Bill would punish police chiefs who don't enforce it
It took great courage for Rep Chris Herrod to buck the SLC chamber of commerce,
the police chief of SLC and the position of the DN to actually seek a much
better alternative to the very flawed HB116 the so called Guest Worker Law.
Herrod thoughtfully crafted legislation that actually gets to the real issue
illegal immigration and confronting the costs, unfairness of businesses
employing illegals and then dumping the real costs of educating,
incarcarating,housing those who chose to break our laws on the taxpayers when we
have a 16 trillion debt.
From what I have noticed, the criminal illegal aliens hide among the
"undocumented" immigrants, and are protected by them. This is
especially true concerning adult males having sex with underage females in the
illegal alien community. Because of the closeness of this community the
"undocumented" immigrants often refuse to help the police because the
criminal illegal alien is often a family member, friend, or a member of their
I find it absolutely hilarious that the posters on here complaining about the
federal government not enforcing it's immigration laws are the same ones who
post on here about the federal government overreaching it's authority with the
issues of federal lands and education. On the one hand we have our local
politicians and others who say "We are going to get the federal government
out of what are OUR local issues" but on the other hand are saying "We
want you to come in and enforce these laws that affect us locally". Help
us here, get out over there. No wonder we get looked at by other Americans as
kind of strange. And no wonder that the federal government does NOT take Utah
seriously. Come on...5 electoral college votes. Do the math.
@Zionide - local police enforce many federal laws, why not this one? Burbank
should be fired. Becker should not be re-elected.
@very concernedIllegal immigration hurts American citizens with reduced
wages, stolen identities, lost jobs, and increased taxes. How is that
compassionate? Compassion would of been telling people not to come
here illegally in the first place, before we had this mess. Compassion would be
telling people now that they should come legally. Our laws are some
of the most compassionate in the world (Israel gives up to 14 years in jail,
with no trial) we also let in more legally than any other industrialized
country. That's not stifling immigration. What we are seeing is people making
excuses to build up a surplus of cheap labor. The Church has told
members to immigrate legally, and countries have a right to enforce their laws.
So they only support legal immigration. No matter what an individual, church, or
business motive is, greed is the underlying motivation for 12-18 million people
Re: VIDAR | 11:09 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012 "There is no way that the police
can enforce all laws, they simply do not have the manpower"I
agree with you 100%. The people in prison and on parole had the attitude that
they could break the law and would probably get away with it. I personal chose
to obey our laws, even the ones I don't agree with, and don't have to worry
about the police arresting me.
@RichardBWhat we need are truly compassionate laws that do not stifle
immigration, but allow it in an orderly, regulated fashion. And as far as greed
being the reason churches support immigration and sympathize with the immigrants
plights, I can only write what I believe to be the motive of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, which bases its teachings on compassion rather than
I think that we, by ignoring our own laws for so long, have contributed to this
fiasco. This has discouraged full participation by immigrants. They are afraid
to participate. There is a whole population who tries to live below the radar.
Again, we have allowed this to happen because we have ignored immigration laws
and enforcement for so long.I think the country would be much better
off if these same people would have the full rights and responsibilities of
citizenship. What we have now is a mess. Does that mean full-scale amnesty? I
dont know. But to me its clear a more generous policy is in order.
There are millions of law-abiding citizens who were - or are descended
from - law-abiding immigrants. Think of the Poles, the Italians, the Germans,
the Catholics, the Irish, the Jews, those from the Mid East, etc., etc. etc.
They were allowed here legally and that helped them assimilate well, as I
believe it would for the Latinos. We can all trace our ancestry back to
@Clinton EastI appreciate your sentiments, that we should allow more
legal immigration and that immigration can lead to a stronger country. But I
would disagree that allowing unlimited and/or unregulated immigration would lead
to a positive outcome. To allow anyone, anywhere, any time, to come to The U.S.
would be unwise. We will always need to have some rules and regs surrounding
immigration.For instance, in the early 1900s (Ellis Island era), I
believe the millions who came had to register and abide by several requirements.
