I failed to add that Mormons also call Jews and other non-mormons
"Gentiles." Yes, I have a problem with that.
If Mormons weren't anti-semitic, why are you trying to convert our Jewish dead?
The Bible is far more anti-semitic than the Book of Mormon. And the source of
this criticism is directly form the greatest prophets of Christendom and the
Jewish tradition alike. The difference is, Mormonism never in its history called
the Jews anything other than God's chosen people, however they messed it up, and
has always maintained that the covenants the House of Israel made with God are
still intact and will be fulfilled in the Latter Days. Baptism for the dead has
to be understood as an act of leaving a set of tickets in the box office for the
departed. If they want to come in and see the show all they have to do is pick
them up on their way in. If not, well, no harm or insult is either intended or
possible in this arrangement. Worst case: Mormons are idiots who eventually will
see that their good intentions were misplaced, and their energy was wasted for
nothing, and they're the ones left out of the production in the end. If that's
insulting, whatever should we say about the harsh words of Calvin and Luther and
the various Eastern and Roman Christian leaders through the ages?
@Sharrona ... Yes, I agree with those references. But Acts 4:10 is equally
@Moontan, Was Israel Antisemitic? For the real problem see, Mosiah 3:19;
Ether 3:2. Also, (Romans 5:12) Therefore just as sin entered the world through
one man, and death through sin, and in this way ,death came to all people,
because all sinned). See sinful nature, Gen 8:21; Ps 51:5 ;58:3 and Eph 2:3.
@sharrona... "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised
from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole." Acts
Joseph Smith for one thing sent one of his first missionaries, a converted Jew,
to the Holy Land to dedicate "Palestine" to the gathering of Israel.
Joseph Smith was later assassinated for among other things, running for US
president on an abolitionist ticket, and for inviting "free Negroes"
into his fold, a proposition his local Christian pastors claimed would weaken
and corrupt the institution of slavery, which they held to be a proper American
practice that was Biblically ordained.
RE: Celeste WOW a very well written article. The gospel of John, in
particular, blames "the Jews" for the killing of Jesus?No one
takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it
down and authority to take it up againÂ¦. Christ ultimately chose to
die, Human sin killed Jesus. John 10:18Romans 4:25 ,He [Jesus] was
delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our
justification. In the above verse, as well as throughout the Bible, it is
repeatedly taught that death itself is caused by sin (e.g. Genesis 2:16-17;
Romans 5:12, 6:23.
In theory the title to this article is correct. In the real world you don't see
anyone of "Hebrew" decent that has joined the Church as part of the
general authority list of participants. Just an observation.
I am in total agreement, I have always wondered why people are so against the
LDS faith when it comes to our attitude with the Jews, we love the Jewish
People, we consider them, OUR BRETHREN! They are one of us, like we are a part
of them, all Israelites.
I am not Mormon-I am Jewish I happened to come upon this story because of an
email news story alert on the Holocaust. I just wanted to say I don't think the
LDS Church or anyone else had any evil intent when they baptized people who died
n the Holocaust. You aren't painting swastikas on synagogues. You aren't turning
your backs on Jews as they are marched into death camps like the rest of the
world did.I think everyone need to give God and religious people the
benefit of the doubt. From what I understand no one is required to accept the
baptism. Who knows? they might appreciate that someone is trying to comfort
them. At least the church remembers them. Another thing- I probably
wont vote for Romney but he isn't required to defend the LDS Church. There is a
separation between church and state and the news pundits need to remember that.
@ HalwriteThat is really interesting! Something similar happened in
my ward, years before my time.At a high school reunion several years
ago, I was reconnected with one of my decades-ago teachers. In conversing with
her, it came out that I was an adult LDS convert and belonged to a certain ward.
The teacher recalled attending Jewish services in my ward building as a teenager
while her nearby synagogue was being renovated. I later asked older
ward members, who also remembered it. The Jewish congregation even used our
chapel for their Sabbath services. There was a large artwork in the chapel
portraying Christ at Gethsemane, which would be draped for Shabbat and uncovered
for Sunday morning. In my youth, I had a strong interest in the
Jews and their religion and history that continues today. Many of my friends
were Jewish and I was one of the rare non-Jews who belonged to the Zionist
organization at my college. I was becoming inactive in my childhood church, but
I am now convinced that my interest in the Jews was one way a wise Heavenly
Father was preparing me to be receptive to the Gospel decades later.
It is, indeed, unjust and probably quite mean-spirited. I am reminded of a
relative, a Rabbi, who, when starting a new congregation, was offered the use of
the local LDS ward meeting hall for services until a permanent home could be
secured. When he inquired of the rent the church would expect he was told,
"none whatsoever." Anti-Semitic indeed.
My goodness - WOW a very well written article... I can sense your heart when you
wrote it...Bless your heart Dan! PS: I always enjoy your writings books,
articles etc... wow... ... Hey, you seem to be the only one who is a all-round
LDS expert on and about Jews and Arabs--- people just don't know they are truly
related in a way all way back to Abraham!!! According to your book Abraham
Divided... Dan, do keep up your work! :)
Leaders and others in the LDS Church have certainly made it clear enough what
our position in relation to the Jewish people is, especially as it relates to
the issue of proxy baptisms for Jewish people. Anyone who is still inclined to
criticize must be willfully misunderstanding.
