Lawmaker: 'Red flags' were there throughout Josh Powell's life

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  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    Josh Powell wasn't in jail because all the evidence they could find on him was circumstantial at best. The police knew they could never hold him or get a conviction on it.

    As the law states, "innocent until proven guilty."

    In this case there was no concrete proof that he had done anything illegal, therefore we must assume he was innocent.

    I can only imagine an innocent man hounded for months by law enforcement and the media.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    After reading articles and listening to the case worker on the radio, the system in Washington and the crossflow of information from Utah formally should be better. Also, after finding out that this case worker had done this type of visit several times she definitely knew and saw more that her bosses may not have known. Utah and Washington both should look into their system as cases do cross borders and we should improve our process with Child Protective Services and the police force that is handling cases like this with children involved. We don't want accidents waiting to happen with innocent children.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    Honor Code | 6:04 a.m. Feb. 10, 2012
    Denver, Colorado
    Shame on the State of Washington and the Social Workers for allowing 2 innocent boys allowed to see their sick father at his location. This could have been prevented had the visits been a a neutral site!!


    Stop trying to blame the Government for everything.
    Josh Powell was responsible for Josh Powell.

    BTW - The State of Uath NEVER took his kids away from him at ALL,
    he was a murder suspect.

    If they had stayed in Utah, this same thing would have happened even sooner, rather than later.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    To Rob,

    I neglected to word my last post very well. I did not mean to say that you were BEING inappropriate in making the remark (in any way that would make you seem to be doing something wrong). I only meant that WE are not the most appropriate persons to make such a call. Whether you believe in God or not, the principle is the same. God best judges what we cannot know for ourselves. Without knowing every detail here, such judgments are simply 'out of our hands'.

    In all honesty, I'd normally be right with you and ready to agree. I am a firm believer in a degree of shared responsibility and that the 'sins of the parents' can be the cause of what their children do. But ultimately I wouldn't say that Steven Powell is automatically as guilty as if he had 'pulled the trigger' himself, nor do I believe that we can know how his parenting or actions may have really influenced Josh in the end.

    Just trying to offer some food for thought, not say 'you were wrong' and contend with you.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Feb. 10, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    I believe that both systems in the State of Washington need some overhauling to prevent trigica lost that has happen with two young children life being take by their father. I also believe that all the blame isn't just on Josh Powell, he did murder his two sons as a final act of self control run riot. The worker from Chlid Procetion Service is a vitim of this crime and did all she could, but will have to live with the end results, I myself believe that she is blameless, she was just following the court order and did all she could, by calling 911, The State of Washington, and the county sheriff's office needs some major overhauling done to prevent further crime like this from happening, and are at fault.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    To Rob and those who supported the comment.

    While a parent may indeed be responsible for raising their children in sin/evil/hatred (or whatever label you like).. ultimately Josh Powell made his own choices and had free agency like everyone else.

    Man raises son with an iron fist, never showing love, verbally abuses his kid (not physical though), and so on- except that he provides for him and occasionally they have 'good moments' and get along fine. While this man may raise a kid who grows up to murder 100 people, was it his own fault? No. Steven Powell may be guilty of being a horrible parent. Do we even know this? No. He could be a ruthless person and still a decent parent. The truth is that we do not know and it is not our right to judge Steve Powell this way.

    The things he has done publicly CERTAINLY can level some judgement as this is objective and is an interaction with all of us. But none of us have an adequate enough account of their family to make such a judgement. It's inappropriate.

  • Love Utah Draper, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    Josh Powell's estranged sister summed it up so well:

    "There's no broken system here. Josh was broken," his estranged sister, Jennifer Graves, said Wednesday. "Josh did this and to blame anyone else for him taking a hatchet to their necks and blowing them up and causing them to suffer for their last breaths is wrong. It's wrong to say that anyone else is at fault here."

