BYU basketball: Cougars eke out win past San Diego in WCC tournament, 73-68

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  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    March 4, 2012 12:28 a.m.

    Baltimore, MD
    Nothing screams insecurity like fans of a rebuilding 25+ loss team whining about a rebuilding 25+ win team struggling a little to win a close tournament game.


    Nothing screams insecurity like fans of a BYU team that joined a mid-major conference.
    Because no BCS conference will take us.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    March 3, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    Nothing screams insecurity like fans of a rebuilding 25+ loss team whining about a rebuilding 25+ win team struggling a little to win a close tournament game.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    Otis, your comment has more truth in it than you would admit. Either way, the WCC is certainly far above the PAC-12, now that Utah is in it.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 3, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    BYU certainly had moments last night where they didn't play well. There were many lapses in defense and poor decisions in defense. But a couple of notes:
    1. BYU shot 54.7% from the field, including 46.7% on 3 point attempts. Not a bad shooting night.
    2. San Diego shot just under 50% for most of the game. Their percentage fell to 47.3% by the final buzzer mainly because they were shooting so many 3's at the end trying to tie. They were just 26.1% from distance. Bad defense by the Cougars you say? Yes, in too many instances. But San Diego also made some pretty tough, contested shots.
    3. BYU did turn the ball over too much, especially Carlino. But there is something I've noticed in the last several games: teams have found they can double the BYU guards and get away with a ton of arm slaps. As soon as a BYU guard tries to knock that hand away, as Carlino did a few times last night, he gets called for "hooking". Opposing teams have found something the refs will let them get away with, and they are doing in; and Carlino as a Freshman is struggling to adapt to it.

    So, yes, not a very encouraging performance last night. But there are some positives you can take away. At least they aren't in the horrid shooting slump of a couple of weeks ago.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    jarka-rus -

    Sensitive? LOL

    An opinion is an opinion. You're entitled to yours too.

    And by the way, NCAA tourney committees OFTEN include teams they don't necessarily believe belong. It's hard to exclude a team with 25 wins. If I was on the committee I'd probably feel obligated to include this BYU team ... that doesn't mean I'd believe they truly belong, simply that there's not enough evidence to exclude them and deal with the whining that would ensue.

    This isn't all the team's fault mind you, and they may truly be better than I give them credit for. This is simply a result of the schedule they've played, who they've beaten and who they haven't beaten. The majority of their games and wins were against patsies and they lost the few games they played against solid opponents outside of a home game against Gonzaga and a "neutral site" win (if you want to truly believe SLC was a neutral site) over a bubble team - Oregon.

    It is what it is and I stand firmly behind my opinion. Again, just an opinion.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 3, 2012 2:20 p.m.


    Well the selection committee, who by the way has a whole lot more credibility than your "opinion" will have them in the tourney. So your jealous rants really don't mean a thing. Thanks for your continued obsession with a team you claim is so pathetic and hasn't beaten anyone. I guess the same could be said for both the utes football and bball programs this year. Aside from thumping the Y, none of the other wins are even worth mentioning, and you ute fans sure don't mention anything other than 54-10 right?

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    March 3, 2012 1:41 p.m.


    tch, tch

    your jealousy is showing

    When was the last time a Ute generated anything close to Jimmermania?

    Even the excitement of the NBA's newest phenom is being compared to Jimmermania.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    phantomblade -

    You Coug fans are awfully sensitive.

    You seem to have missed where I admitted being jealous of your team's "over-inflated" record.
    BYU's a good team and Utah is not even close. I can only hope that changes in the near future.

    But truth is truth, BYU's wins this year are not very impressive, yet the total of wins looks gaudy which will get them to the tourney where they'll be one and done.

    Again, a good team, much better than my Utes, but they don't belong in the NCAA tourney in my opinion. Their first game will tell us if my opinion is incorrect.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 3, 2012 1:34 p.m.


