Senator Dayton, you do not have the moral high ground on this topic; furthermore
it was bad legislation. The governor did the right thing and assured my vote.
Procuradorfiscal:Really. Less than 10% of Planned Parenthood's activities
have anything to do with abortion. Planned Parenthood provides pap smears and
breast exams. It's honestly ludicrous, the idea that Planned Parenthood's
doctors and nurses and volunteers sit up nights plotting for ways for teenagers
to engage in more wanton promiscuous sex. Sorry, but you just don't know what
you're talking about.
Ms. Eagar, I agree 100 % with your follow the money and you will find corruption
statement. However, when you have the biggest polluters in the state write the
environmental laws I think you really hit it out of the ball park. You will have
to ask Senator Dayton about that one. PS Thanks Gov. Herbert you did the right
Thanks ms. Ruzika errrr....Dayton but theGovernor used his brain on this
Schools should not be substitutes for families and their parental responsibility
to nurture and teach values. The difficulty lies in situations where children do
not have adequate parental mentoring. When schools assume this parental
responsibility they must select a curriculum that is secular and indifferent to
the wide spectrum of individual family values. The pendulum swings back and
forth and a reasonable consensus has not been achieved in our society. Senator
Dayton's bill rightly protects family sovereignty, but exposes those children
who are without parental guidance.
Senator DaytonI looked at the link you provided for the sex ed material.
It looked like plain, old, vanilla-style maturation information to me. It
appears that this is more a war against Planned Parenthood than sex ed in
school. So be honest then and fight that battle. Don't mix the two issues.
First, it is evident that many/most parents don't educate their kids
on this subject for whatever reason. There are so many factors which have
contributed to the acceptance of casual sex, but sex ed isn't one of them. There
was the "sexual revolution, free-love" beginning in the 60's and making
its way into the media. (who in their right mind would recommend teens use the
internet to educate themselves about sex?) Additionally, teens have less
supervision with more parents working outside the home, higher divorce rates,
etc. which can all factor in. It is better to "arm" kids with
appropriate information from reliable, professionals, abstinence being the
underpinning, than to send them out uninformed.
Senator Margret Dayton and Cherilyn Eagar and others of their ilk, by
allowing/promoting ignorance among the high school students in Utah, have proved
themselves to be part of the problem. Governor Herbert, by his veto of HB363,
shows himself to be part of the solution. Kudos to Governor Herbert for not
trying to change a system that works well for those students.For the
record, Planned Parenthood doesnÂt ÂpromoteÂ any type of
behavior. Its staff members answer questions that are posed to them . . .
answers them with ACCURATE information . . . but counsels young people who are
asking the questions to talk the subject over with their parents for full
counsel and advice. It is to be hoped that the students can talk to their
parents but, at the very least, with getting the information from PP they get
accurate information and not the half-truths and mis-statements they would get
if they got their sex education from their friends who may or may not really
know the subject. And not like my mother, who learned about a womanÂs
monthly cycles when she started bleeding at school nd learned what was happening
from the school nurse.
Procur: :Planned Parenthood DOES promote promiscuous behavior..."Sure they do.Just like me teaching my kids how to safely use and
clean guns encourages them to become bank robbers. But seriously - a
question for you:Is it OK for a woman to want to have sex without
becoming pregnant? Can you give a simple "yes" or "no"
answer?If you can't answer with a straightforward Yes or No, and
there are degrees of "it depends," then shouldn't you similarly avoid
making absolutist pronouncements about why Planned Parenthood provides
reproductive health services to women?
Re: "When Senator Dayton says that Planned Parenthood . . . 'promotes
promiscuous behavior and abortion,' she is either being deliberately dishonest,
or she's ignorant."How so? Maybe you just forgot to
elaborate.Planned Parenthood DOES promote promiscuous behavior and
IS the Nation's primary provider of abortion.Disingenuous liberal
promotion of an an iconic liberal organization, one with a history of a vicious
racist animus and whose current operations are designed to promote a libertine
liberal lifestyle, adds little to the conversation.
Senator Dayton,If the first purpose of the legislation was always to
take PP out of the discussion, then why weren't you honest about that from the
beginning, when it became public? Your second dishonest act in all this is your
statement that PP "promotes promiscuous behavior and abortion". That is
a delliberate misrepresentation. Shame on you.I will not go on to
take you to task for promoting ignorance over education as nine out of ten
posted comments here will do that quite nicely.