@A bit of Reality ... Look at the Old Testament (including the Torah) references
which say the same thing as Jacob 4:14. Surely you aren't implying that the Jews
are anti-Semitic, too.
I can appreciate "a bit of reality"'s comments. However, Isaiah and
several other Jewish prophets said basically the same thing. Isaiah chapter 8
describes Israel and the Jewish nation as "nation terrible from it's
beginning."Neither the Book of Mormon nor LDS doctrine ever
condones or encourages hatred towards any group. Even Moroni, near the end of
his writings said: "Be not as we have been." One might conclude that
we also have something against those in the Book of Mormon.Having
grown up LDS, I have always been taught that there was great promise for the
Jewish people and that at the time of his Second Coming, Christ would rescue the
Jews from their enemies, and thus, it has been our conclusion that to oppose
Israel or the Jewish people would be an unwise move.
The only reason I could imagine why anyone would think us anti-semetic is if
they see proxy baptisms as an attempt to remove our ancestors' Jewishness.
Surely we can explain to the honest of heart that's not the case? I'm proud of
my Jewish ancestors and wish they could have had the additional knowledge I
have. The Gospel doesn't replace Jewishness with something else - it completes
The LDS Church is Anti-Semitic....yeah that is a good one. I wonder what Orson
Hyde is thinking about that.
As someone raised in a Jewish family and later became an LDS convert, I have
never seen anything that resembles antisemitism in the many congregations that I
have attended all over the US.If anything, I feel that the LDS
church is more pro-Jewish than most Christian churches.
I've never come across an anti-semitic attitude within the church. The doctrine
certainly doesn't teach anti-semitism. The Bible AND the Book of Mormon teach
that the Jews were a stuborn people who rejected Christ, but ultimately, they
are still God's people. I know one Jewish person very well and
asked him how he found Utahn's attitude toward his religion. He had nothing but
good things to say about his experience here. (He is from another state
originally.) He even mentioned that the LDS church had provided security for
some of the activities at the Jewish Commnunity Center in SLC. You
find what you are looking for. If you are looking to be offended and insulted
all the time, you will be. If you look for the good in others, you will find
Anyone who thinks Latter-day Saints are anti-Semite didnÂt grow up in the
ward I grew up in! From Primary upwards we were taught Jews are our brothers and
we should treat them as such. Rabbi Cohen taught classes on Judaism and Jewish
history which were widely attended by Latter-day Saints. We sang in each
othersÂ worship services; we attended each othersÂ dances. Imagine my
surprise when I discovered the whole world wasnÂt this way. Both times I
was in Israel doors that donÂt open for tourists opened for me when they
found out I was a Mormon because they knew Mormons respected them and their
religion. I had the chance to explain vicarious ordinance work to several
concerned Israelis, who certainly thought we were wasting our time but were
nonetheless honored that we cared. Yeah, I'm about as anti-Semite as my
childhood hero - Golda Meir. "Mormonism" taught me that.
I agree that the Church is not anti-Semitic. And the quote from 2 Nephi 29 is a
great illustration of this. But it was disingenuous of Mr. Peterson to include
scriptures from the NT denouncing the treatment of (the leaders of) the Jews (at
the time of Christ) and not the similar comments from Book of Mormon prophet
Jacob.Of course, if people remembered the 60 Minutes feature from
President Hinckley's time, they would know from Orrin Hatch that "It's
typical of Mormon people to love all people, but especially Jewish people."
Have you read the condemnation of the people of Israel (Judah included) in the
Old Testament? And why, because they departed from the right way, and put their
trust in other gods and in political alliances. Neither of these served them
well. Christ rebuked the hypocrisy of the wicked Pharisees. What do we learn
from this? They brought the condemnation upon themselves, just as we can bring
it upon ourselves if we do not live righteously. We also learn that if we
repent, then God will turn away his anger from us.Great promises are
made throughout scriptures (Bible and Book of Mormon) to the Jews, and to us.
Nowhere in scriptures does it give us license to persecute the Jews (which I am
descended from in part), but rather the Gentiles are to bind them up and be
their nursing mothers and carry them upon our backs. That is certainly not
anti-Semitic in any sense of the word.
I wonder if Jews would agree that the Book of Mormon is philo-semitic?Lots of versus read like Jacob 4:14: But behold, the Jews were a stiffnecked
people; and they despised the words of plainness, and killed the prophets, and
sought for things that they could not understand. Wherefore, because of their
blindness, which blindness came by looking beyond the mark, they must needs
fall. (Jacob 4:14)1 Nephi 10:11, 4 Nephi 1:31, Mormon 7:5 says it
was Âthe JewsÂ that killed the Messiah.And of course, 2
Nephi 10:3 implies that the Jews were the most wicked people in the history of
the world, because "there is none other nation on earth that would crucify
It looks that way from the outside. Insiders don't have an objective view.
Not only unjust, but wildly inaccurate.