Repeal of guest worker bill introduced; would strip police certification of chiefs who don't enforce immigration laws

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  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Jan. 28, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    It took great courage for Rep Chris Herrod to buck the SLC chamber of commerce, the police chief of SLC and the position of the DN to actually seek a much better alternative to the very flawed HB116 the so called Guest Worker Law. Herrod thoughtfully crafted legislation that actually gets to the real issue illegal immigration and confronting the costs, unfairness of businesses employing illegals and then dumping the real costs of educating, incarcarating,housing those who chose to break our laws on the taxpayers when we have a 16 trillion debt.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    From what I have noticed, the criminal illegal aliens hide among the "undocumented" immigrants, and are protected by them. This is especially true concerning adult males having sex with underage females in the illegal alien community. Because of the closeness of this community the "undocumented" immigrants often refuse to help the police because the criminal illegal alien is often a family member, friend, or a member of their religious congregation.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    I find it absolutely hilarious that the posters on here complaining about the federal government not enforcing it's immigration laws are the same ones who post on here about the federal government overreaching it's authority with the issues of federal lands and education. On the one hand we have our local politicians and others who say "We are going to get the federal government out of what are OUR local issues" but on the other hand are saying "We want you to come in and enforce these laws that affect us locally". Help us here, get out over there. No wonder we get looked at by other Americans as kind of strange. And no wonder that the federal government does NOT take Utah seriously. Come on...5 electoral college votes. Do the math.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    @Zionide - local police enforce many federal laws, why not this one? Burbank should be fired. Becker should not be re-elected.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    @very concerned
    Illegal immigration hurts American citizens with reduced wages, stolen identities, lost jobs, and increased taxes. How is that compassionate?

    Compassion would of been telling people not to come here illegally in the first place, before we had this mess. Compassion would be telling people now that they should come legally.

    Our laws are some of the most compassionate in the world (Israel gives up to 14 years in jail, with no trial) we also let in more legally than any other industrialized country. That's not stifling immigration. What we are seeing is people making excuses to build up a surplus of cheap labor.

    The Church has told members to immigrate legally, and countries have a right to enforce their laws. So they only support legal immigration. No matter what an individual, church, or business motive is, greed is the underlying motivation for 12-18 million people here illegally.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    Re: VIDAR | 11:09 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012
    "There is no way that the police can enforce all laws, they simply do not have the manpower"

    I agree with you 100%. The people in prison and on parole had the attitude that they could break the law and would probably get away with it. I personal chose to obey our laws, even the ones I don't agree with, and don't have to worry about the police arresting me.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    What we need are truly compassionate laws that do not stifle immigration, but allow it in an orderly, regulated fashion. And as far as greed being the reason churches support immigration and sympathize with the immigrants plights, I can only write what I believe to be the motive of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, which bases its teachings on compassion rather than greed.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    I think that we, by ignoring our own laws for so long, have contributed to this fiasco. This has discouraged full participation by immigrants. They are afraid to participate. There is a whole population who tries to live below the radar. Again, we have allowed this to happen because we have ignored immigration laws and enforcement for so long.

    I think the country would be much better off if these same people would have the full rights and responsibilities of citizenship. What we have now is a mess. Does that mean full-scale amnesty? I dont know. But to me its clear a more generous policy is in order.

    There are millions of law-abiding citizens who were - or are descended from - law-abiding immigrants. Think of the Poles, the Italians, the Germans, the Catholics, the Irish, the Jews, those from the Mid East, etc., etc. etc. They were allowed here legally and that helped them assimilate well, as I believe it would for the Latinos. We can all trace our ancestry back to immigrants.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    @Clinton East

    I appreciate your sentiments, that we should allow more legal immigration and that immigration can lead to a stronger country. But I would disagree that allowing unlimited and/or unregulated immigration would lead to a positive outcome. To allow anyone, anywhere, any time, to come to The U.S. would be unwise. We will always need to have some rules and regs surrounding immigration.

    For instance, in the early 1900s (Ellis Island era), I believe the millions who came had to register and abide by several requirements. The process discouraged the immigration of criminals. It also provided - I believe - that the immigrants must have sponsors.

