@Canyontreker:"Illegals can't vote."Are you
sure? Some states don't require an ID to vote.Anyway, friends of
illegals who are citizens can vote. And who do you suppose they vote for?
Blood is thicker than water, haven't you heard?"Is there some
prejudice for legal immigrants and US Latino citizens?"I
wouldn't call it prejudice. What it is, is a case of wanting voting to be for
the good of the country not for the advantage of some ethnicity or another. We
know full well that Obama (and all other politicians) are catering to the
Hispanic vote. And why is that? Because Hispanic is a large 'voting bloc' in
this country... due largely to our lax immigration enforcement.
@ COWBOY DUDENo need to hire a lawyer. E-verify only takes about 5
minutes. You only need to verify employees working for you. If your work is
outsourced I assume the employees aren't your own.Where you SHOULD
BE complaining is to the state legislator representing your district. IF they
would have started actually working towards ENFORCEMENT methods 5 or 8 yrs. ago
when the illegal immigrant trespassing first started getting out of control
businesses today wouldn't have to be bearing the brunt of illegal immigrant
enforcement measures.Ask your state legislator why illegal immigrants have
"driver privilage cards" when they're not even supposed to be here.Ask your state legislator why we print state documents in spanish?Ask
your state legislator why, when illegal immigrants arrive at emergency rooms in
hospitals they're not arrested after being given free health care.I
agree with you that we should HEAVILY PENALIZE businesses who hire illegal
immigrants.Tell that same thing to your state legislator!Ask
him/her about the other issues that have enticed illegal immigrants to be here
while you're at it.
@Cowboy DudeBy using E-verify, you won't lose your business license.
Only those that refuse to verify their workers legal right to work should be
worried. It's starts out as a warning, suspension, then business licenses are
pulled. That's three times breaking the law. If an employee turns
out to be here illegally, and e-verify told you he could work, your off the
hook. This protects honest businessmen. It's your safety net, unless
you plan on breaking the law. Your in Washington county, it's been the law there
since Dec. 17.
"E-Verify takes 5 minutes."Are you kidding? The penalty is
losing my business license. I will need a lawyer to verify each hire plus work
that is outsourced. Even if I hire all legal citizens but miss something on
e-verify, I can lose my business.If I hire my sister too.Penalize businesses that hire illegals, but don't add more regulations to the
wrz "There's too many Hispanic votes at stake for politicians to take any
meaningful action." Illegals can't vote. Is there some
prejudice for legal immigrants and US Latino citizens?Iket "let
more people be in our country leagaly on work permits and the wages would most
likley be higher because they would have to report the wages earned."All business have to report wages earned already. E-verify doesn't
change the illegal business practices. This is just more regulation
on 95% of Utah's legal businesses. We're throwing the baby out with the
bathwater on this poorly written bill.
Becky Lockhart and Bill Wright were advocates for HB116. How interesting that
the DN reporter chose to quote them and not opponents. KSL,DN,Sutherland
Inst,SLC chamber of Commerce used manuevering and pushing their agenda to get
the so called Utah Compact and then guest workers thru before the legislature
even understood the bill. It was advocacy and manipulation in action.
Rep. Bill Wright said "E-Verify is not a good pathway where we want to
go," he said. "It's much better for us as a state to just let this
issue go."Really? Our state is being invaded and overrun by
illegals from south of the border, and we should just let the issue go? I guess
the areas where HE and the other "representatives" live have not been
painted with graffiti and have illegal gang bangers hanging out on every corner,
so why should he care. Illegals are taking jobs that should go to our teenagers
here LEGALLY, all so greedy contractors can pocket extra change, but we should
just let the issue go. REALLY?Isn't it about time that the voters
stood up and reminded these corrupt politicians who they work for? Hint: The
people vote these crooks into office, and we can vote them OUT too. It's time to
throw the bums out.
"The bill, which will NOT apply to agricultural industries."All I need to know right there. This bill won't accomplish
anything... it is merely an attempt to trick voters into thinking the government
regulation is not point of this. utah born construction workers are. go to a job
site and look on the amount of people that are from latino back ground compared
to the general population. it is wat too high because the greedy small bussiness
owner hires people at poverty rates and under bids legal utah companies. people
willing to work for 5-6 bucks a hour are wage slaves and as long as we let them
they will be in poverty here as they would in mexico or anywhere else. let more
people be in our country leagaly on work permits and the wages would most likley
be higher because they would have to report the wages earned. they are not all
that happy to work for next to nothing if you just ask them. they are human
beings. iw worked with people from mexicao that had legal standing and they are
great people, and worked hard for the same wage scale as us from utah.
@Canyontreker:"A bill for more government regulations on small
businesses during a recession."Takes only a few minutes to
verify an employee's citizenship... It's not like an employer has thousands of
potential employees to 'E-Verify' every day."There has to be
other ways to check legalization than pushing more regulations on small
business."Yes, there are federal requlations that would stem
illegal immigration. Unfortunately, the federal government refuses to enforce
them with any degree of efficiency. There's too many Hispanic votes at stake
for politicians to take any meaningful action. Instead, they try to obfucate
enforcement duties and responsibilities re immigration for political expediency.