The process discouraged the immigration of criminals. It also provided - I
believe - that the immigrants must have sponsors. I also dont think
the number of jobs available would be finite or a zero-sum-game. If there were
millions of legal aliens who became law-abiding citizens, there would be more
people buying products and services, paying taxes, and contributing to society.
And I believe there are enough natural resources in this great nation to support
Make the "Burbank rule" a stand alone bill and pass it tomorrow!Law enforcement types who shirk their duty should be penalized, not
rewarded. And, the politicians who refuse to fire them or demand their
resignation are no better, and should be voted out of office.
The so-called Burbank provision is stupid. Let's make life impossible for our
police: get in trouble with the feds if you try to deport immigrants, get
introuble fromk the state if you don't.We need to elect national
leaders who will solve immigration issues, not pretend that they can be solved
Rifleman | 9:43 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012 Complete enforcement of just the
traffic laws, would require all the police, to do nothing but write tickets all
day.Tickets for one mile over the limit, not stopping completely at stop
signs, not following right of way laws, following too closely behind an
emergency vehicle ectSome recent incidents I think of: The boy who
was killed with a cannon: should his parents be charged criminally?The man
who left guns on the roof of his car: child endangerment?How about the
four year old that takes candy: send him to jail?Old lady who forgets to
pay for something: arrest her? Send her to jail?Litter falls out of your
garbage can: littering tickets? Lawn mower too loud: noise violation ticket?I would not want to live in a country with this type of enforcement: everyone
would be in jail, and I mean everyone would be in jail.
Rifleman | 9:43 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012 There is no way that the police
can enforce all laws, they simply do not have the manpower. The question is
what should they concentrate on, with limited resources?We can of course
increase the resources, and hire more police, and build more jails and
prisons.Remember however, that the United States has the highest
incarceration rate in the world, not one else even comes close to us.One
out of every 37 men is either in jail/prison or on probation.I would much
rather they prevent and investigate serious felonies then misdemeanors.The
issue is in SLC how the more serious crimes of rapes, murders, robberies, if the
victims are afraid of the police?Does being in the country illegally mean
they should receive no police protection? I do not believe so, they are still
human beings. We except as Americans, for protection of the police in other
countries, do we not?
Re: VIDAR | 9:40 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012 "Why is it that a communist
country can somehow care for 5x more people then us?"If you
think you can enter China or North Korea by sneaking over their borders without
suffering dire consequences you are sadly mistaken. They protect their borders
and American should do the same. Its the law.
@Clinton King - Bravo Zulu! Long live Freedom! @Ishmot2 - I agree
that we should bring in as many legal immigrants as want to come. Further, we
should make a legal way for everyone to come who wants to come. Let freedom
ring. However, I would use our bargaining position to open up immigration in
Latin America to remove the even more ridiculous restrictions there - king of
like free trade agreements. It would drastically improve the economy of the
entire hemisphere, blunt Chavez, and keep China in check.@Everyone
who says good Americans obey the law - Actually I would bet every single
American breaks the law in some way every single day. Speeding, taxes, dumping
toxic waste - there are so many laws out there it is almost impossible to keep
every single one. There is no way the police can enforce every law, just like
they can not catch everyone going over the speed limit. It makes sense for them
to focus on real crime, and not trying to deport someone trying to make a
living, who by buying or renting anything is also paying taxes.
Illegal immigration needs to stop. It's ruining America. To help stop it, join
NumbersUSA, write your representatives, and start voting on the issue! Illegals
have their supporters working hard for them. American citizens and legal
immigrants need to work together to push back against the open borders lobby.
It is about time. Pass the Burbank rule. It is terribly wrong for a police chief
to rerfuse to enforce the law.
I don't see how some of our leaders, business and churches could be so cruel to
their fellow American, as they have been by encouraging this mess. Greed,
nothing but greed. I don't know that it is greed; but I do know that
it really hurts those of us that are trying to stay in business by obeying the
law, when there are so many that will not. Being LDS I wondered the same thing,
why they want to hurt me while trying to help illegals? I say bring in as many
as you want; LEGALLY! But to say they are only doing jobs us Americans
wonât do is, bologna. Everyday when I'm out and about I see people from
another Country doing jobs that I would love to be doing, and doing it
correctly, unlike what they are doing in most cases. Granted they work hard and
do very well such things as landscaping,but when it comes to building, They have
a long way to go.
