Obama's health law must be repealed

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  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    March 29, 2012 1:34 a.m.

    Oh, I get it. If the mandate is a Republican idea (which it is), it makes sense, it's good government. But if it's a Democrat advocating for it, it's socialism, tyranny, and unconstitutional.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2012 9:27 p.m.

    Considering obamacare will increase average premiums by 2100 from UNbiased reports, doing NOTHING is better until we can think of something better.

    Great job Hatch!

    Keep up the good work!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    March 28, 2012 5:52 p.m.

    I thought Orrin Hatch was against legislating from the bench. This law was passed by a majority in the House and Senate and signed by the President. Now you're running to the courts to get the result you couldn't get in Congress? I thought you were against such things.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 28, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    It is funny to read the usual liberal commentors. Nearly every one of them has expressed a desire for MORE government and MORE regulation as a means to lower insurance costs.

    Unfortunately more government and more regulation only drive up the cost of insurance. Just look at how much insurance has incrased over the past 30 years, now when you look at a graph of the number of mandates on insurance programs over the same 30 years, you find that we have gone from under 400 mandates in 1980 to 2268 in 2011. Who do you think pays for all of those mandates? The insurance companies don't because they have razor thin profit margins.

    To "Cameron" government also ranks first in healthcare money lost to fraud. They lose as much money to fraud as the private insurance companies do, but only insure 1/2 as many people.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 28, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    I can find fault without problems. No MBA needed. No Law Degree needed. Even my youngest child can point out when things aren't working right.

    What we need is bright people who know how to fix things. If there are problems with Obama/Romneycare - fix them. Repealign tosses out many very positive aspects, existing conditions coverage not being the least of these. But the cowardly way to address this is just say lets toss the baby out with the bath water, and pretend the problems that drove us to Obamacare have all self heald themselves.

    Cameraon - the problem is not with the free market system. The problem is we have many uninsurred people out there for what ever reason. These people have the right to "free" treatment through the emergency room doors - a law signed into practice by Ronald Reagan. What that law did cover is who will pay for these free Emergency Rooms visist. We have turned the Emergency Room into a walk-in free clinic, with no funding. These cost have to be covered. They way these expenses covered now is thruugh higher rates to those who do have insurance.

    It is a very broken system.

  • Cameron Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 28, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    Government currently makes up *half* of all health care spending in the US. Yet we rail against a for profit system? The user of health care services pays only 10 cents of every dollar cost, yet we complain about a free market system?

    The answer is to make health care more free, not less so.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 27, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    Utah businessman: Greece is hardly an example of medical cost causing their doom. Historically, long before they had socialized medicine their government went through bankruptcy a number of times. Did you get the message we spend more by far then any other country, in part, because of our inefficiencies and "for profit" programs.

    March 27, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    I would be hard pressed to say what the solution is to fix our messed up health care. It's hard to undo what began back in 1965 with the introduction of Medicare and government regulation on the health care. This ball started rolling a half century ago and is a result of government interference in something that was none of their business to get involved in. If you want to fix this, you have to get the government out of it. How to do that without causing an awful lot of pain to those who depend on these poorly ran government programs is a complex and difficult problem to say the least. It used to be laughable to think about socialized medicine for this country because our medical care far exceeded anything in any other country. But that has been chiseled away with government requirements for health insurance, each requirement causing unseemly rate hikes to us all. We are now at the point that to some, socialized medicine is looking better and better. Believe me, it used to be so much better, before the government got hold of it. I am sad for our nation and it's future.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    March 27, 2012 6:15 p.m.

    re: Louie

    "Bankruptcies associated with medical debt is non-existent in these other countries."

    Yes, you are right, Louie--in "these other countries", it is the COUNTRY, not the citizens, that go bankrupt. Prime example right now, with others to follow--Greece.

  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    March 27, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    For once, I agree with the left-leaning readers weighing in here. If AFA is so bad--and it is--then conservatives need to present a SPECIFIC PLAN for fixing our broken health care system. I need much more than 200 words to even summarize my plan, but I hereby issue a "call to action" to all businesses and citizens, the "bare bones" of which follows:

    Basic problem--most health care is extremely and unnecessarily expensive.

