 schools. The Big east allows them to stay competative and get a BCS berth each year. Now that BSU and SDSU are in it also gives them some local rivalries. With Houston and Boise St the Big East upgraded from the likes of Syracuse and Pitt. WVU was a bad loss but BYU could make up for that. Schedules would be easier and a championship game would be fun in the Texas/NY area. granted the Big East has a ways to go on TV money but with BYU, and BSU in the mix it should improve. Another exicitng thought is a cooperation on the B-ball side with BYU making a couple trips East each year and bringing the likes of a UConn to the Marriott Center. That would be huge!! Big East should add AF and BYU, form a West and East Division and improve on where they were.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    BYU's desire for indy status and the resulting "exposure" have combined to hinder BYU's ability to be invited to a BCS conference.

    The whole "exposure" thing has given BYU the notion that late-night ESPN games and BYUtv games are the only way to get the church-owned school's "message" out to the masses. This view fails to recognize that mention of BYU is now absent from the national conversation after October 1. And while some power conferences that are looking to shore up their own relevance would love to have BYU's fan base, even conceding no-Sunday play, they know that as an indy BYU will always be available. So, those conferences can take their time about extending an invite until BYU comes off its high horse, i.e. inordinate demands to keep all their broadcast rights. In the meantime BYU's fans will get noticeably more irritated at seeing WAC leftovers scheduled at 8:00pm in late November. If they quit buying tickets and/or quit watching BYUtv, perhaps then the BYU brass might wake up.

    Here's hoping the B12 doesn't get tired of waiting.

  • Navy Chaps ORANGE PARK, FL
    April 6, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    Its funny to see the comments of all the BYU fans who think that going indy was a bad idea. Have you so quickly forgotten where we were? I guess the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. The problem is that people aren't comparing where BYU is now to where BYU was, but to where Utah is now. Utah got a sweet deal (and they deserved it and I think they will shine in the pac 12). BYU saw the writing on the wall and did a brilliant job of getting off a sinking ship. To say that BYU made a bad decision by going independent is completely insane. MWC was a mess. Despite the obstacles, BYU scored a great TV deal. It is insane how much they accomplished in such a short time. I'm not sure that independence is the best for long-term, but because of the choice to go independent BYU is now in a great position to join a conference on their terms. I've been impressed with the level-headed approach of Holmoe and his vision that is greater than just being BCS right now.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 6, 2012 11:38 a.m.


    "Utah, BSU, TCU, Hawaii and others have been able to play a couple of good teams, a few solid teams and a bunch of weak teams, go undefeated and reach a BCS game. BYU won a National Championship with the same type of schedule."

    Our little brothers most certainly did NOT win a Nat'l Championship playing that type of schedule. Back in '84, they played absolutely NO good teams, Air Force and Hawai'i, and a bunch of teams that ranged anywhere weak to pathetic. Hawai'i was the only BCS-buster that finished the season having beaten no ranked teams, and when faced with a REAL opponent [not some mediocre .500 team down to playing their 4th-string QB]. And BECAUSE they played a REAL opponent, they were exposed as the frauds they were, and only rose to their pre-Sugar Bowl heights due to playing weak SOS; like the 1984 cougs did [less the ranked bowl team].

    Hawai'i unworthily backed into the BCS just as the team down South did so likewise in backing in to their mythical, most controversial title in the history of American College Football.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    April 6, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    Leaving the mtn was reason enough to go independent. As a Cougar Fan, I am very happy to be out of that fiasco. Now we need a conference. I'm hopeful the Big 12 can be done. The Big East is weak and won't be in the BCS for long. It's sad that slowly and surely the BCS is eliminating any and all competition. The move by the Big 10 (12) and the Pac 12 shows the grand scheme of things. I only wish that BYU and Utah would have been the "package deal" the Pac 12 would have taken. Someday, the Pac 12 will regret that decision. I'm very sad that BYU vs Utah will be a thing of the past. A GREAT rivalry gone. So, I'm hoping for the Big 12 within the next year or so. Hopefully that will happen. In the mean time, it's sad to see poor November games. But September and October will be GREAT! least I can watch the Cougs on ESPN instead of regular definition mtn. That makes it worth it regardless!