Clinton KingI don't know about the rest of the Americans out there but I
realize that there is some "open space" still here in America and I
for one would like to keep it that way. I don't relish the thought of living in
a "standing room only" society. Also, I don't know if it is still in
effect but awhile back there was parts of the open land in Arizona where the
citizens were being warned to stay out of because the Mexican Drug Lords had
claimed it as their own. NOPE... would rather have open land then Mexican drug
land any day of the week.
Re: VIDAR | 5:56 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012 "yes, this is a great idea, lets
pass a law that all police officers must enforce every law"I
thought that was what law enforcement was supposed to do .... enforce the law.
Decent Americans obey the laws we as a society have created, and expect those
who disobey them to face the consequences.
I'm in agreement with those who would just get rid of the 3 pro-illegal bills
that were passed last year. Apparently Lockhart didn't pay attention at the
Republican Convention, when people voted to repeal HB116. Sorry, but the
majority of Utahns do not want bills that pander to illegals.Let's
get bills passed this year that require all employers to use eVerify under
severe penalty and get rid of the Driving Privilege card. We've seen, in
Alabama and Georgia, that getting tough on illegals works. So, these would at
least be a start. And, yes, make it easy for victims of ID fraud to get help.
tenx | 7:49 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012China has around one billion more
people living in its borders then the United States.Why is it that a
communist country can somehow care for 5x more people then us?India has
almost as many people as ChinaAnd yet we cry about 10-20 million people
coming into the united states from Mexico to work.Some people moan about
welfare benefits: I do not understand why we are so against someone having food,
however maybe the answer is to stop all subsidies and handouts from the
government, for the poor and the rich: no more federal flood insurance, farm
subsidies, and oil subsidies. Give people some unused land and let them
grow food on it, why do we think people coming from agricultural areas need to
live in the city?Do we only allow rich people to live in the mountains?
Burbank is the Utah poster child for Salt Lake being the sanctuary city it is
for illegals, but it's because of his boss Ralph Becker, and as long as all of
you in Salt Lake keep electing Becker to office you can expect your fair city to
become more and more like Los Angeles with its crime and gangs. If we the
people really want to prevent our state from becoming another Los Angeles (which
is really mexico now) we need to stand up and tell our elected leaders that they
need to crack down on this problem, and vote them out if they do not. If we
want to change this, we need to stop being apathetic to the takeover of this
country and remind them that they work for US. We get the government we
deserve, after all.We definitely need to repeal the amnesty bill
HB116. If Herrod's bill will require police to do their jobs and enforce the
laws, then I support it. Law enforcement is not paid to give the media their
opinions on the law, they are there to enforce it.
Immigration has always made our country stronger. More immigrants = better
country. There is plenty of open space here in Utah, also in Nevada, Wyoming,
etc. Our economy grows as the population increases. More people = stronger
The problem with all the previous attempts to fix the illegal problem has been
lack of enforcement. The 1986 amnesty (which was the "Amnesty to end all
Amnesties") lacked enforcement and therefore instead of ending the illegal
invasion only encouraged more and instead of 2.0 million illegals to deal with
we now have 12-20 million to deal with. @C. King-Ephraim. Where do
you propose to put the 2.75 BILLION who would arrive if your idea passed the
States cannot deport people out of the U.S. States also cannot legalize someone
out of status whether due to illegal entry or visa overstay. This is a silly
law that if enacted will cost the states millions in lawsuits.The
Supreme Court has already decided that states can require e-verify and use its
licensing authority such as business licenses. Take away the magnate or carrot
and results will follow. Give small businesses a tax break for implementing
e-verify. Make e-verify a requirement for a business license. Local police do not need the state terrorizing them for not pushing grandma
illegal into jail for a traffic violation when the feds may not even come and
get her for removal proceedings. Let's pass laws that make sense and which do
not demonize local police. Local police will do their job and arrest anyone
whether legal or illegal when the law is violated. Let's let them do their job.