    I also dont think the number of jobs available would be finite or a zero-sum-game. If there were millions of legal aliens who became law-abiding citizens, there would be more people buying products and services, paying taxes, and contributing to society. And I believe there are enough natural resources in this great nation to support them.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Make the "Burbank rule" a stand alone bill and pass it tomorrow!

    Law enforcement types who shirk their duty should be penalized, not rewarded. And, the politicians who refuse to fire them or demand their resignation are no better, and should be voted out of office.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    The so-called Burbank provision is stupid. Let's make life impossible for our police: get in trouble with the feds if you try to deport immigrants, get introuble fromk the state if you don't.

    We need to elect national leaders who will solve immigration issues, not pretend that they can be solved locally.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    Rifleman | 9:43 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012

    Complete enforcement of just the traffic laws, would require all the police, to do nothing but write tickets all day.
    Tickets for one mile over the limit, not stopping completely at stop signs, not following right of way laws, following too closely behind an emergency vehicle ect
    Some recent incidents I think of:
    The boy who was killed with a cannon: should his parents be charged criminally?
    The man who left guns on the roof of his car: child endangerment?
    How about the four year old that takes candy: send him to jail?
    Old lady who forgets to pay for something: arrest her? Send her to jail?
    Litter falls out of your garbage can: littering tickets? Lawn mower too loud: noise violation ticket?
    I would not want to live in a country with this type of enforcement: everyone would be in jail, and I mean everyone would be in jail.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    Rifleman | 9:43 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012

    There is no way that the police can enforce all laws, they simply do not have the manpower. The question is what should they concentrate on, with limited resources?
    We can of course increase the resources, and hire more police, and build more jails and prisons.
    Remember however, that the United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world, not one else even comes close to us.
    One out of every 37 men is either in jail/prison or on probation.
    I would much rather they prevent and investigate serious felonies then misdemeanors.
    The issue is in SLC how the more serious crimes of rapes, murders, robberies, if the victims are afraid of the police?
    Does being in the country illegally mean they should receive no police protection? I do not believe so, they are still human beings. We except as Americans, for protection of the police in other countries, do we not?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    Re: VIDAR | 9:40 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012
    "Why is it that a communist country can somehow care for 5x more people then us?"

    If you think you can enter China or North Korea by sneaking over their borders without suffering dire consequences you are sadly mistaken. They protect their borders and American should do the same. Its the law.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Jan. 27, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    @Clinton King - Bravo Zulu! Long live Freedom!

    @Ishmot2 - I agree that we should bring in as many legal immigrants as want to come. Further, we should make a legal way for everyone to come who wants to come. Let freedom ring. However, I would use our bargaining position to open up immigration in Latin America to remove the even more ridiculous restrictions there - king of like free trade agreements. It would drastically improve the economy of the entire hemisphere, blunt Chavez, and keep China in check.

    @Everyone who says good Americans obey the law - Actually I would bet every single American breaks the law in some way every single day. Speeding, taxes, dumping toxic waste - there are so many laws out there it is almost impossible to keep every single one. There is no way the police can enforce every law, just like they can not catch everyone going over the speed limit. It makes sense for them to focus on real crime, and not trying to deport someone trying to make a living, who by buying or renting anything is also paying taxes.

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    Illegal immigration needs to stop. It's ruining America. To help stop it, join NumbersUSA, write your representatives, and start voting on the issue! Illegals have their supporters working hard for them. American citizens and legal immigrants need to work together to push back against the open borders lobby.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    It is about time. Pass the Burbank rule. It is terribly wrong for a police chief to rerfuse to enforce the law.

  • Ishmot2 IVINS, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    I don't see how some of our leaders, business and churches could be so cruel to their fellow American, as they have been by encouraging this mess. Greed, nothing but greed.

    I don't know that it is greed; but I do know that it really hurts those of us that are trying to stay in business by obeying the law, when there are so many that will not. Being LDS I wondered the same thing, why they want to hurt me while trying to help illegals? I say bring in as many as you want; LEGALLY! But to say they are only doing jobs us Americans won√Ęt do is, bologna. Everyday when I'm out and about I see people from another Country doing jobs that I would love to be doing, and doing it correctly, unlike what they are doing in most cases. Granted they work hard and do very well such things as landscaping,but when it comes to building, They have a long way to go.