  • CougMan San Diego, CA
    April 6, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    I'm a 40 year cougar die-hard now living in SD. Leaving the MTN and doing BYUtv was the best thing to happen to build the Cougar fan base. Yes, we should be in the Big 12 (but NOT the Big East). The only way to get in there, with the NO Sunday play baggage, is to bull your way in with one of two ways; 1) Be a perennial top 5 team, like Boise State has done in recent years, or 2) get your core fan base up to 1,000,000. Before BYUtv was implemented, our fan base was 710,000 (Utahs 352,000, Louisville 310,000, Boise 483,000, TCU 370,000). BYUtv has had a huge impact on bringing back the San Diego LDS viewers, and I got to believe it's had that kind of impact across the country. When those TV surveys are done again, I wouldn't be surprised if BYU IS above the 1,000,000 mark. With so few programs about that mark (only two even in the Pac 12 and four in the Big 12), THAT is how you get noticed by the BCS conferences and make it so the can't afford to NOT have you.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Snack PAC said "your quote from Barry Trammel is several months old."

    You're saying BYU's ho-hum attitude towards joining the Big 12 has changed?

    I am a Big 12 fan. I've never seen the advantage to inviting BYU other than they are independent and theoretically free of pesky exit clauses. Other than that, there are too many negatives, like television. The DNews comments are often filled with Cougar fans who think it makes complete sense that BYU keep all their ESPN/BYUtv rights while the Big 12 works out its own deal for the other 11 members. That's just silly. You're either a partner or you're not.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    April 6, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    Those involved in decisions regarding BYU's future ought to, as SoonerUte suggested, practice a little humility. They thought the major conferences would all be anxious to bring them on board. That has proven to be completely not true.

    BYU's move to the WCC for non-football sports (which I initially viewed as a blunder) has been a good thing. The Y fits the conference well.

    For football, I highly doubt any major conference will take BYU. There's clearly not enough interest. Instead, I expect them to end up in a yet-to-be organized conference made up of moderate left-over schools. They will not end up in an AQ conference. Otherwise, it would have happened by now.

    But the school's admin can continue dreaming they'll one day be part of the big leagues. And dreaming is half the fun. But, if they were humble, they'd come down to earth and gratefully accept what they're offered.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    April 6, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    Sadly, I agree that BYU has to find a conference. The Big12 is the logical best choice. Like Utah in the PAC12, BYU in the Big12 would be middle of the pack, but at least they'd have meaningful games in November. I think BYU's recruiting from the midwest and south would boosted by a Big12 affiliation.

    The Big East is a hoops conference. The football teams aren't a step up from the old 16-team WAC.

    Let's get 'er done and join the Big 12.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    @Snack Pac

    "It's laughable, but understandable, how paranoid our little brothers remain about BYU's conference affiliation."

    What's laughable is you thinking Utah fans are paranoid when we have nothing to be paranoid about ... let's try to remember that Utah's already in a BCS conference and VERY happy.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2012 10:07 a.m.


    "We all know that Politics and Bigotry is what is keeping BYU out"

    You forgot one ... ego.

  • #1 SLC Sports Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    @Utah'95; You hit the nail right on the head, but it isn't incessant TV demands that BYU is making that is keeping them out of the Big 12, but rather some of the politics with a few in LDS Church senior leadership have been the biggest stumbling block over the years have prevented BYU from moving up in league affiliation since a few do not want BYU to morph into more of a graduate/research institution and thereby further make Utah State in the same level of academic relevance as Utah Valley, Weber State or Southern Utah Universities. BYU has already significantly reduced Utah State's athletic relevance, as well as taken from them academically the higher end of the undergraduate crop of would-be students every year for nearly the past half century. There are some who have fought this notion of BYU moving up in league affiliation for over the past 20 years, but if Utah State finds its way into the MWC it might be the last piece the Cougars need to be able to give the Big 12 a green light for an invitation.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    April 6, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    The best hope is probably to go hat in hand back to the MWC. The so called Big East would be a Big Mistake for BYU. The PAC will never take BYU for political reasons. The BIGs are not going to give the Cougars any kind of TV deal. Sunday play is a big issue as well. We need to wait until there is a major change in conferences that might open the door for BYU. Until then, we can always have a weak November schedule.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    April 6, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    I believe that the BYU leadership almost always does things right, but they made a mistake when they went independent in football.

    When Utah left for the Pac 12, BYU acted too fast. They should have waited to see what would happen as the deck was shuffled, rather than declaring independence. Now, not even two seasons removed from that decision, it is obvious that football independence isn't what many of you hoped it would be.

