Thoughtful veto of sex education bill

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 19, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    MapleDon said:
    If you teach kids math, theyÂll understand the subject. If you teach them carpentry, theyÂll become skilled in that trade.

    So if you teach a child gun safety, will they treat the gun with respect because of the knowledge received or with reckless abandon because they know nothing about how the gun works?

    According to your logic if you teach kids about sex they'll make adult entertainment their profession. Well I'm afraid the numbers don't favor your logic anymore than sticking your fingers in your ears and saying na na na ana ana, which is just as helpful to our children as trying to pretend that a lack of information brings enlightenment.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    March 17, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    Well done, D News! I could not agree more with your "thoughtful" stand on this issue. The failure of parents to speak with their children about sexuality has led to a plethora of societal problems. If parents can't/won't do it someone has to. Those who say otherwise have their head in the sand.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    March 17, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    How sexually active were youth in the 1940s, when the Bible and prayer were still allowed in schools? ThatÂs right. They were restrained back then.

    The excuses given when I was young was that through education, kids would be more responsible. The fact is weÂve become a sexually active society since introducing this topic to the curriculum.

    If you teach kids math, theyÂll understand the subject. If you teach them carpentry, theyÂll become skilled in that trade. So, it doesnÂt take a genius to recognize that if you teach kids how to have sex and to detach any stigma to sexual behavior and normalize others, theyÂll become sexually active.

    If this were about teaching kids how to mix drinks, donÂt you think theyÂd obtain some expertise in that field and, of course, theyÂd drink more often and at an earlier age? Again, duh.

    Might as well teach them how to roll their own.

  • Jeanie b. Orem, UT
    March 17, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    If people would actually attend or have kids attend sex education classes in Utah they could speak with a little knowledge on just what this was all about rather than assume that leadership - in the LDS church or Utah government are out to "sexualize" our kids or win a secular popularity contest.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    March 17, 2012 12:50 p.m.

    Growing up in Northern California in the mid-1970s, I remember well the Church opposing sex education in schools. Along with the other LDS kids in my high school, I submitted a note from my parents allowing me to be excused from attending sex ed classes.

    It's interesting how the Church over the past 35 years has done a complete 180 on this issue, now endorsing public sex education. No longer do they support teaching abstinence, but through its media arm (KSL and Deseret News) sanction public education teaching our children regarding sexual options, such as homosexuality, and contraceptive usage.

    You toss the Bible and prayer out of schools and instead teach kids about sex and you wonder why kids are having sex like a pack of animals and no longer compete in the basics with the rest of the world. Duh.

    Thanks Brethren for endorsing secularism and the sexualisation of our kids. IÂm now beginning to understand what you mean by referring to our church, through your Public Affairs Dept, as Âcontemporary Mormonism. When you love public opinion and the praise of man more than the truth, this is exactly what I would expect.

  • Jeanie b. Orem, UT
    March 17, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    DougS said "Those who want the schools to teach all sorts of aberrations are only contributing to the moral decay of our society."

    We've had 3 of our 5 kids (so far) go through the sex ed. program at our high school and have found that it reinforced our conservative teachings at home.

    Yes, we need to be vigilant about what is taught as acceptable  but let's make sure we are fighting the fight that needs to be fought, not the one we imagine to be there.

  • Twin Sister LINDON, UT
    March 17, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    I appreciate this well-written article on the "whys" behind Governor Herbert's veto of this bill. Governor Herbert's veto of this bill makes total sense given the law that is already in place to make sure that parents have a say as to the scope and extend of their children sex education in the public school system. The current law works well for most families in our state and so there is no need to change it.

  • DougS Oakley, UT
    March 17, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    "Thoughtful veto" For the public school system to even be involved with anything other than abstention in sex education is a travesty of anything moral and rational in our society. Those who want the schools to teach all sorts of aberrations are only contributing to the moral decay of our society.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    March 17, 2012 6:38 a.m.

    Great editorial and spot on as to why this veto was necessary. Now when will someone tell The Eagle Forum that they have gone too far?

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2012 1:20 a.m.

    If you read the current law first,and then compare it to the proposed law,

    I believe you will find that the intent of the current law remains, with added parental input and an option for the local school not to teach the class if they don't want to follow the law.

    The bill allows a local school to provide the class if they follow the law. Currently we have schools in Utah that are required to provide the class and the claim is that some schools are not following the current law. Some have even questioned if the State School Board was following the current law.

    If that is the case, either the law needs to be clarified, or we add teeth to the law, or both. HB 363 clarifies the law assuming the schools will follow the law if it is clear.

    If you look at lines 135 to 140, you will notice the opt in was not removed for parents.

    The movement to shift the content of the class from current law significantly either way didn't pass. Many that are upset at HB 363 do not like the current law and wanted to change it to have fewer restrictions.

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    March 17, 2012 1:13 a.m.

    Our legislature painted the governor in a corner with this bill. No matter what action he took, he was going to look bad. He was smart to do this as far from the Convention as possible and after Caucus night.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    March 16, 2012 11:13 p.m.

    Too bad that more people, especially Democrats and non-Mormons don't realize how amazing this newspaper truly is when it comes to the national and international news coverage. However, oddly enough with its budget cutbacks and reduction in staff, the Deseret News local and state news coverage is seriously lacking. But from a media market standpoint, together the two newspapers put Utahns in the unusual position of having to either purchase two subscriptions rather than one or at least have access to both news outlets so that the public can have good coverage of the entire spectrum of news: world and national from The Deseret News and local and state from The Salt Lake Tribune.