    Jan. 27, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    Clinton King
    I don't know about the rest of the Americans out there but I realize that there is some "open space" still here in America and I for one would like to keep it that way. I don't relish the thought of living in a "standing room only" society. Also, I don't know if it is still in effect but awhile back there was parts of the open land in Arizona where the citizens were being warned to stay out of because the Mexican Drug Lords had claimed it as their own. NOPE... would rather have open land then Mexican drug land any day of the week.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Re: VIDAR | 5:56 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012
    "yes, this is a great idea, lets pass a law that all police officers must enforce every law"

    I thought that was what law enforcement was supposed to do .... enforce the law. Decent Americans obey the laws we as a society have created, and expect those who disobey them to face the consequences.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    I'm in agreement with those who would just get rid of the 3 pro-illegal bills that were passed last year. Apparently Lockhart didn't pay attention at the Republican Convention, when people voted to repeal HB116. Sorry, but the majority of Utahns do not want bills that pander to illegals.

    Let's get bills passed this year that require all employers to use eVerify under severe penalty and get rid of the Driving Privilege card. We've seen, in Alabama and Georgia, that getting tough on illegals works. So, these would at least be a start. And, yes, make it easy for victims of ID fraud to get help.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    tenx | 7:49 a.m. Jan. 27, 2012

    China has around one billion more people living in its borders then the United States.
    Why is it that a communist country can somehow care for 5x more people then us?
    India has almost as many people as China
    And yet we cry about 10-20 million people coming into the united states from Mexico to work.
    Some people moan about welfare benefits: I do not understand why we are so against someone having food, however maybe the answer is to stop all subsidies and handouts from the government, for the poor and the rich: no more federal flood insurance, farm subsidies, and oil subsidies.
    Give people some unused land and let them grow food on it, why do we think people coming from agricultural areas need to live in the city?
    Do we only allow rich people to live in the mountains?

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    Burbank is the Utah poster child for Salt Lake being the sanctuary city it is for illegals, but it's because of his boss Ralph Becker, and as long as all of you in Salt Lake keep electing Becker to office you can expect your fair city to become more and more like Los Angeles with its crime and gangs. If we the people really want to prevent our state from becoming another Los Angeles (which is really mexico now) we need to stand up and tell our elected leaders that they need to crack down on this problem, and vote them out if they do not. If we want to change this, we need to stop being apathetic to the takeover of this country and remind them that they work for US. We get the government we deserve, after all.

    We definitely need to repeal the amnesty bill HB116. If Herrod's bill will require police to do their jobs and enforce the laws, then I support it. Law enforcement is not paid to give the media their opinions on the law, they are there to enforce it.

  • Clinton King (Ephraim) Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Immigration has always made our country stronger. More immigrants = better country. There is plenty of open space here in Utah, also in Nevada, Wyoming, etc. Our economy grows as the population increases. More people = stronger economy.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    The problem with all the previous attempts to fix the illegal problem has been lack of enforcement. The 1986 amnesty (which was the "Amnesty to end all Amnesties") lacked enforcement and therefore instead of ending the illegal invasion only encouraged more and instead of 2.0 million illegals to deal with we now have 12-20 million to deal with.

    @C. King-Ephraim. Where do you propose to put the 2.75 BILLION who would arrive if your idea passed the smell test?

  • marcamus goochland, va
    Jan. 27, 2012 6:34 a.m.

    States cannot deport people out of the U.S. States also cannot legalize someone out of status whether due to illegal entry or visa overstay. This is a silly law that if enacted will cost the states millions in lawsuits.

    The Supreme Court has already decided that states can require e-verify and use its licensing authority such as business licenses. Take away the magnate or carrot and results will follow. Give small businesses a tax break for implementing e-verify. Make e-verify a requirement for a business license.

