Dick Harmon: BYU football: Two Kiwi rugby players giving Cougar football a shot

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  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    March 10, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Coach Kys has a new t shirt slogan, borrowed from the statue of liberty:
    give me your tired, your poor
    your huddled masses yearning to transfer to a JC
    the wretched refuse of other teams offshore,
    I think you get the point.
    Actually, the Utes are trying out 3 woman's gymnasts for next years basketball team.
    At least they have heart.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    March 10, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    Kamate Kamate Kora Kora I do love the Rugby game so. Fun stuff.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    March 9, 2012 8:51 p.m.

    Unless you have size and/or speed,it'll be difficult to have much impact in either sport. Ngata was successful in both sports, he had size and unusual speed.

    In rugby the only blocker you can have is the ball carrier sacrificing himself in taking out defenders allowing the ball safe passage to a touchdown or his teammate. You play like that in football is suicidal.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    March 9, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    The elevator in my office building is named Otis but it doesn't go clear to the top floor.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 9, 2012 6:56 p.m.

    "Do you think that any ranked program would do this."

    Allow walk-ons? Absolutely.

  • Truth Seeker Wellsville, UT
    March 9, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    I wonder if Otis has seen the new T-Shirts the Ute Basketball team is coming out with. "Oh What A Relief It Is".

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 9, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    "American football is for pansies. Rugby is for real men."

    I'm sorry eastcostcoug, but that's not I have heard from rugby players who switch to football. They go in with the mindset you have, then they later admit (those willing to humble themselves to admit it, anyway) that football is no pansy sport.

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    March 9, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    Having played both rugby and football I can attest that American Football is NOT for pansies. Also, in rugby, you may only toss the ball backwards. If that were still the rule in football there wouldn't be a need for helmets, pads, etc. The helmets and pads for football were only added after the forward pass was allowed. This is why sports like rugby and soccer don't need safety equipment.

    Now. . . if you wanna talk about Australian Rules Football. . . that is crazy stuff!

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Giving rugby players a shot is better than inviting the student body to basketball tryouts. Speaking of irrelevant words, Otis never comments on the "runnin'" in runnin' ute basketball.

  • nairbnosral American Fork, UT
    March 9, 2012 11:44 a.m.


    Bronco stopped his practice of silly T-shirt/team slogans after the humiliating 2008 season. Any silly slogans (like "Rise Up") now come from the marketing/advertising guys.

    Please give it a rest.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    March 9, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    This is a good example of where the football stands right now. Do you think that any ranked program would do this.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    March 9, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    This is great news for BYU's rugby team! And hopefully football too :P

  • Youth Rugby Coach Lehi, UT
    March 9, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    Otis: This article is about two walk-ons...seriously.

    Bob Cratchet: I wouldnt rate Thretton ahead on Paul Lasike. Paul played in the Waikato academy program as a junior player (a feeding program for professional rugby in New Zealand). He was the most dominant player college rugby freshman year before his mission. I think his running style translates to football better because he is more decisive in his cuts and more physical. Thretton is great rugby player but he needs more space to work in. In the end, I hope all of them end up the USA rugby program because we could use them.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    March 9, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Cal has had players in the 2 sports for the past 30 years or so with great success -- certainly in rugby where they have had the best team in the country more often than not (BYU is perennial rival).

    Having played rugby at BYU (30 yrs ago)I can attest that Polynesians and Maoris are some of the toughest best athletes around.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    March 9, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    I wonder what sport Smyth was talking about. Here is his quote: Smyth says the adjustment from ruby to football is great." Is ruby a sissified form of Rugby or only what is left after someone gets tackled. Or is it just poor proof reading?

    Otis you really need to put your real allegiance in your name: Otis Ute Spurlock.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 9, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    These new rugby players ought to fit in nicely since BYU looks and plays now more like a rugby team with their run-first offense.

  • Bob Cratchet Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Good luck to them, but as was mentioned, they are not interchangable sports. Thretton Palamo was mentioned briefly and he is a much better rugby player than either one and has struggled with the transition. One note, Haloti Ngata was first and foremost a football player. He was not a converted rugby player.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 9, 2012 6:35 a.m.

    Wow, what cool news. If anyone has seen rugby that has got to be the toughest sport on earth. How awesome they want to play football, even if they only become blockers. Sound like solid guys.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 9, 2012 5:36 a.m.

    American football is for pansies. Rugby is for real men.

    Is there really someone named "Otis"?

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    March 8, 2012 8:35 p.m.

    Wow! After reading this article, I have a few suggestions for new t-shirts for byu:

    "Things are not Going to go Well for us this Season"

    "Grab a Spoon and Taste Defeat"

    "Uh...We are Going to Need More People"

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    March 8, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    Love Rugby, but Football and Rugby are not interchangeable sports as Dick has brought out. Football is extremely complicated and mentally tough to manage -- sort of like playing 3D chess on steroids while running for your life.

    I've talked to several college coaches about some outstanding athletes from other countries and they just shake their head and say the adjustment rarely goes well. Too much to understand about how the actions of teammates affects you and vice versa.

    I hope Forrest and Lisike can make it, but, I doubt they will.