    "you play a bunch of nobodies all season long to pad your record but when you play a good team you lose"

    While BYU has been busy playing #9 Baylor, #14 Wisconsin, #21 Saint Mary's, and #26 Gonzaga,

    Utah hasn't played a single ranked team all season long.

    BYU is 3-5 against RPI Top 50; 2-0 against RPI 51-100; and 5-2 against RPI 101-150
    Utah is 0-6 against RPI Top 50; 0-6 against RPI 51-100; and 1-3 against RPI 101-150

    BYU wasn't just a Sweet 16 team last year; the Cougars were a Top 10, national championship contender until Davies was suspended. Even then, BYU came within one missed basket in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight, AND, BYU had, without question, the most exciting player in the country, the CONCENSUS National Player of the Year.

    Except for Utah's 1998 Championship game team, NO Utah team has generated more national attention than last year's Jimmer-led Cougars.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 3, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    At least they didn't get blown out by OSU and by Oregon later today. And then having their season come to an end with a resounding thud, with no chance whatsoever of a post season. Yep we cougar fans should just hang our heads and lose all hope over a close win in a conference tournament. Getting knocked out of the big dance in the first round would still be a thousand times better than losing 8 in a row and finishing 6-24.

    And those utes sure haven't been a pathetic embarrassment to the mighty Pac 10.2 right?

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 3, 2012 1:12 p.m.


    "a nice record built on less than spectacular opponents giving the nation and their fans an overinflated opinion of their team."

    There's nothing "overinflated" about being proud of 25+ win seasons, contending for conference championships, and being invited to the Big Dance every year... but it's easy to understand why fans of a rival program that no longer enjoys such success, would try to belittle what has become a staple at BYU during the Rose era.

    btw, Loveridge (Utah's future star and a Senior) was eliminated from the state basketball playoffs last night by Emery and Haws (BYU's future stars, a Junior and a Sophomore), a preview of coming attractions for the Utes.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    March 3, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    @bluecoug when was byu EVER relevant in basketball? you make it to the sweet 16 one time and all of a sudden you think yuour prgram is relevant? you play a bunch of nobodies all season long to pad your record but when you play a good team you lose.. hmm give the exact times and years and why you think were relevant

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    March 3, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    Awesome to see all the haters come out after a nice BYU win. Just keep winning baby! This is what it is like to have a basketball team that is relevant. You actually care about the month of March. You know that if everything comes together, they can make a nice run. I think last night secured a tourney bid but a win tonight and we're there for sure.

    March Madness.

    My favorite time of the year!

    Rise and shout and Go Cougars!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    March 3, 2012 11:47 a.m.


    Except for 1998, when was the last time Utah was relevant in basketball in the last 40 years?

    Give us the exact year(s) and what makes you think Utah was relevant.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    March 3, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Bad-mouth independence in football and WCC basketball all you want, but I know one thing: being able to watch all of BYU's football and basketball games on TV this year has made me ten times the Cougars fan that I was just last year--and I'm sure there are thousands of people out there just like me. From the standpoint of expanding the fan base, leaving the MWC was a master stroke. We'll see how they do against Gonzaga, as Hartsock has to come up big and the guards must hit 40+% of their three-point attempts, but it's a winnable game. And whatever happens to the Cougs in the post-season, I'll be watching.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    March 3, 2012 11:17 a.m.


    "I hate to be so negative..."

    Who are you kidding?

    Being negative about BYU is what BYU obsessed haters do.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    Swoop -

    You wrote: "jealous much?"

    Since you ask, yes I am jealous. Utah has been horrific in basketball and I can't wait to see the program get turned around. BYU certainly has been quite a bit better than Utah in the last 7 years just as you inferred.

    So there you go, I can handle the truth, can you? Or do you always prefer to deflect when you read something you don't like?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2012 10:40 a.m.


    Jealous much!