We hope the Sandstrom E-Verify bill will include employers with even a single
employee. The current Federal E-Verify law limits the requirement to employers
with 15 or over employees. I would guess that most illegals who have jobs here
are working for employers with less than 15 employees.
This country has every right to assure that those working here have permission.
E-Verify is not a company, it's the government, and they have access
to the social security database. I can understand why people are making excuses
not to use it. It means they have to be honest with their fellow citizens. It takes about 5 minutes. It's not a drain on small business. It's a
step towards claiming our states morals back.
"Free ride greedy businessmen"?I thought this was a red
state that accepted capitalism. More and more unemployed are starting businesses
in Utah rather than take government handouts. And you want to add more
regulation?I am for controlling illegal immigration, the border, and
verifying your workers. E-verify sounds good if someone is hiring questionable
illegal workers. But, this bill requires all businesses to verify all of their
work and goes too far on small business.I say no to more government
regulations and yes to encourage new business in Utah.
Im a true American from CaliforniaPoint is everyone needs to be
e-verifieddo it the right way keep it legal speak&read know your
English language.(So here we all again- including a long stream of
The legislature needs to start putting the needs of Utah citizens first. The
free ride greedy businessmen and illegals have enjoyed for years needs to stop!
If our legislators don't want to stop illegal immigrants from flooding our
state, then we need to elect some new legislators.
The only way to stop illegal entry (sometimes referred to as immigration) is to
stop the employers from hiring illegals. E-verify would do just that. Also, in
addition, jail time for employers would catch their attention better than a
slap on the wrist small fine.
And I thought Utah's leaders were against illegal immigration and saving jobs
for Americans. Clearly the people that donate to politicians don't want to be
accountable for illegal cheap labor. Its an admission that illegal immigrants
are the only people accepting certain jobs Americans won't do. And, these jobs
need to be done by someone.Like I say, immigration is not a real
issue. Its only brought up to remind people if they're democrat or republican
during an election year. After the election, no politician will actually do
anything. Now we know why.
So it would not apply to agricultural industries? What a bunch of hypocrites.
Come and pick our fruits and vegetables and we will look the other way and won't
say a word about your immigration status. That's okay by us. Mr. Sandstrom
should be ashamed of himself.
I'm all for verifying employees but do you want to give this power to one
company ( E-Verify ) . This a company run by home land security . I don't know
the ins and outs of the bill but something that gives the power to one company
is wrong . I should be able to start a company that could verify citizenship .
Does Sandstrom know how to use a calendar? Doesnât he own a watch? If this
was such an important bill, what precluded him from filing it on time? Sandstrom
was an architect. I wonder as a business man did he turn in his proposals for
projects 5 days late and expect to be treated equally? Did he give the building
owners there drawings and specifications 5 days late and expect to be paid?
There is no excuse for filing his bill late.Second, what good will
Sandstromâs bill do? It only applies to businesses who have 15 or more
employees. Whatâs to prevent a business owner, with more than 15
employees, from fracturing and restructuring his/her business into multiple
businesses with less than 15 employees each and getting separate business
licenses without using e-verify? Why are agricultural employers, the
ones who employ the most illegal aliens in this state, exempt? What
keeps a business owner from claiming his business is agricultural in nature?What stops an employer from laying of illegal aliens during the month he
applies for his business license and then rehiring all the illegal aliens he
wants the after getting his business license? Sounds to me like
Sandstrom should table his bill, put a little thought into the multiple
loopholes it has and then refile it next yearâ¦..perhaps on time.
What is the hb# for this legislation? I need to see how my rep. voted. We need
E-verify for every single employee.
Obviously these businesses feel they need people that will work at menial jobs,
be grateful for it and take pride in that job. Not look at it as a stepping
stone to something better. Not that taking a menial job and looking to better
yourself beyond that is bad, it isn't its a good thing. But so is taking pride
in whatever job you have and doing a good job, a good thing.Our
economy benefits when we have team players who are willing to give their all,
and be diligent at their job. It benefits us all.
What does immigration and E-verify have in common? Immigration is immigration,
not jobs or employment under the federal labor laws. Immigration laws are not
broke and no reform or adjustments to it are needed, there is nothing wrong with
our laws unless you are an illegal who faces the wrath of the people of this
country. Foreign nationals have no right to question, challenge, or make demands
of this country and our laws.This state bill falls in the authority
of the federal labor laws that prohibits any business in the United States from
employing illegal and undocumented individuate and we have every right to punish
business and employers who violate the federal labor laws. Every employer in
Utah must obey the minimum wage laws as well as other stipulations of the
Federal Labor Act that prohibits employers to employ illegal workers. The Federal Labor Act also makes it illegal for employers to seek out, import
illegal labor, or exports its business to take advantage of slave labor in other
countries, including China.
