Romney struggling to attract white working class

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  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Feb. 18, 2012 10:12 p.m.

    No working class should connect with Romney. He's a poor little rich boy telling audiences that he is "out of work too". How completely out of touch can you get?! He isn't your class. He has no idea what it is to be laid off (he did the firing), unable to find work, affording stuff for your kids. Look past the religion.

    He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and campaigns by sticking a silver foot in there too.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    Feb. 17, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    The point is, if everyone pays into the system, there are benefits to the masses. i e education, medical coverage etc. (Maybe we should rethink the notion that playing world cop, and going to war around the world is too costly). Mitt is the man, if you want that 401k to look good. Unfortunately that could mean, and in Mitts case, it meant shipping jobs overseas to reap the benefits of cheap labor. I realize that tithing is optional, but it works! Mandates are part of life! Making everyone pay into a medical system makes perfect sense, unless you want those who think they don't have to pay, but get the free medical on the backs of the ones that do pay! Call it socialism, call it tithing, call it what ever you want.. It is what it is.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 17, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    Obama's not pro oil. Romney is the best candidate for all Americans. The Church Welfare System, tithing, fast offerings is not Socialism. The contributions are voluntary, Socialism isn't. Maybe fortydam wants to work on a collective farm someday, but I don't.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    Feb. 17, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    Why can't Mitt tell them that socialism works! The redistribution of wealth happens in all religions. That is what fast offerings, church welfare systems, welfare farms, and ten percent tithing do. Why can't anyone see the connection to successful religious institutions, and business. Now this isn't an inflammatory remark, but I keep getting it rejected. Why can't this be discussed?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 16, 2012 10:50 p.m.


    I hope you're right. I don't mind being wrong if it benefits the country, but I don't trust the man.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 16, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    By the way, in the last post, better man is supposed to read betting man.... anyway.

    Back to the subject at hand, I did see some polling data from Michigan that said one of the biggest issues is that the people of Michigan felt betrayed by Romney in his stance on the Auto Bailout. During his 2008 campaign, he campaigned on the theme he was going to protect manufacturing jobs in American. Then later on, while supporting the Wall Street Financial Institutions bailout, he was against the Detroit Bailouts. See as he was a native son, "working class" people said they felt he sold them out.

    Of course this was not everyone, but probably enough that it is represented in the slide in support Romney is getting.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Feb. 16, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Romney should be getting real support from this group. They are a key demographic of the old-school, traditional Republican party.

    Romney knows what it is like to be a part of working America. He read all about it in his monthly board meeting report.

    He understands how it feels to open up his wallet and not have the right money to pay for dinner. Many restaurants can't handle hundreds or thousand dollar bills.

    I promise you he's seen more pink slips in his life than you or I. Promise you...he's handed out more than the average American has seen.

    I'm telling you...he's right there with each and every normal American.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 16, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    "Sorry guys, but after Solyndra (among other decisions), I can't trust the mans wisdom"

    Well then you must have huge issues with Romney seeing how he invested in over 30 companies that ultimately failed under his management... or is that different?

    I get you don't like Obama. But lets debate issue and policy based on the real world, not artificial sound bites. Worf, if I were a better man, I would say that Keystone will ultimately go through. It really does make a lot of sense. But just like other oil field policy, this isn't like deciding on where to go to dinner, mistakes have huge multibillion dollar price tags attached.

    The fact is Obama despite what the radio talking heads say has been relatively pro oil. We are at our highest production levels in over 30 years. Our dependence on foriegn oil is below Jimmy Carter days. And current forecast have the US totally energy independent by 2030. These are the things we don't hear because Republcans don't want to acknowledge it, and it is highly sensitive for Obama to promote this.

    The reality is every president moves to the middle once in office - even Reagan did. It is how the job is set up. Presidential powers are limited, Obama isn't a dictator, and some of his poor decisions like mandated contraception coverage will likely be striken down. It is why and how our republic has survived over 230 years.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 16, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    How many times has BO shoved his agendas down our throats, and now he wants to take his time to study things out? The Chinese will love the Keystone deal if BO takes can't make a decision.

    Sorry guys, but after Solyndra (among other decisions), I can't trust the mans wisdom.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 16, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    Worf, explain to me this. If Keystone was such a good deal, why isn't Canada building a refinery on thier own land, rather than having a US company pay for a pipeline that will require the use of emninent domain to cross over what is largely private property now?

    Is there something that is preventing the use of rail, which is commonly used today to achieve the same thing out of other oil fields? What was the reason the Republicans put an artificial deadline for a decision, before even the state themselves had agreed to a plan? Or before environmental impacts studies had been done? Nebraska already forced a change in the proposed route, and at the time of this arbitrary deadline still handn't accepted the alternate yet.

    Your complaint is the president of the United States decided no on a project that didn't have a complete project plan yet, and all the studies were not done yet... a date set for political purposes, not requirements of the project itself.

    The other factor is US refinning is running at near capacity now. To start consuming this oil from Canada, other domestic sources would not be shut down. The whole idea here is to get off of international oil.... and Canada is a foriegn country - a nice one - but still not "domestic" This would have provided Canadien Jobs, and filled Canadien wallets.

    Keystone can still happen, and likely will when all the data is in. Its not a bad idea. But to approve it just to satisfy some political agenda in the House, so the speaker can claim victory after loosing face and having to extend the payroll tax cut, not a good idea.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Feb. 16, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Maybe people with street smarts know something that people with college degrees should look into. Is this guy's policies going to be any good for any who works for a living?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    'Obama not stuggling to attract Chinese and other countries working class. Says no to Keystone.' - worf | 11:29 a.m. Feb. 16, 2012

    How many jobs would that have cost, worf?


    As compared too...

    ** 'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08


    ** 'How Many Jobs Depend on the Big Three?' - By CATHERINE RAMPELL - NY Times - 11/17/08

    'In both cases, there would be major short-term shocks to employment; depending on which scenario you use, a contraction of the Detroit Three would result in direct and indirect job losses of 2.5 million to 3 million in 2009.' - article

    The loss...

    of 3 MILLION, American jobs.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 16, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Obama not stuggling to attract Chinese and other countries working class. Says no to Keystone.

    Thank you B.O for your caring of our country.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    'Romney struggling to attract white working class' - Title

    Why is that...?

    ** 'Taking heat over his $10,000 bet, Mitt Romney responds with the story from his LDS mission By Jamshid Ghazi Askar Published by DSnews - 12/12/2011

    ** Mitt Romney downplays $374,000 in speaking fees as Not Very Much By Ryan Grim & Luke Johnson Huffington Post 01/17/2010

    ** 'Mitt Romney: Corporations are friend - By Phillip Elliot - AP - Published by DSNews 08/11/11

    ** 'Mitt Romney as job creator clashes with Bain record of job cuts' - By Lisa Lerer, Bloomberg News - Published by DSNews - 07/20/11

    ** 'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 16, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    The press keep us informed of the election process but sometimes they go so far it becomes too much.

    This week even though Mitt got beat by Santorum in the last three states, the press already outlined what Mitt's financial empire will do to Santorum in order to squash him and he hasn't even unleashed it yet.

    The country needs a man for the people and Mitt nor Santorum seem to fit the bill so they are having to make changes and concessions in order to pretend they will help the middle income worker.

    Chances are the middle income worker will have to look after themselves as they have for decades but it would be nice to elect a president who would get the countries fiscal house in order. Both these candidates like the existing president plan to do business as usual in the white house. That means if either gets elected in November the only thing that would change is the party that lives in the white house.