    Local police do not need the state terrorizing them for not pushing grandma illegal into jail for a traffic violation when the feds may not even come and get her for removal proceedings. Let's pass laws that make sense and which do not demonize local police. Local police will do their job and arrest anyone whether legal or illegal when the law is violated. Let's let them do their job. E-verify and linking it to business licensing will do far more good at a much lower cost.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 5:56 a.m.

    yes, this is a great idea, lets pass a law that all police officers must enforce every law.
    everyone who ever speeds, litters, or breaks the law in anyway should be arrested and/or ticketed by the police.
    We of course will also need to double our states police force.
    Also will need to build more jails to hold everyone who has broken the law.
    Why stop with the police? lets pass a law removing judical disgression as well.
    Anyone who break the law with be sentaced to whatever the penality calls for.
    And the only way it will be meaningfull is if people are not released early.
    So next time you are pulled over and given a ticket. Remember the Utah state legislator wants the police to enforce each law in this state without exception.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 27, 2012 5:33 a.m.

    I'm against removing the 3 or 10 year penalty for coming here illegally, or overstaying a visa. It's one of the few methods we have left to discourage those here on work visas from staying. If caught, they are deported and not able to come back for 10 years.

    I'm against any form of amnesty or guest worker until we get our illegal immigration under control. Not just at the border, but in our cities and towns if they overstay visas or get past the border. In 1986 it was a trickle, in the last 25 years it's been a stream, the next wave will be a flood. Illegal immigration may be slowing from Mexico (I don't believe it) but there are others out there.

    I don't see how some of our leaders, business and churches could be so cruel to their fellow American, as they have been by encouraging this mess. Greed, nothing but greed.

    Jan. 27, 2012 1:11 a.m.

    I would like to see the three guest worker bills from last year killed. All three will not get federal approval, and will end up in court. Taking jobs away from citizens and giving them to foreign citizens should never be tolerated in this country.

    We already know that the Supreme court has ruled that states can pull business licenses, and approves E-Verify. That's the direction we need to go in. But Utah is so business friendly, they will never pass it, and Governor Herbert knows it.

    As far as enforcing immigration laws stopping illegal aliens from talking to police, that's the same excuse used by the LA police back in the 90's. I think Burbanks attitude makes a lot more people leery of him and police. You really don't know who to trust anymore with our officials ignoring laws, including identity theft. We have paid to high of a price over legal immigration.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 27, 2012 12:14 a.m.

    I support this bill HB300 because of the provisions that give Victims of Identity theft the means to address their situation. No longer will they have to wait for a possible conviction of ID theft, they can be proactive in going after those people who are complicit with the ID theft.
    Since Utah Workforce Services has brought out that 50,000 Utah children are victims, their parents can now protect them.

    Employers would have safe harbor from complicity with ID theft, Human Trafficking and Migrant Smuggling by signing up for the IMAGE program.

    Since over 40% of illegal aliens are from Visa overstays and bureaucratic blunders this bill would give them the time and means to correct their situation.

  • Zionide SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    Pharmacist and Say No:
    The examples you cite involve laws on the books in the local municipalities. We have local drug laws, burglary laws, etc. so local law enforcement enforces them, sometimes with the assistance of state or federal law enforcement when the offenses can be prosecuted in multiple jurisdictions or at multiple levels of government.
    We do not (currently) have local immigration laws so involving local law enforcement in issues that are purely immigration is extraneous work that takes away from statutorily defined duties.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Jan. 26, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    Herrod's and Sandstrom's bills are Trojan horses, they both claim to be compassionate, but in fact when you read the details their laws put the boot of the gov't's authority on the necks of a bunch of poor refugees. This is far from compassionate, it's not my country's way, Utahns should consider this kind of keystone kops bill an embarrassment. I'm with Chief Burbank's policy to opt out (legally) of that kind of enforcement.
    What we need to make for our friends from south of the border is a practical path to legal immigration, not the bureaucratic blockage we have now, else we're gonna continue the present illegal migration of poor refugees into a relatively opulent economy. It's really simple. But many posters above along with those 2 politicians are not that smart to see reality.
    Bienvenidos, amigos!

  • pharmacist South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 6:44 p.m.

    To Zionide, I see local law enforcement backing up the DEA and FDA. Every time we have a drug bust, its locals inforcing Fed. laws. On the same topic, the State of Utah, California and Oregon, that I know of, have all over ridden the Feds and tighten the prescription drug distribution. Why is the this legal, when we can not touch illegal immagration.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Clinton, according to a 2009 Gallup poll there are 165 million people around the world who would rather live here. Pew reported that 36 million Mexicans would prefer to live here.
    Are you sure you want open borders?