A poorly written bill that was smacked down by the State. Good job.Technically, I don't have any employees. Under this economy it's tough to make
ends meet. But, under this bill I have to verify everything I outsource daily on
each bid from web design, professional consulting, package delivery, etc. That
is a lot of extra time each week and would really hurt my small at home business
and my only income. Say NO to more government regulations on my
A bill for more government regulations on small businesses during a recession.
My hope is for small business and entrepreneurs to get the economy going again,
to be profitable and paying taxes on their increases.There has to be
other ways to check legalization than pushing more regulations on small
business. Utah is #4 in most business friendly for a reason and one big reason
I left California. I like this legislature.
I am very disappointed in the cowardness demonstrated by the Republicans in the
legislature after they were told loud and clear by their representatives to
repeal HB116 and enact real immigration reform which includes holding law
breaking employers feet to the fire. If nothing is done I say we throw the lot
of them out and replace them with representatives who are more concerned about
the will of those who elected them and less concerned about supporting special
To me, Gov. Herbert is the BIGGEST player "dropping the ball" in this
issue.He SHOULD be leading any and all immigration enforcement
measures.Why isn't he?We're spending upwards of 400
million on freebies for illegal immigrant trespassers.Thats 400 million
that COULD go to meet the needs of actual Utah citizens. Do the legislators NOT
notice they would have "extra" funds if they did everything they could
to actually enforce immigration laws? The added "bonus" would
be that LEGAL residents could have jobs!Maybe its time to elect a
Watch the votes folks. You can go to the Utah State Legislature's home page to
see who votes for or against. This will show us where those we vote in stand.
Lets hope it is with the citizens in 2012 and not the businessmen. Last year the
capital stood with the businessmen. Fool me once, Fool me twice, Fool me three
times, shame on me. I am not giving them a third time. My vote will be cast to
vote them out.
"Sandstrom argued that lawmakers must revisit E-Verify to bring Utah in
line with a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that fining businesses that don't
comply is unconstitutional."correction: they found it
constitutional. Several bills were brought before the house and
passed before Sandstroms. As for Lockhart's comment. Yes this is an
issue that needs to be pushed through. To many of your constituents it is very
important. This is something that has been approved by the Supreme court. Where
the other bills like Rep. Wrights will be a waste of time if the Supreme court
rules against states. For those that have lost jobs to illegal
aliens in construction etc. for those that have their id stolen, for those
looking for work, it needs to be pushed through. For these people we are pressed
for time. For the dishonest businessmen, I can understand why they want things
to remain as they are.
Yes, it is about time to call to carpet all businesses that hire illegals. There
should be a law forcing them to verify citizenship. We the people are tired of
seeing jobs going to illegals. We get rid of this "reason" to stay
stateside and illegals will stay in their own country because they won't be able
to work under the table. In addition, a law should be enacted whereby ID's
should be required at the polling booths. Illegal voter fraud is rampant in our
elections. Why is it that our country decries such fraud globally but refuses to
put into affect safeguards necessary to avoid voter fraud. We are truly
It is sad that we still have so many legislators that do not understand the real
scope of this problem which is unscrupulous employers that hire illegals at very
low wages.This practice encourages other illegals to come while it
takes the jobs of American citizens. I hope that voters remember who voted
against this bill when voting time comes around again.
It keeps getting worse and worse as a group of our leaders do everything they
can to extend the illegal activity, and taxpayer subsidized illegal labor. With our servicemen coming home, we need these jobs. We need this law.
Where is the Patriotism in this state?
We need patriotic leaders that won't sell out their countries sovereignty for
cheap labor. It's not America's job to fix other countries problems.
Give us E-verify and enforcement provisions, or be gone in November.
If the Republicans don't help clean up the mess they made last year with
immigration, I will be voting straight Democrat this year. This is
an honest bill that helps solve the problem, now and in the future. It has
already been approved by the Supreme court. Why are they so afraid of it?
Because it's honest and doesn't favor dishonest business owners? Wasn't this a part of Sandstroms bill that was killed? That's why he is filing
it late. Only one more vote is needed, is there an honest man in those 37?
Way to go representatives! We should have representatives who focus on treating
the root causes of inequality in the systems in our and Foreign (in this case
Mexico) governments and not treating this on a symptoms-solution approach.
We need this bill. Many legislatures need this bill to keep their seats come
November. The backlash is coming.If we get one immigration bill this
year, let this one be it. Stop allowing business to control our lives and
Some of us who follow the immigration issue closely will be checking which of
the legislators voted AGAINST Utah legal citizens today.They can
EXPECT competition in their re-election attempts!There's ABSOLUTELY
NO EXCUSE for allowing illegal immigrant trespassers to take Utah jobs.
Chalk another one for the Gadianton Businessmen.Sandstrom has it
right to penalize the businesses that hire illegals, and refuse to use
E-verify.Take away the incentives, and the problem will self
correct.as opposed to Rewarding those who knowingly keep breaking
the law -- those who come inlliegally, and those who exploit and use them to
their greedy advantage.
its fuuny that arepulican is putting this biil up and hie own shoots it down. it
is sad. the only reason to not use e-verify is to pay low wages and make profit.