E-verify and linking it to business licensing will do far more good at a much
yes, this is a great idea, lets pass a law that all police officers must enforce
every law.everyone who ever speeds, litters, or breaks the law in anyway
should be arrested and/or ticketed by the police.We of course will also
need to double our states police force.Also will need to build more jails
to hold everyone who has broken the law.Why stop with the police? lets
pass a law removing judical disgression as well.Anyone who break the law
with be sentaced to whatever the penality calls for.And the only way it
will be meaningfull is if people are not released early.So next time you
are pulled over and given a ticket. Remember the Utah state legislator wants
the police to enforce each law in this state without exception.
I'm against removing the 3 or 10 year penalty for coming here illegally, or
overstaying a visa. It's one of the few methods we have left to discourage those
here on work visas from staying. If caught, they are deported and not able to
come back for 10 years. I'm against any form of amnesty or guest
worker until we get our illegal immigration under control. Not just at the
border, but in our cities and towns if they overstay visas or get past the
border. In 1986 it was a trickle, in the last 25 years it's been a stream, the
next wave will be a flood. Illegal immigration may be slowing from Mexico (I
don't believe it) but there are others out there. I don't see how
some of our leaders, business and churches could be so cruel to their fellow
American, as they have been by encouraging this mess. Greed, nothing but greed.
I would like to see the three guest worker bills from last year killed. All
three will not get federal approval, and will end up in court. Taking jobs away
from citizens and giving them to foreign citizens should never be tolerated in
this country. We already know that the Supreme court has ruled that
states can pull business licenses, and approves E-Verify. That's the direction
we need to go in. But Utah is so business friendly, they will never pass it, and
Governor Herbert knows it. As far as enforcing immigration laws
stopping illegal aliens from talking to police, that's the same excuse used by
the LA police back in the 90's. I think Burbanks attitude makes a lot more
people leery of him and police. You really don't know who to trust anymore with
our officials ignoring laws, including identity theft. We have paid to high of a
price over legal immigration.
I support this bill HB300 because of the provisions that give Victims of
Identity theft the means to address their situation. No longer will they have to
wait for a possible conviction of ID theft, they can be proactive in going after
those people who are complicit with the ID theft. Since Utah Workforce
Services has brought out that 50,000 Utah children are victims, their parents
can now protect them.Employers would have safe harbor from
complicity with ID theft, Human Trafficking and Migrant Smuggling by signing up
for the IMAGE program.Since over 40% of illegal aliens are from Visa
overstays and bureaucratic blunders this bill would give them the time and means
to correct their situation.
Pharmacist and Say No:The examples you cite involve laws on the books in
the local municipalities. We have local drug laws, burglary laws, etc. so local
law enforcement enforces them, sometimes with the assistance of state or federal
law enforcement when the offenses can be prosecuted in multiple jurisdictions or
at multiple levels of government.We do not (currently) have local
immigration laws so involving local law enforcement in issues that are purely
immigration is extraneous work that takes away from statutorily defined duties.
Herrod's and Sandstrom's bills are Trojan horses, they both claim to be
compassionate, but in fact when you read the details their laws put the boot of
the gov't's authority on the necks of a bunch of poor refugees. This is far
from compassionate, it's not my country's way, Utahns should consider this kind
of keystone kops bill an embarrassment. I'm with Chief Burbank's policy to opt
out (legally) of that kind of enforcement.What we need to make for our
friends from south of the border is a practical path to legal immigration, not
the bureaucratic blockage we have now, else we're gonna continue the present
illegal migration of poor refugees into a relatively opulent economy. It's
really simple. But many posters above along with those 2 politicians are not
that smart to see reality.Bienvenidos, amigos!
To Zionide, I see local law enforcement backing up the DEA and FDA. Every time
we have a drug bust, its locals inforcing Fed. laws. On the same topic, the
State of Utah, California and Oregon, that I know of, have all over ridden the
Feds and tighten the prescription drug distribution. Why is the this legal, when
we can not touch illegal immagration.