    Secondary problem--most Americans expect insurance to pay almost ALL of their health care costs (understandable,considering the high costs, but the principle of insurance is to protect us from the unusual and unexpected)

    Root cause of above problems--departure from basic principles of personal responsibility and accountability

    Common misconceptions--high costs are due to "modern technology", expensive lawsuits, greedy insurance companies, etc.--these are mostly symptoms, not root causes.

    First step in solving above problems: businesses and citizens--take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY--band together and use all available means to identify all elements of the huge amount of "fat" in today's health care costs,then begin holding providers ACCOUNTABLE to implement policies and practices needed to bring costs back to reasonable levels

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 27, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    The sad thing about this is that republicans have no plan. I say no plan. Hatch and others are convinced that the state of heath care in this country does not need fixing. We will continue to spend more than any civilized western country and not get any better results. Are we not mature enough to work towards a solution. I think many Americans are feed misinformation concerning government run health care. Can anyone please explain why it is:

    1. In other countries government run programs are more efficient and cover essentially the entire population. They pay a smaller percentage of their total income on health care.
    2 Especially in Europe you can not argue with some the results, they have longer life spans and lower infant mortality rates.
    3. Bankruptcies associated with medical debt is non-existent in these other countries.
    4. Of those countries who have gone to government sponsored programs have not turned back.

    Lets pull heads out of the sand. You first Mr. Hatch

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    March 27, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    I have a conservative alternative to Obamacare: Freedom. If the government would stop regulating healthcare so tightly and allow more competition costs would come down. Why can't insurance companies compete across state lines? Why does it take so long to get a new drug or device approved? Why does it take months to get an appointment to see a specialist? The answer to all these questions is government regulation.

    Other steps that would reduce costs and improve access are severing the tie between insurance and employment. I wouldn't even be opposed to giving every individual a tax credit to buy his or her own insurance. It's absurd to give that tax benefit to an employer. Get government out of the market and watch prosperity ensue.

  • Cameron Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 27, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    Just about everything Senator Hatch wrote about Obamacare is true. What he failed to mention is that in 1993 he co-sponsored a bill with an individual mandate. He also failed to mention his 2003 vote for health care expansion which increased our unfunded debt by $15 trillion.

    It was this kind of hypocrisy from our senior republican leadership that made toothless any GOP opposition to Obamacare.

  • Nonconlib Happy Valley, UT
    March 27, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    First, let me thank the DesNews for printing this fine piece of campaign literature. Hatch has to please the tea party in order to get elected, and all his grandstanding about repealing Obamacare certainly seems to be doing the trick. But, as others have rightly asked, where is Hatch's comprehensive health-care reform plan? Where is the Republican alternative? Oh, wait. They have already given us their plan. It's called Obamacare. Highly ironic isn't it, that Obama is getting slammed for pushing into law a health-care bill that is basically a combination of ideas cooked up by the right-wing Heritage Foundation and that Massachusetts monstrosity Romneycare.

    I especially liked the part of Hatch's diatribe where he labels Obamacare unconstitutional. As if he is the sole arbiter of that decision. Well, talk is cheap. And as this Republican primary season has shown, candidates are willing to say just about anything to please the extremists who control the party now. Sad, but if we follow the Republican lead on health care, we'll have 100 million people uninsured, and the rest of us will be footing the bill for their emergency care.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    March 27, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    Wow! I am amazed, look at all of these reasonable well thought out comments. Maybe there is hope for Utah yet! I agree, it is easy to bash Obamacare, but not so easy to come up with a solution yourself. Any potential solutions I have heard from the Republicans have bean weak at best, laughable at worst. We need real solutions to an ever growing problem. Stop spending all your energy and time attacking the other guy and spend it coming up wth real solutions or working to change and improve the solution we have. As someone with a preexisting condition I welcomed Obamacare, for the simple reason that it would guarantee I could not be turned down for insurance coverage for something that happened to me when I was 2 years old. What is your solution for that Mr. Hatch?