    BYU has not negotiated well in the last few months with the Big-12 and Big East. ESPN pointed out that the Cougars are demanding TV rights that "no other college football program has." As a LDS, I understand BYU's unique status and "mission." But most non-Mormons don't, and BYU's demands come across as arrogant to many who are watching.

    BYU can't/won't consider changing their "won't play on Sunday" stance, but they should rethink their TV rights stance.

    BYU would be better served in a BCS conference. Holmoe should work hard to get into the Big 12. It's where the Cougars belong.

    Good luck, Cougars - except when you play my Utes!

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Mr Rock never said anything about money. His "slurs" of BYU slogans are cute but he seemed to forget that a major reason for not joining the Big East was the huge cut in pay BYU would have to take when they lost third tier and re-broadcast rights for BYUtv. BYUtv is a growing entity. It is not perfect yet, but it still needs to be included in school's future, not abandoned.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 6, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    My hope was that BYU would be independent for 2-4 years and take advantage of the BCS opportunity like the other mid-major teams did. Utah, BSU, TCU, Hawaii and others have been able to play a couple of good teams, a few solid teams and a bunch of weak teams, go undefeated and reach a BCS game. BYU won a National Championship with the same type of schedule. None of the above teams would have had much of a chance of getting to a BCS game if they had been playing in the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 or even a middle of the pac BCS conference.
    Not sure BYU has the elite QB talent needed to go undefeated this year but I think they will be very competitive in all their games and should have another a very good season.

    I have to say that after looking at BYU's November schedule this season, I am hoping they can get into the BIG 12 for 2013.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    April 6, 2012 8:13 a.m.


    In this age of instant gratification, it's interesting to see how grown people, who likely try to teach their children patience, display the traits they wish their children to avoid.

    There have been some insightful comments on the topic, some not so much. Rock was having a slow day trying to meet his column deadline. I didn't read anything new. But I might have missed it.

    In the midst of Big Ten country, I am extremely grateful to have BYU football to watch almost every week to counter the Big Ten frenzy I see (and actually like sometimes). But my heart belongs to the Cougars.

    Patience. Nothing is as constant as change.

  • #1 SLC Sports Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    If BYU is going to be serious about their athletic programs and playing on the stage many of their fans have sought for years, then it is time as well that perhaps they become more of the advanced "research" degree supporting school they have been more than capable of? It seems senior leaders have debated this for a long time, and now perhaps athletics are bringing it to a head. But if BYU were to become a larger research as opposed to teaching institution wouldn't that further diminish the relevance of Utah State University both academically as well as athltetically? It seems that's been going on for the past half century now, yet some have held out hope that they could bring the Aggies back to life should they hold the Cougars back.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 6, 2012 6:36 a.m.


    Nice try, but your quote from Barry Trammel is several months old and anyone who's paid any attention at all to conference realignment knows how attitudes and opinions on which teams are "in" and which teams are "out" changes almost daily.

    It's laughable, but understandable, how paranoid our little brothers remain about BYU's conference affiliation.

  • Johnny Moser Thayne, WY
    April 6, 2012 3:52 a.m.

    When Independence was announced I was looking forward to Army, Navy, and Notre Dame in November. Now those guys are mostly running for the exits on Independence and I don't see a November schedule as an Independent that is any better than being in a Ute-less WAC/MWC. November has only really had the UTE game and has been ho-hum otherwise.
    The conundrum is things as an independent are better than anything BYU has ever had, conferences are always trying to make the box smaller for its affiliated members (have-nots complaining about the haves and trying to make everyone happy isn't easy - so pretty much everyone is miserable). Unless BYU gets into the Big12 the prospects aren't good. I will miss the good games in November but I have to remember we never had them anyway, except for one. Might be that was what made the rivalry in the first place.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    April 6, 2012 3:19 a.m.

    Look....Why doesn't BYU just pay their way into a BCS Conference? If Money is all these Conferences care about, then let Money do all the talking for BYU. We all know that Politics and Bigotry is what is keeping BYU out. BYU is one of only a few that can Financially back their own destiny. Get it done, and lets move on from this Independence fiasco. Work out a deal so BYU can still utilize their broadcasting building, and get this done!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 6, 2012 1:25 a.m.