Clinton, according to a 2009 Gallup poll there are 165 million people around the
world who would rather live here. Pew reported that 36 million Mexicans would
prefer to live here.Are you sure you want open borders?
Clinton KingMy mind cannot even fathom the total mess our country would be
in if we followed through with what you said. WOW, talk about no sense.
Clinton King.....You must have been reading the literature that LaRaza puts out.
That is what they want. No rules to follow. Open borders. Social programs for
everyone and the value of citizenship drops to nothing.The American
'melting pot' becomes a multicultural country of third-world status.
The solution to the illegal immigrant problem is for the government to repeal
stupid laws that restrict the natural flow of human populations in response to
socioeconomic conditions. It is time to eliminate all limitations or
restrictions on immigration into our country.
We have people who have overstayed Visa's in my neighborhood also. It is time
they go home instead of having more children and abusing the system. It is time
that the citizens are protected and the special interest groups that Burbanks
panders too need to be fined and fined heavy. All police officers are hired and
paid by the citizens to protect us and enforce our laws. Burbank is one who
needs to go.
Zionide, you'd best check your statement. Local cops work with the feds on bank
robberies, gun violations, terrorist threats, fed warrants...the list goes
on.The whole idea of Homeland Security was to coordinate the various
federal agencies with local agencies and information.Your problem is that
you look to Burbank as a model, but he's proven with immigration and the Occupy
movement that he has two sets of rules depending on your political bent. It's
about time the state called him on it. Becker won't.
Ugh. The Republican mob is at it again. Never mind that a majority of Utahns
supported HB116; it isn't in harmony with the political ideology of the state's
ruling elite, and therefore must be replaced with a draconian law masquerading
as a "compassionate" approach to the immigration problem. Thanks, Rep.
Local police don't enforce the regulations and/or laws of other federal agencies
like the USDA, FDA, BIA, and so on. So why should the enforce the regulations of
ICE?Kudos to Chief Burbank for spending manpower and taxpayer
dollars on enforcing the laws his force is actually, according to statute,
legally responsible for: the laws, ordinances, and regulations defined by the
municipality or local government they serve.Until SLC has a specific
immigration law in place, SLC police officers have no place enforcing a federal
immigration law---that's what federal agents are for.
And so on look around we have our Mexican Ancestors then/here/now
Get real america welcomes many people in many colors
It would sure save the taxpayers alot of money if the legislature didn't have to
write bills to get Burbank and others to do the job they are already paid to do!
I think the State of Utah should send Becker and SLC a bill for the waste of
taxpayer money being spent to clean up the mess's they create for the state.
The OWS mess in Pioneer park supported by Burbank was one such fiasco that cost
one protestor his life.....and now he refuses to enforce the law of detaining
illegals? How many Americans will have to die before these guys take notice.
What is it about the word illegal that Burbank and Becker don't get?.....Fire
these fools, they are breaking the bank!
I'm still waiting for Chief Burbank's ideas to eradicate illegal immigration.
Most of those with expired Visas that I know, have worked. One I know married a
citizen, so now has earned their citizenship. The extended family is next to
receive citizenship. Until then if this law goes into effect, they will have to
leave to renew a visa. Possibly this would cause families to leave on their own
rather than pay back what they have received here in America. They have had a
nice lifestyle here with lots of amenities thanks to the generosity of
charities/church and other citizen family members. They feel all of this is
owed to them. Paying America back? I doubt it! I think they would leave.
The "Burbank rule" part of this legislation is long overdue.S.L. city and W.V. city in particular, don't seem to mind that they act as
"magnets" for illegal immigrants. Even though the illegal trespassers
may live in those cities, the jobs the illegal immigrants take are all along the
wasatch front, and beyond.Its unfortunate that the Utah legislature
is forced to compel officers who are sworn to uphold Utahs laws to actually
enforce laws they don't agree with.But thats apparentally whats
necessary!Legislators: PLEASE pass meaningful immigration