  • w d m South Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    Senator, where is your plan to improve health care for all Americans? I'm not saying that the Affordable Care Act is "great". It may not even be "good". But if changes are needed, then propose some solutions. Thomas Paine said, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." So far, Senator, I haven't seen you lead or follow.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 27, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    This is raw politics and nothing more. It is not good public policy. Hatch had a chance to have major input on the legislation, but he literally walked away and would not even attend the meetings on it. This as part of the Republican obstructionism program and refusal to compromise. They put politics over the good of the public. So until Hatch and his party put up a comprehensive plan, and they have failed to do so to date, they should shut up. Seriously. Put your money where your mouth is. Just saying "Repeal!" does nothing but continue the status quo. Enough of the blah, blah, blah while you continue to accept political donations and who knows what for your own benefit. Senator, your credibility on this is nil, nada, nothing, zilch, zero. For crying out loud, you were the chairman of committee that could have led reform, but you didn't. We have the highest costs and the worst results in the modern world, and you have nothing to offer.

  • ThatsSoUtah Fredericksburg, VA
    March 27, 2012 7:17 a.m.

    I came to look at the comments expecting the normal Obamacare bashing that accompanies most of these.

    What I found are reasonable comments from On the other hand, JoeBlow Twin Lights, and cjb.

    I'm not seeing any significant party bashing or anything of the sort. Good job guys.

    I also agree that Obamacare may not be perfect, but it is a start.

    What some of the opponents of the bill fail to realize is that health insurance isn't very accessible to many. Even those who are employed. While my current employer offers benefits, they don't help pay for any of the costs. Insurance for my family would cost roughly $1,200 per month. Health insurance payments should not rival mortgage/rent payments.

    Also, I have found that it is very difficult to get maternity coverage without it coming from your employer. There is one insurer in my area that provides maternity on a personal policy and that is only on policies with deductibles over $2,500. In 2014, all carriers will be required to have maternity coverage on their plans.

    I support Healthcare Reform. Any politician who opposes it needs to address the issues that made it become a necessity.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    March 27, 2012 6:51 a.m.

    Repeal would be great opportunity to re-think joining every other developed country -- with universal care and better care for the money. If repealed we need to immediately get started on a financially viable Medicare for all or public option. Returning to the days of emergency-room care for all covered by taxes and insurance must end.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 27, 2012 6:38 a.m.

    Rather than try to repeal this law, Republicans ought to work with Democrats to improve this law. Any improved law should continue to to ensure all people can get decent health care regardless of income or pre-existing status. The fact that kids up to 26 can be covered under their parents policy is also worth keeping.

    The new law ought to cover congress, they should not have a separage health care system than the people they serve. Doing this will ensure that congress has high motivation to make this a quality system.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    March 27, 2012 5:42 a.m.

    Senator Hatch,

    With all due respect, I think you are overstating things when you say "This case is not about health-care policy, but about whether we still have a real Constitution. This case is about whether our written Constitution still defines and limits federal power until the people say otherwise."

    First, given your political history, I would doubt that you are a strict constructionist.

    Second, you are certainly aware of the constitutional process. The constitution's primary genius is about distributed power to the three branches of govt. Once all three branches have weighed in, a law (even if we disagree with it) is constitutional.

    In this case, two branches have weighed in and we are waiting for the third. In late June, we should know if the law has passed the test outlined in the constitution.

    Is the law good or is it bad? Those are separate questions. But once all the constitutional officers have had their say, then the will of the people will have been expressed through their representatives. And, if all agree, then the law will be constitutional.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    March 27, 2012 3:42 a.m.

    Another Republican running on NO.

    Fine, I am not thrilled with Obama/Romney care.

    But, we know that healthcare costs are skyrocketing.

    The democrats tried under Clinton and now under Obama to do something to address the growing costs, as it affects such a large part of our budget (medicare/medicaid)

    So? What have the Republicans proposed? In the last 20 years, what are their ideas?

    Insurance across state lines and Tort Reform?

    That's their solution? Weak at best.

    Yes Orrin. It is easy to shoot holes in someone else's ideas and proposals.

    But much harder to put forth a comprehensive plan and let others shoot holes in it.

    What are your ideas? And NO is not an idea.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    March 27, 2012 1:06 a.m.

    It's fine with me if Senator Hatch wants to repeal Obamacare, but only if he can replace it with something that will better address the issues that Obamacare purports to address. The United States has far and away the most expensive health care in the developed world, and is one of only a handful of developed nations without universal health care. Senator, I'd like to see your detailed plan to bring health care costs under control and ensure that all Americans have (at a bare minimum) catastrophic health insurance of some kind. If you have no plan (which seems to be the Republican way these days), please spare us the silly rhetoric.