Sobriety checkpoints ineffective

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  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 29, 2012 3:19 p.m.


    Prescription drugs are abused in EVERY community I know of (not just Utah/Mormons). I don't think it's a Utah thing, or a religion thing. It's just a human thing.

    But I agree that almost all things when used in the wrong amounts cause harm. And even most poisons have theraputic uses in tiny amounts. Same with Alchohol.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Feb. 28, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    2-bits, We are probably on the same page.

    I am not saying that alcohol is a healthy option. The argument that alcohol is a net negative to society is easily made.

    Even most if not all positive and healthy things in life become a negative when taken to excess.

    My point is that for most of those who drink alcohol, there is not a problem and there is not a negative. And there could be a positive for those who do not abuse it.

    Responsible use of prescription drugs is not a negative, however we know that they will be abused by too many. Certainly an issue in Utah. Is that because of the Religious bias against alcohol? Certainly a very realistic possibility.

    In Utah, the discussion of Alcohol is difficult because of the Religious overtones.

  • Crusader Layton, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    Anyone who does not stand up against being searched when the officer has no reasonable suspicion is very unpatriotic. Americans should not allow their rights to be trampled.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 3:43 p.m.


    Alchohol may have some positive values, but it also OBVIOUSLY has some negatives too.

    You can talk study-speak if you want, but you can also find studies that show that most of our societies ills today can be traced directly back to Drug or Alchohol consuption. Ask a policeman or a judge what substances lead to most of the incidents and interactions they deal with on a day-to-day basis.

    I'm not saying it's ALL bad. But you have to admit that it's not all good.

    Studies that found slight benefits in alchohol consumtion studied very LIGHT alchohol consuption (not the way most drinkers abuse alchohol in America). The studies mention they set asside the obvious alchohol related ills and focused only on the tiny plus they were looking for in Alchohol consuption (there are warnings about the ills at the end of all those studies). Even the studies that found slight benefits warn that the benefits are only there when consumed very lightly. And most people don't tend to use alchohol in the ammounts in the studies that showed SOME benefit. I can site numerous studies that show the PROBLEMS of alchohol consumption in America if you like.

    Just sayin... don't pretend just because there's a few studies that show some small benefit in consuming small amounts of alchohol... that ALL consumption, even binge drinking is a "GOOD" thing. It's simply not. You can find studies proving that too.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Feb. 28, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    JCS writes

    "deadly substance with absolutely no positive values. The time has come to recognize that the same is true for alcohol."

    Completely false statement.

    2 minutes of research will confirm that you are incorrect.

    Studies have shown that moderate use of alcohol and caffeine may just be healthy.

    But, who needs science when we already know the truth.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    John Charity Spring
    Back Home in Davis County, UT
    It is time to say that enough is enough and to banish this insidious evil from our pressence once and for all.

    7:58 a.m. Feb. 27, 2012


    Dear John,
    Please stop trampling the United States Consitution.

    U.S. Constitution

    Ammendment 18.
    1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

    U.s. Constitution
    Ammendmend 21
    1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    cell phone ---
    DUI tweet ---

    "Checkpoint on I-15, don't go there."

    Get with the times.
    Checkpoints are not only un-Constitutional, but are obsolete.

    FYI - We'd be better off with a DUI tip-line # for motorists to call in,
    like in OTHER states!

    Utah is sooooo behind the times.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    John Charity Spring,
    The difference is... I've never heard of anybody killing someone because they were driving under the influence of tobacco.

    Drinking alchohol isn't illegal. DRIVING after drinking is illegal. I don't get the logic behind, "if driving under the influence is illegal then all tobacco consuption should be illegal".

    I think smoking is stupid, but it's not illegal. If we start trying to regulate or illegalise stupidity... where does it end? Do we make consuption of trans-fats illegal? Do we make potato chips illegal? Do we make it against the law to not take the government recommended vitamins each morning? Where does it stop?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 28, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    Have there been any sobriety checkpoints in UTAH that didn't find a single offender? I haven't heard of any.

    All the news reports I've heard after our checkpoints have mentioned some pretty impressive numbers of arrests, not only for DUI but also for other related offenses (open container, drugs, driving on suspended license, etc).

    If checkpoints for EVERYONE is a bad thing... why do we do this at our airports?

    If you do a saturation and pull over more selected people on the street they will just say you "Profiled" them. And if profiling driver behavior is OK then why do we fight AGAINST any profiling in airport security checks?

    Political correctness seems to be directly aimed at making it harder to insure safety.

  • Reverend Ike West Algiers, LA
    Feb. 28, 2012 6:22 a.m.

    To call sobriety checkpoints "ineffective" because no perps were caught misses the whole point of law enforcement, which is to get the public to comply with the law. In a perfect world there would be no arrests because everyone would obey the law.

    Waiting until there is firm visual evidence that a driver is impaired (weaving, etc) or worse, a deadly accident, is not acceptable because of the risk to the general public. Checkpoints can and do stop problems before they become serious by finding open containers, drugs and drug paraphernalia, underage possession, etc.

    @isrred - "Those who don't drink ALWAYS conflate alcoholism/drunkenness with responsible consumption of alcohol. The two are in no way the same."

    Every problem drinker was at one time a "responsible" (self-proclaimed) drinker. Alcohol is an addictive drug. Alcoholism is a deadly disease that no "responsible" drinker is immune to. "Responsible" drinkers often are in denial about the fact that they are indeed problem drinkers, and all too often "responsible" drinkers don't accept that fact until something terrible happens.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 27, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    John Charity Spring.

    While I agree with you concerning tobacco and alcohol and I am against the right of a person to kill themselves, I am not quite ready to take away a personÂs freedom just because it harms that person. If a personÂs indulgence can be made harmless to others, let the harm begin.

    As a fat old man who literally loves the taste of food, you can understand my meaning. Once in a while, under the threat of a gout flair, I will eat a steak.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 27, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    Until vehicles are made totally automatic and require no input at all from the passengers, no driver, I would like the government to take as many steps as possible to prevent the bad parts of driving, accidents, broken laws, etc. from taking away the freedom of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

    If alcohol is a problem in the use of cars, stop allowing alcohol is cars. Even if and especially if it is in the belly of the driver or the passengers.

    My preference would by a solution from the technological world that would prevent the operation of a vehicle if alcohol is sensed within the vehicle. Public transportation, taxi cabs, excepted. In the same vein, texting would be blocked when the vehicle is in motion. These things are available now.

    The other thing, if a person continually refuses to comply with the laws regarding driving, they should loose their license for life.

  • isrred Logan, UT
    Feb. 27, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    "The time has come to recognize that the same is true for alcohol."
    Except that this is simply scientifically, and medically untrue. Those who don't drink ALWAYS conflate alcoholism/drunkenness with responsible consumption of alcohol. The two are in no way the same.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Feb. 27, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    It is clear and obvious that sobriety checkpoints are extremely successful at removing dangerous drunken fools from the roadways. However, more can and should be done.

    Our society has evolved to the point that there is no longer any doubt that tobacco is a deadly substance with absolutely no positive values. The time has come to recognize that the same is true for alcohol.

    An enlighten society cannot afford the millions of deaths, diseases, and broken homes that come from alcohol use. It is time to say that enough is enough and to banish this insidious evil from our pressence once and for all.