    Jan. 26, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    Clinton King
    My mind cannot even fathom the total mess our country would be in if we followed through with what you said. WOW, talk about no sense.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    Clinton King.....You must have been reading the literature that LaRaza puts out. That is what they want. No rules to follow. Open borders. Social programs for everyone and the value of citizenship drops to nothing.

    The American 'melting pot' becomes a multicultural country of third-world status.

  • Clinton King (Ephraim) Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    The solution to the illegal immigrant problem is for the government to repeal stupid laws that restrict the natural flow of human populations in response to socioeconomic conditions. It is time to eliminate all limitations or restrictions on immigration into our country.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    We have people who have overstayed Visa's in my neighborhood also. It is time they go home instead of having more children and abusing the system. It is time that the citizens are protected and the special interest groups that Burbanks panders too need to be fined and fined heavy. All police officers are hired and paid by the citizens to protect us and enforce our laws. Burbank is one who needs to go.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    Zionide, you'd best check your statement. Local cops work with the feds on bank robberies, gun violations, terrorist threats, fed warrants...the list goes on.
    The whole idea of Homeland Security was to coordinate the various federal agencies with local agencies and information.
    Your problem is that you look to Burbank as a model, but he's proven with immigration and the Occupy movement that he has two sets of rules depending on your political bent. It's about time the state called him on it. Becker won't.

  • On the other hand Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    Ugh. The Republican mob is at it again. Never mind that a majority of Utahns supported HB116; it isn't in harmony with the political ideology of the state's ruling elite, and therefore must be replaced with a draconian law masquerading as a "compassionate" approach to the immigration problem. Thanks, Rep. Herrod.

  • Zionide SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    Local police don't enforce the regulations and/or laws of other federal agencies like the USDA, FDA, BIA, and so on. So why should the enforce the regulations of ICE?

    Kudos to Chief Burbank for spending manpower and taxpayer dollars on enforcing the laws his force is actually, according to statute, legally responsible for: the laws, ordinances, and regulations defined by the municipality or local government they serve.

    Until SLC has a specific immigration law in place, SLC police officers have no place enforcing a federal immigration law---that's what federal agents are for.

  • windchimes saltlake city, utah
    Jan. 26, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    And so on
    look around we have our
    Mexican Ancestors then/here/now

    Get real america welcomes many people in many colors

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    It would sure save the taxpayers alot of money if the legislature didn't have to write bills to get Burbank and others to do the job they are already paid to do! I think the State of Utah should send Becker and SLC a bill for the waste of taxpayer money being spent to clean up the mess's they create for the state. The OWS mess in Pioneer park supported by Burbank was one such fiasco that cost one protestor his life.....and now he refuses to enforce the law of detaining illegals? How many Americans will have to die before these guys take notice. What is it about the word illegal that Burbank and Becker don't get?.....Fire these fools, they are breaking the bank!

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    I'm still waiting for Chief Burbank's ideas to eradicate illegal immigration.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    Most of those with expired Visas that I know, have worked. One I know married a citizen, so now has earned their citizenship. The extended family is next to receive citizenship. Until then if this law goes into effect, they will have to leave to renew a visa. Possibly this would cause families to leave on their own rather than pay back what they have received here in America. They have had a nice lifestyle here with lots of amenities thanks to the generosity of charities/church and other citizen family members. They feel all of this is owed to them. Paying America back? I doubt it! I think they would leave.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 26, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    The "Burbank rule" part of this legislation is long overdue.

    S.L. city and W.V. city in particular, don't seem to mind that they act as "magnets" for illegal immigrants. Even though the illegal trespassers may live in those cities, the jobs the illegal immigrants take are all along the wasatch front, and beyond.

    Its unfortunate that the Utah legislature is forced to compel officers who are sworn to uphold Utahs laws to actually enforce laws they don't agree with.

    But thats apparentally whats necessary!

    Legislators: PLEASE pass meaningful immigration enforcement measures.