    RIP Susan, Charlie and Braden.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    Pornography in and of itself is not the only issue. People make decision to do drugs, alcohol and pornography, step by step. These influences cause problems and there are drugs that legal as some pornography and alcohol is legal but does not mean a person may not become addicted. By that time, it may be too late unless some intervention happens. People know of the problems they can have with any of these behavior modification influences in their life. Does that mean everyone becomes addicted. No. However, is it worth it to take that chance when you start partaking that you can't quit on your own? There are plenty of people at the point of the mountain and in other facilities that wish they hadn't done what they were convicted of.

  • Kami Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    "And most recently, an "alert" sent to the Washington courts from authorities in Utah citing pornographic material found in his home has lawmakers and others asking why Powell was allowed near"

    Let's look at this a little bit. I'm LDS and active in the church. For YEARS now the GAs have been talking about pornography problems with members of the church .. its a HUGE problem inside and outside of the church. How about before people point fingers they look inside their own homes cause if you are suggesting that its a danger to have children in a home with pornograpy, then you are going to see a high percentage of LDS families having their children removed. Its going to be VERY high and we all know that based on what we are hearing in church. I don't support pornography, but if you want to point fingers you better take a good look in the mirror. So let's just keep this little "problem" we are having swept under the rug but point fingers at others. That's the way, right!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    As some studies have shown, pornography is insidious to start with but appears to make a change within the person in all aspects. I am still so bothered that children were subjected to this for 2 years. The sick Brian David Mitchell was of a similar mind to abuse children. He sat for 9 years keeping the system from moving forward with his antics, as Josh was allowed to do. People have learned how to get around the system that is to protect children with their quirks, appeals to the court system with attorneys and even without them. Courts were not made to work around the law and be the law. They judge laws not to do as a lot of them are doing. Judges don't have the linked system of agencies to provide them information, in all cases. We need to look at having judges do what they do best, judge laws, not implement what they believe is policy. However, I know there is also a problem with Child and Protective Services so that is a quandry. Law enforcement have so many aspects for compliance it is a difficult area but our children need better.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    When you read this article after I listened to the interview yesterday, it makes me wonder why the police and child protective services for two years haven't done anything with this information that could have helped the process. It is hard to believe that a judge would have sealed paperwork that would have revealed this for children who are vulnerable in this situation, even on the best day. Two years with a father that is in this article is quite amazing. From reading and hearing information in the past 2 years, I am amazed the families and people that knew Josh wouldn't say more about his past. Susan would have had a tough life trying to protect her children and herself with what we know now. But from some of the people that knew Josh, they knew his nature. People were kept out of the loop due to the judge's order to seal everything. The Cox family appeared to have to tap dance around the whole situation. What a sad day for the Cox family.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Feb. 10, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    This article hits the nail on the head. Anyone who has kept up with the stories since Susan Powell's disappearance has probably had similar thoughts. I'd not read about his adolescence, but that information adds to the overall pattern of self-centeredness, hypocrisy and control. It does appear that the real culprit is in jail, but that is too little too late. He should have stopped in his tracks before he ever had children, or was allowed any influence over them. It is amazing that such an evil person could be the one providing a home for two boys whose mother vanished, at the same time that ridiculous camping trip was concocted. Emiley, your assessment is astute!

  • Rob Logan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    Steve Powell is just as responsible for all that has happened.

  • MrsB1971 Kissimmee, FL
    Feb. 10, 2012 6:52 a.m.

    "Court documents reveal Powell had a troubled adolescence filled with tension and violence. Longtime friends cite examples of behavior called both callous and selfish. Interviews and evidence gathered following the disappearance of his wife pointed to bizarre actions. And most recently, an "alert" sent to the Washington courts from authorities in Utah citing pornographic material found in his home has lawmakers and others asking why Powell was allowed near his children."

    Earlier in the week it was reported that this was child pornography. If this is true, was the FBI investigating Josh? You read about arrests almost everyday of people with this kind of material on their computers, why was Josh walking free?

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Feb. 10, 2012 6:04 a.m.

    Shame on the State of Washington and the Social Workers for allowing 2 innocent boys allowed to see their sick father at his location. This could have been prevented had the visits been a a neutral site!!

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2012 5:05 a.m.

    To me, after considering some of the other articles on this topic that I thought weren't written as well- this was a great article, imo anyway.