Shock turns to anger, then to grief and solitude with news of Josh Powell, deaths

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  • Thomas Smith Sandy, UT
    Feb. 6, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    There was no evidence, yet the police and "justice" system persisted in invading Josh Powell's life, restricting his rights, and 'created' a case. I definitely do not believe what Josh did was right, but there has to be a limit to the extent of police persecution and harassment that will push people to this extreme. If you haven't been there, then you don't understand this comment. Don't judge and believe that the cops and the courts are always right. It just ain't so.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    Feb. 6, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    Evan if this incident was out of the Social Workers Hands from the get go. It still falls on CPS for not having the Supervised Visit in a Public Place.

    They knew this case was Hot, Very Hot, The Supervised Visit could have taken place at CPS Offices "Most have areas and Rooms for that that can also be watched through 1 way glass and Recorded and Filmed interaction.

    The house should not have been the place for the visit because it is to easy for the Worker to lose control as she did in this case. Also a Male Worker would have been better but thats just me.(goes to the kids basic respect for women when they see their father).

    As a supervisor of a case this Hot, I would Not have put my worker in that danger. Without a written Court Order from the Judge to allow that visit to take place at the Grandparents house.

    I would also not have put my career in such danger as to have my neck in the wind should things go wrong. I might have two workers covering that visit or do it my self as the 2nd worker under the excuse of training. This was just poorly read by the system, or dumb before the fact.

    Would it not be strange if Susan Cox was not Dead and was just being held somewhere. Those that Rule by Abuse do strange things. Anyone checked the Basement of that House.

  • skylinestar saltlake city, utah
    Feb. 6, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    innocent lives
    sadness mourns the loss of lifes emotion

  • westcoastlife saltlake city, utah
    Feb. 6, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    GodBless you Braden&charlie
    In memory of Susan CoxPowell

    so long Josh powell//

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 6, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    Read the local paper in Seattle people.

    The Social worker arrived at the house.
    The kids jumped out and ran to the door to see "Dad" before she could put the car in park, turn off the car, undo her seat belt, and get out.
    Josh rushed them in, closed and bolted the door behind them.
    All before she could even get to the sidewalk.

    When she got to the door and tried the knocking, she smelled gas and called 911 immediately.
    The police were in route when the house blew up.

    Utah news will report that in a few days....

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 6, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    Social workers are employees. This social worker knew that it was a supervised visitation and things do happen, that is why it is supervised. However, the agency, who should have known about the potential of violence and the court involvement over time. However, communication is a problem when the messages don't get passed from other case workers involved during the past several months. The judge's order the other day should have been a red flag for everyone involved. The Internet site that supposedly Josh's brother had put up to help prevent the Cox's from having access to the children. Josh could have done that site as he was very knowledgeable and manipulative. He wanted to be able to have the Cox's lose. Josh had to know his children would start to remember, in time and without his constant manipulation of their minds and actions. Children need to be protected from any perpetrator that will or could harm them. We protected children from child labor issues for a variety of reasons. Children died and were abused then as now. The system should have caught this with all the agencies involved in Utah and Washington.

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    Feb. 6, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    How can the4 social worker left the kids like that? Calling the supervisor? Why not calling the cop right away? Didn;t she/he aware the situation that the father is the suspect of the missing person case?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 6, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    One thing good that the police have done was to put Josh's father into jail. They said he is now on suicide watch so that will hopefully keep him alive for justice. Josh and his dad show the same demeanor about all of this. Abuse from people lead to other people's injuries and even death, whether it is drug and alcohol abuse, child abuse and problems with pornography. People don't communicate with each other face to face as much as they did and face to face shows the demeanor through their heart, soul and eyes. Millions of twitters, e-mails, and text messages are not necessarily real communication. The Internet can be good for some things and we can read about so many good things. But we lose real communication through that process alone.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Feb. 6, 2012 7:08 a.m.

    Evaluation before visitation. Period. What a tragedy.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 6, 2012 6:36 a.m.