    One year almost completed and I hear complaints already? Big 12 would be smart if they allow BYUtv to broacast live worldwide. Why join the BIG LEAST? Sure November is boring time of the year and we didn't start out some cupcakes games in September. So, just stay put for a little longer with Ind.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2012 12:42 a.m.

    BYUtv is good but not great. they have a very limited lineup of shows and then they repeat them an inordinate number of times!

    byu should think of the paying fans and how many they lose by playing 8pm games in October/November vs. the very few (in comparison) who tune in around the world.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    April 6, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    Well, it has only taken a little over a year for the Cougars to finally start to admit that going independent was not the best idea. After throwing the rest of the programs to the wind, the AD is finally starting to understand reality. This independent thing should have been thought through alot more before they jumped. Remember, always time to do it over, never time to do it right - BYU moto.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    April 5, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    Being an out-of-state BYU fan, having the Cougars be independent and watching the games on ESPN or BYUTV definitely beat having to pay extra each month for the Mountain Channel. Whichever direction the BYU administration decides to go, I hope it doesn't limit TV access to BYU Sports the way it was before. A deal with a BCS Conference needs to include full use of BYUTV and hopefully continuous exposure through ESPN.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    Barry Trammel, an Oklahoma newswriter, WAS a supporter of adding BYU to the Big 12. But he recently wrote about BYU's apparent attitude towards joining the Big 12 "I think that makes BYU a longshot. I think the Big 12 enjoyed the jubilation we saw in Fort Worth and Morgantown over TCU and West Virginia joining the conference. I don’t think the Big 12 wants someone who is lukewarm about the conference."

    Passing on the Big East didn't help. Look how Brad Rock phrases it " worst, the Big East".

    That's great to think of yourselves as "the Notre Dame of the West", but things aren't looking good for the Irish. The Sporting News recently wrote about Notre Dame not getting special considerations in revising the BCS. If it's harder for them to get BCS money all to themselves, they may finally join a conference.

    If they want to be included in a conference, the Cougars should try a combination of humility and excitement.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:17 p.m.

    Molehill Oly

    "Play a Tulsa type team in bowl, and win in a close one.

    Extremely boring. Join a conference!"

    Final Sagarin Ratings
    #34 BYU
    #35 Tulsa (BYU's bowl opponent)

    #39 Utah
    #56 Georgia Tech (Utah's bowl opponent)

    BOTH non-AQ partipants in the Armed Forces Bowl finished higher than either AQ-conference participant in the Sun Bowl.

    Get over your short-sighted conference arrogance. It's laughable how quickly Utah fans have switched from whining about not being given a chance to play for a national championship in 2004 and 2008, but now claim that conference affiliation is all that matters.

    btw, wasn't Utah destroyed in the Las Vegas Bowl by a WAC team?

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:16 p.m.

    Whatever the future of BYU football brings, things are much better now than they were under the tyranny of the MTN.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    April 5, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    Independence isn't a long term solution, but it was worth it short term to escape The Mtn, which, incidently is going out of business, as most suspected it would as soon as BYU left the MWC.

    Except for a few years when we lived on the East Coast, I've been a season ticket holder since Cougar Stadium was expanded, just in time to leave the student section. I now attend games with my son who was only a few months old when he and I attended our first bowl game - the Miracle Bowl.

    BYU fans who complain about the scheduling difficulties of being an Independent need to wake up and be grateful that BYU no longer has to put up with the ineptness that is Hair Thompson.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    Now that you're not renewing your ticket order your no longer have to worry about keeping up the image of being an avid fan. Instead you can just pretend to be interested like your neighbors who grab a red shirt and think they are now in the club.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    Ya think?

    Go Utes!

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:18 p.m.

    Today I told the ticket office I was not renewing my season tickets. Last year I thought the powers that be thought they did not need a conference affiliation believing TV exposure was more important. If I was right, they discounted the importance of paying fans. Now it appears it is realized they dearly need a conference. If there are any more 8:00PM games, I will watch them on TV. I do not blame Holmoe or Bronco...I think the higher ups misjudged the situation and took fans for granted. I have been an avid BYU football fan for over 30 years.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    April 5, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    Same old story.

    BYU will struggle through September and October when they play some decent teams.

    In November, after beating Idaho, San Jose State, and New Mexico state they will think they have a great team.

    Play a Tulsa type team in bowl, and win in a close one.

    Extremely boring. Join a conference!