Vai's View: Vai's view: Incentive for big plays? No problem. Bounties for injuries? Problem

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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 10, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Good grief, Ute-Fan, it was a typo. If you really think pointing that our invalidates anything, have at it. If you want to completely gloss over the point, in favor nit picking, please, be my guest. I really have no idea what Duke Football's record has to do with anything here... but if you really want to use college sports achievement as some measure, sure we can go there. And by the way, how many Academic All American Football players did Utah have this year? Perhaps 18 like Duke had, a school that doesn't hand out athletic wavers. This is way silly.

    Listen, I know the vast majority out there will want to believe and will continue to believe that the average American football player is violent person... that is fine with me. I played football, then moved on to club hockey. My boys have played football, and my youngest still does, plays defensive lineman. Fortunately none of them (including myself) have felt the need to become violent people to be tough competitors.

    To me, there is a difference between an violent game, and violent people. But that is just me, typos and all.

  • Hardcore UTE-FAN!! Spanish Fork, UT
    March 10, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    Well, violent men playing a violent game. Football players have nothing on BlueDevil and Heater. Who knew that comment boards on the D-News site could become so Vai-lent?

    Speaking of which, is the position called Tide End as BlueDevil says, or is it Tight End, as we see it on TV and in print whenever it's mentioned? I mean, cause BlueDevil knows people that know people that played the game, and he works in a legal department at Duke, I don't think he'd get that wrong, especially since we all know that Duke is a football powerhouse.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 10, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    So let me just add this one little bit, and some clarification. I am not a doctor, I work on the legal affairs side of these things. Second, I am not trying to speak for Via, and I guess for that fact anyone else. If Via views himself as a "violent man", so be it. Via is now a writer, and I am sure he means exactly what he says, since that is his profession. So if he claims he and those he played with are violent men.... I will take him at his word.

    On the other hand, I work with a bunch of men, who are not violent in nature, but that were called upon to do acts of violence far beyond what Via or any other football player. Yes, there are those who are violent, but they are not by any measure a majority, and blanketly calling those who serve in our military violent people would be a disservice.

    And those I have known and still do know that played in the NFL were not violent men, but men who played a violent game. Semantics - yes. But words count, particularly when your a writer.

  • Heater BALA CYNWYD, PA
    March 9, 2012 11:00 p.m.

    Since Blue Devil has laid out his credentials & pedigree as a Duke medical expert with well-connected friends, I guess he's right. Puh-leeze. Give me break. You take issue with Vai's statement that "football is a violent game played by violent men"? 99% would agree with that statement. I don't think he means that they are violent off the field, although Jeff Benedict's book "Pros and Cons" would suggest otherwise. Still, he's talking about how the game at the NFL level is played. The man played in it so he should know. But of course, we most of us great unwashed aren't Duke educated nor are we among the 1% as yourself. Your retort seem to suggest Vai is advocating violence. He's not. He's stating an opinion from his experience as an NFL player, who was probably tackled violently by your friend Ron Riviera when he was a Bears LB. Both are good men, who played violently, in a violent sport. End of story. Stop nit-picking. Relax and enjoy the commentary and his experiences without picking it apart.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    March 9, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    In boxing two guys get in the ring and beat the heck of each other, at the end with broken nose and black eyes hug each other, they ain't violent right? Football is no different, I don't think. I never played football but played a lot of rugby, international matches and all. When you put the uniform on, you become a different person. Your very close friends or blood relatives on the opposing team are different people. When you meet them in the field you come at them as an opponent and they will do to you and you to them what you normally do to opponents. The effect of that competitiveness is I believe what Vai is talking...those battles sometimes turn very nasty... but of course they ain't violent according to blue devil...a big joke!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 9, 2012 8:30 p.m.

    Heater - we're not supposed to get personal here, but since you are challenging who I am\was friends with, lets try this. I played with Ron Riviera, now head coach of the Carolina Panthers. I transferred schools and played two year with Brent Johnson, who was an all-star tide end for the San Francisco 49ers. A few years later my sister went to the same school i did, and I became friends with Spencer Tillman. You may remember who he was. My sons friends are Wesley Saunders - tide end for the Steelers, and Marshall Williams, wide receiver for the Indy Colts.

    I currently work with Duke medical center and the Durham VA... and Jimmity Cricket, I do get it too. I see the results of violence everyday. Don't tell me I don't get it. I see the results of real violence, and i see the results of a bunch of punks who think somehow sport is war or battle. I also see the results of real violent men, and what they do to their families and others. Lets not confuse things, sports is just that. We had Payton Manning here last week.... we get needless violence on the field.

  • Heater BALA CYNWYD, PA
    March 9, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    I am sorry Blue Devil, but because you played HS football and have friends who played pro - CFL, Arena? - you have more credibility than Vai? Maybe your friends were punters and kickers and were't involved in the violence. I wouldn't consider Vai a violent man, but he played a violent game. Stop parsing words - enough. We are all reasonable enough to understand what he means. Of course these men who play at that level are competitive and intense, but if they're playing defense in the NFL or OL or RB, it's VIOLENT! Vai isn't talking about when your pro football friends are talking to you and your son after the game the cultural hall they're necessarily violent at that moment. This must be what he means when he talks about that steak - you just watch with the rest of us, but have NO idea what happens on the field when the whistle blows. Enough with the parsing of words. We get it. Jimmity Cricket.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 9, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    Vai says,

    "But in the end, football is a violent game played by violent men"

    I am sorry Via, but I played and was friends with 3 who played pro football, and none of them I would ever call violent men. My son has two friends who currently play pro ball - one with the Steelers, and one with the Colts. Neither of them are what Via's calls "violent" men.

    Intense - yes. Competitive - Highly. Violent - nope.

  • your_sangoma Reality, UT
    March 9, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    Just order beef jerky if you are going to ruin the steak like that!

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    March 9, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Pink in the middle please- so medium well