If the Utah legislature and government had done anything to help public
education in Utah during the last half century it would be much easier to
believe the words. If they had done anything to reduce the
commercial promotion of sex in the public media, in the dress, in the
advertising, in our culture, it would be much easier to believe the words. The first statement of the article tells us what we need to know about
the purpose of this article. That it is part of the political war between
opposing groups of politicians. The agenda of the conservative
republicans is to keep the general population uneducated, unprotected and
Barry Goldwater's wife helped found the first Planed Parenthood chapter in
Arizona, and Senator Goldwater was a strong supporter of the organization.
George Bush Sr. was also a strong supporter. Mitt Romney used to attend
fundraisers for Planned Parenthood. Ronald Reagan and George W Bush never
complained about funding for P.P.. It has only been the last couple of years
that P.P. became a demon to the Republicans party. It is a sign that
the Republican party has been taken over by their fundamentalists.
Only in the mind of a Utah Republican Legislator does keeping children ignorant
equate with protecting them.
Today is a sad day for Utah's children. For years many have worked to keep
Planned Parenthood's well-funded abortion outreach out of sex education and
Utah. I've not only been to the UN fighting this huge lobby, but beginning in
1986 I spent two years successfully keeping abortion counseling clinics out of
the schools in another state. Since then I've dedicated a significant amount of
time fighting Planned Parenthood's companion industry, pornography. I'm stunned
that the PTA and the UEA would protect these industries.Terrance
Olson, who was on the BYU faculty in the 1990s, had conducted extensive research
which showed that the mere exposure to sex education increased sexual activity.
That would seem to be simply common sense. Sex ed has been invading the schools
since the late 1960s. It should be obvious that the approach schools have
taken, which is NOT abstinence, but "we know you're going to do it, so
here's how to do it safe" has not been working. Parents must
become educated on why this bill should never have been vetoed. Friday was a
victory for Planned Parenthood, abortion and continued promiscuous sex in Utah.
Follow the money and you will find the corruption.
"Utah public schools will continue to teach health and human development.
These biology classes will be clinical discussions. When the teaching of
contraception or alternative life styles becomes the topic, the clinical
discussion too easily changes into a counseling session on matters of sex. For
school discussions, abstinence only is the safest approach."Your
bill, however, also removes any opportunity for teachers to answer questions, a
grave mistake. You live in a fantasy world if you believe that a girl or boy who
asks a question in class and is told "You'll have to ask your parents about
that" will, in fact, ask the parents. They are asking in class because a
parent already failed to teach them! Shame on you for 1.removing a
parent's choice to have a son or daughter participate in a fact based discussion
on life and death matter, 2. making it less likely that all students will have
solid facts to support choices about their sexuality and 3. probably reducing
student's opportunity for several concurrent enrollment classes. (Although the
last one probably fits with your desire to end public education.)
I call bull.If the only purpose was to take PP out of the
discussion, there are ways to do that while leaving comprehensive sex education
intact.The PP program stresses the need for parents to educate their
children on values.This editorial - like the bill it supports - is
not in the best interest of our children.
When Senator Dayton says that Planned Parenthood is a national organization
"that promotes promiscuous behavior and abortion," she is either being
deliberately dishonest, or she's ignorant. What I suspect is that the latter is
true. She just doesn't know what she's talking about.I would also like to
live in a world where unicorns gambol in gnome-tended meadows, and where young
people don't engage in sexual activity. And as a responsible parent, I have
taught my children sexual morality in our home. But I'm not naive enough to
think that kids won't do what kids clearly do. This nonsensical bill will NOT
'protect children.' It will deprive children of correct, factual information
they need to make good decisions. It's true that lots of kids don't make good
decisions no matter how much information they have. But there's no evidence to
support the idea that abstinence-only education does anything except increase
the number of unwanted pregnancies, increase the number of children with
sexually transmitted diseases, and increase the number of abortions.
Sen. Dayton,Ignorance does not promote health.A healthy discussion
of alternatives, centered on abstinence, would be healthier than a curriculum
that pretends certain things do not exist.I'd also recommend you
turn in your conservative card, for giving in to big government solutions, and
presuming that local parents and school personnel are incapable of deciding on
their own what curriculum in this sensitive area is best for their children.
Ignorance is not taught it is passed on to pregnant teens like palins daughter,
spokesperson for abstinence.Better set aside some money Utah for a
rise in STD's and teen pregnancy.Setting the clock back yet again in