    A real tragedy...but one that could have/should have been seen as coming. Especially since Josh Powell was still undergoing a psych evaluation that obviously not fully or remotely concluded... that was to have possibly detected any possibilities of something like this happening. And why weren't there other safeguards such as supervising initial visits on neutral ground and not in the safe haven of the home of the most obvious possible principle perpatrator of a yet unsolved disappearance of the boys mother. Josh Powell never should have been allowed to leave the state of Utah...where he was considered much more highly suspect by local authorities and was being watched well beyond thier scope by the friends and neighbors of Susan Powell.
    What a waste... and a miscarriage of justice.

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    Feb. 6, 2012 6:12 a.m.

    One of the strangest persons out there.
    His dad is the tree, anf josh was the apple.

  • awsomeron Waianae, HI
    Feb. 5, 2012 10:12 p.m.

    I not sure if there would have been time, but the Social Worker should have called 911 at the point she was blocked from entering the house. He was in violation of a Court Order and the Boys where put in Extreme Danger. Supervised Visits need to be done in a public place (at least the first several) and for a limited amount of time 1hour. With the Supervisor of the Visit present at all times.

    The Supervisor being aware of entrences and exits and the locations of Bathrooms. At No time should the parent be allowed to be alone with the child.

    Many Childern are kidnapped during supervised visits or evan molested and murdered, threatened with their death and or the death of the other parent, siblings and evan pets. What ever is known to work and cause the shild to Not Talk. Recant, or many other things.

    As a Foster Parent there has always been adjustment problems after a supervised visit. The Kids tell their location, and sometimes what ever they can make up to get themselfs home.

    This is extreme but is only the tip of the CPS Ice Burg.

    These workers sometimes think that these parents who lose custody are just going to roll over and play dead are often wrong. The more anger and hate the more likely hood of acting out.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Feb. 5, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    And now, Josh's father. The investigation turns to him.

    What was his relationship to Susan Powell?
    What did he know?
    When did he know it?

    Will those who want vengeance find it in prosecuting the father?


  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 5, 2012 9:42 p.m.

    How can the family possibly be in "Shock"?

    They told authorities this was going to happen.
    The courts agreed and even felt Josh was a threat and a danger.
    That's WHY the Coxes had been awarded custody of the children.

    They might be "Surprised" he actually went through with it,
    They must be "Angry",
    I'm sure they are "SAD" beyond anything any of us can possibly imagine,

    But Shocked? not in the least.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 5, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    It is true that Josh will get his reward. However, the system needs to protect our innocent children that are too young and manipulated by a sick parent that do harm to this children. Someone needs to look at the system. It is similar in a way to Elizabeth Smart. Not that Her parents were the problem but the adult perpetrator who damaged and hurt Elizabeth more than we all can think about.

    It is just hard to believe that the father could do this and would have had to plan for this for awhile.

  • PAC Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 5, 2012 9:10 p.m.

    We live in a great nation with laws that should protect children, but today those laws failed. There are no words to say...

  • Brooke Modesto, CA
    Feb. 5, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    May we remember the children and their mother. The father will pay the ultimate price in the eternities. He did not get away with it.

  • Rosebyanyothername Home Town USA, UT
    Feb. 5, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    There needs to be a "Braden And Charlie Powell" law to prevent this kind of thing. Those boys need to have not died in vain.

    Their voices must speak from the grave. Save the children from the kind of man and history Josh Powell had. There were so many red flags.

    JWB is right.

    "When the judge ordered the psychosexual evaluation, that should have pinpointed the radar screen that since that evaluation doesn't happen too often with custody cases, the father should have not had visitation rights, even under supervision. That type of evaluation should be put on the alert for law enforcement and child protection agencies and especially for courts protecting children."

    There are too many laws that protect the perpetrator. What about the victims?

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Feb. 5, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    Sad. The boys will never see their dad again because THEY went to heaven.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 5, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    This is so tragic and should not have happened. The 3 grandparents that had these children on their watch and especially the Cox's with all the love and care, have got to be devastated. Mr. Cox spent two years trying to protect these two children and Josh's attempts to keep the children away from everyone is a story that needs an ending so a parent like Josh can't do this in the future. Parent's rights are important but not when the parent is the person of interest for two years for the disappearance of the mother. When the judge ordered the psychosexual evaluation, that should have pinpointed the radar screen that since that evaluation doesn't happen too often with custody cases, the father should have not had visitation rights, even under supervision. That type of evaluation should be put on the alert for law enforcement and child protection agencies and especially for courts protecting children.