What does social Darwinism mean to Obama?

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  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    It is interesting to read the diametrically opposed opinions offered by Tabuno and Mountainman. They pretty much sum up the general arguments characterizing the economic/social models of Socialism/Communism versus Capitalism and free enterprise.

    I'd say enough time has passed during which various forms of these two models have been practiced to allow us to make some comparative analysis and perhaps, hopefully, an objective, empirically based conclusion as to which is better.

    Since virtually all societies are, by the mere fact that they have some level of coercive taxation, socialistic, I'll pose a continuum from extreme socialism of Communism, where personal property is practically ignored, if not forbidden, to the least socialistic being relatively unfettered Capitalism where personal property is an enshrined right.

    If we take only two examples of those extremes I think it will be easy to see, in term of the objective reality of the lives lived in those places, which one would be preferable.

    I suggest N. Korea as the best example of extreme socialism and, if only because it's most familiar to most of the readers, the U.S. on the opposite extreme.

    Which do you think is best?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 5, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    @ Tabuno. Baloney! It isn’t “big business” that got us into a $16 trillion debt, It’s big government that accomplished that! It’s not big business that comes and confiscates your property with exorbitant taxes, its big government that does that! Its not big business that robs people of their liberties, its always big government that does that! Our wise founding fathers knew the enemy of freedom and liberty is big government not big business so they crafted a magnificent constitution to LIMIT the power of big government. Capitalism has produced the highest standards of living and the most productive society the world has ever seen! Redistribution and socialism has produced nothing but equal poverty where ever it has been tried! Karl Marx was totally wrong and his economic philosophy has lead to big government murdering millions of its citizens, the gulags, hunger, famine and pestilence where ever it has taken hold! If you don’t like big business, don’t buy their products! Give up your car, your food, your clothing, your medicines, your electricity and produce your own! Your enemy is not big business, its big government!

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    April 5, 2012 2:06 a.m.

    Today is a lot different than when our forefathers; when America had unlimited resources, when most people had direct access to the food and supplies needed build their own house, where most people could grow their own food. Government wasn't a source for support. There were churches and neighbors. But jump forward 200 or more years and society has changed. Most Americans depend on their survival on corporations and businesses that seek to reap the greatest profit from the labors of the vast majority of Americans. Instead, Americans are at the mercy of rich corporations that are able to take massive tax breaks, receive tax subsidies, pay little in the way of corporate taxes and still control the amount it takes from Americans through setting of prices and limiting supplies. Without the role of government to ensure a level playing field, Americans would be completely at the mercy of businesses charging exorbitant prices as Americans have little control in many industrial cartels, especially in health care and energy. As the rich get richer with deregulation and less government, more Americans fall out of the middle class, becoming laborers who cannot afford to live without government help and government regulations.