    Utah is one and done...

    for the last SEVEN years COMBINED!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    Gotta love all the clueless comments from supposed fans who have apparently never watched a college basketball tournament. Tournaments are, almost by definition, full of the unexpected. Even great teams are upset in tournaments. Squeakers are far more common than blowouts. Teams that survive find ways to win close games, which is exactly what BYU did last night.

    CONGRATS Cougars on a successful WCC tournament beginning! You win and advance, that's all that matters. The only ones who obsess about winning close games against "inferior" opponents are the whiners.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Cougar Blue -

    When are you guys EVER pleased with the officiating?

    I watched the game and could point out several plays as San Diego tried to pull even at the end where their guys were being manhandled in the middle without a call.

    Bottom line - it was a very evenly called game with a few bad calls or no-calls going both ways.

    The way this game was going, another 2 minutes and the cougars would have lost this game.

    Ultimately the cougs will make the ncaa tourney and lose in the first round. It reminds me a lot of the football team ... a nice record built on less than spectacular opponents giving the nation and their fans an overinflated opinion of their team.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    San Diego has some great talent. With a slowed Hartsock and some early fouls that were questionable, BYU was out of their game. It was entertaining, but being the cardiac kids is a bit nerve wracking.

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    March 3, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    I was so very pleased that we won so I wouldn't have to eat "sour grapes." I feared for Noah and Davies in the middle as they were mugged to the point of real danger. San Diego played a very physical game. We had Gonzaga fans sitting behind us and when Davies blocked the shot cleanly, even they were saying, "what the heck". Well, they didn't say heck. I personally was not pleased at all with the officiating.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    March 3, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Let's not kid ourselves. The WCC is probably the best athletic Conference in America now that byu is a member.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    March 3, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    Obviously chubbuckidahocoug has forgotten this is a conference tourney, anything can happen. Having 3 of our top players in foul trouble and a hobbled Noah, I thought we did well.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 3, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    I thought this game would be a snoozer, but it proved to be one of the Cougs more exciting games of the year.

    Hartsock was the key. I was so pleased to see him play the way he did. If I didn't know he had suffered a severe injury just a few games previous, I would have never known. He played with heart, passion and skill. We'll need a repeat performance from him tonight to have a chance at advancing to finals. Hopefully, he has no swelling, stiffness or pain following this gritty performance.

    Davies was solid. I could not believe the foul that was called on him in the first half. It was a cleaan swat. Loved the three point connection.

    Carlino as usually was brilliant at times and made Freshmen mistakes at times.

    Zylstra was the spark to get us going the first 5 minutes, then basically disappeared the next 35 minutes. We need more from Zylstra when he's playing the guard position. I wish he was two inches taller. I think he would be a solid small forward for us if he was just a little taller since he seems to play better at the 4 spot than the 2 spot.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    March 3, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    Noah! Way to be tough. Zylstra lighting it up to start the game. Davies with a strong second half.

    If everyone can put it together tonight, BYU should win by 10+. This team has yet to reach its potential. Injuries and a shooting slump have hurt us but now is the time to rise up!

    The WCC has been nothing but class compared to some of our old conference foes.

    Go Cougars!

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    March 3, 2012 1:36 a.m.

    Well, it was a nice basketball run while it lasted.

    Good luck Cougs, maybe we do better next year.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    March 3, 2012 12:53 a.m.

    Just observations: BYU didn't score after the 2:30 minute mark remaining in the first half, and they scored only three points in the last five minutes of the second half. Hardly a tournament tested performance.

    Aside from Hartsock saving their bacon in the second half and Abouo rescuing a couple of loose balls in the last couple of possessions, the team looked vulnerable.

    Let's hope they were looking past this game.

  • chubbuckidahocougfan Chubbuck, Idaho
    March 3, 2012 12:15 a.m.

    BYU is a non-factor this year. Very lackluster effort against an inferior opponent. It's a good thing we were playing the Univ. of San Diego Sisters of the Poor tonight or this could have been an upset. I hate to be so negative but this is an NIT team this year.