Utah highway crosses removed to be refurbished and placed on private land

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  • Let's be real Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    This is just a match to see who can do you know what the furthest. My rights start where yours start. My dad had a saying on our fridge for years that said "the right to swing my fist stops where your face begins." That said, my rights are being trampled on just like the atheists are by having the sign of a cross which has been around for thousands of years before Christ was even born. Check you history. So, my rights say that I have a right to say and believe that the UHP has the right to put that sign up honoring a fallen trooper. I am just as right as any other person is right. We have a court system that is now based on what the flavor of the day is. If most of them are liberal then they vote that way. If they are conservative then they vote that way. The law seems to be fading away when those clowns get together. Very frustrating seeing they are running our country.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    I have read all the comments and I have taken personal offences to one of them and that is the next time you need a law enforcement officer, because a crime was commited against I hope they take their sweet time resonping to you re: My 2Cents. They do their job to enforce the laws of the state and all you can show them is disrespect. I severed for over 28 years in the law enforement field. I have lost alot of fellow officers and when cross were put up out of respect and the lost of their life in the line of duty proceting the public. Show some respect for the fallen officer. I hope the crosses are back up soon my self.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    This is very good news, very glad they went along with the court's decision.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    I can't help but wonder what discussions the athiests were willing to have that the UHPA was not.

    I think a large memorial, shaped like the State of Utah, with a UHP Emblem in the middle of it would not be found unconstitutional, as an example.

    If the crosses are on private land, the case appears to be moot.

    Who exactly is going to pay the $388,000? Taxpayuers.....? Or the attorney's who rolled the dice on behalf of the State and lost....?

  • cymrul West Valley City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    If the issue is a cross being used, then why not come up with a more neutral shape for the memorial? Something that can't be looked at as a religious symbol.

  • Sutton Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    Wow what bunch of sore losers...

    Separation of church and state, that is America love it or leave it.

    Christian like to delude themselves into thinking that we only have "freedom of religion" without the understanding that for us to have freedom of religion we HAVE to have "Freedom from religion"...

    If I want to practice my religion I have to be free from yours.

    imagine if they desided to use the Islamic star and crescent...

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    Jan. 14, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    This is a great moment in Utah's and America's history and for people everywhere in the world that believe in freedom. Secular government is the ONLY way to ensure freedom for ALL.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    If you go to Court the Attorneys are the only winners. Once again proved here. I wish I could really expound on that but would not get past the moderator. I know one thing for sure I am sick of the minorities alway getting their way.

  • sisucas San Bernardino, CA
    Jan. 14, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Why don't we just put them back up? If those nuts from New Jersey want to drive all the way out here and take them down then we can simply put up new ones again. I'm sure the highway patrol won't be eager to take them down, and if asked to can simply reply "we didn't put them up." Why does only the left know how to utilize some effective civil disobedience now and then?

  • fed up Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 6:28 a.m.

    The constitution gave us freedom of religion. court rulings and atheists insist that we can only have "freedom from religion"

    I don't even view the cross honoring the dead having anything to do with religion but marking the spot and giving respect for the dead.

    Shame on the supreme court for not hearing this. It simply gives the bullies clout to usurp the rights of the people.

  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 6:10 a.m.

    What should be learned from this? Pay Attention? Mr. Barnard is watching? Don't be in a Traffic Accident? I guess it is that the Majority of the people are not important any Longer.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Jan. 14, 2012 4:32 a.m.

    You may not like the court decision, but it is difficult to see how the ruling is not in line with the constitution.

    It would appear that many fully support the constitution, except where they disagree with it.

    I hope that the private land issue is left alone. Seems like a great solution to this issue.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2012 4:02 a.m.

    I find it wrongful that the police are even doing what they are doing, police are not public hero's, they are public employees. Police are employees and should be treated like any other public employee with no fan fare or public extollation. Sure you want to remember your co-workers but there is no need for public humiliation of their memory.

    They volunteered to work as police with its inherent dangers, they weren't drafted or forced to join the Blue Army. Danger and risk is inherent in many jobs like any utility worker who has to climb power poles to repair or replace 250kva wires.

    Law enforcement is going over the line in its above the law mental attitude making them believe they are above the law. Police are criminals too and it is time to stop this martyring attitude the news media and the departments are putting themselves in. The public should not be allowing this kind of behavior from public servants, it is segregating them from their duties to who they serve.

    My hero is the person defending themselves from the Blue Army of oppression and disrespect for a constitutional government and justice system.

  • Bearone Monroe, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 11:25 p.m.

    @ Sorry Charlie

    Bernard IS the attorney! He and his cohorts will get $ 388,000 in attorney fees.
    The $ 1.00 damages will go to the group that limits OUR right to express ourselves.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    I hope the State of Utah has competent legal counsel.

    I hope that a reasonably intelligent lawyer advised Utah officials "if you choose a cross as a memorial, someone will sue, and you will lose."

    I imagine bull headed officials chose to ignore solid legal advice, mistakenly believing that "when they hear our case, the judges will overturn established case law."

    Otherwise, the State of Utah should seek to hire some new lawyers, preferably ones that graduated near the top of their class.

  • utahheathen30 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 11:15 p.m.

    Here is the other side in the Utah Cross Case. Watch this first before you make any judgements. Go to YouTube, type in the search bar idahoatheists. Look for Utah Cross Case - Brian Barnard Speaks To Salt Lake Valley Atheists Part 1 of 4.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    RE: Pagan

    It's only a memorial,

    no religion is being enforced on you.

    And more importantlay, Relion is certainly alloed in the poublic saquare, includig public expression.

    You may be offended, but that that is your choice,

    denying freedom of the public square to certain people or groups is wrong.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    Don't use people's death...

    to force religion on others.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 8:02 p.m.

    So barnard maybe getting one dollar in damages the rest go to attorney fees and court cost hardly a cash cow.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 7:26 p.m.

    This is dusgusting.

    Worse, "...According to the settlement agreement, the UHP and the UHPA must pay American Atheists $388,000 for attorneys fees, about $5,000 in court costs and $1 in damages."

    Mr. Bernard seems to get a pretty good paycheck with his "civil rights" lawsuit racket.

    I am glad that the memorials will be returned, but on private property, where the easily offended will not have grounds for further harassment and disrespect to our fallen officers.

  • dave31 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 7:23 p.m.

    Brian Bernard apparently has found a "cash cow" in suing to eliminate any vestiges of religion in Utah. I sincerely hope he can sleep well in following this course of lawyering. Someday, somehow he will receive his comeuppance.

    I can hardly wait for the time when he sues Salt Lake City for having "cross streets" under the theory that this also promotes religion.